Can we make it January 21, 2009, 12:05 p.m. NOW!?

I'm really sick of these liars.

Now, want to know how I really feel?

Week-kneed Bob Schieffer golfs with the Bush's. Nothing else needs to be said.

There are NO pundits other than Olberman and Madow who would be willing to call these liars on these points. The all powerful right wing media and their enablers will spin this re-write till it becomes the center piece of the Power Point presentation at the new Bushit Presidential Library. Bet on it. Americans are going to have to begin to follow European new to read the truth.

So sorry about the week/weak and new/news errors. Not enough coffee yet this fine morn...

Even stupid ol' me was able to read a Harper's article prior to the war which outlined the findings of the weapons inspectors and lamented that they could for 2 million a year provide enough inspectors to ensure that any weapons program would be detected. Then there was the issue of the Iraqi army that a Harper's observer who actually was in Iraq (! shock imagine that)and noted that the Iraqi troops had no Army boots , but were wearing Addidas and were so underfunded that they posed no threat to anyone.
A lie from the get go - Intelligence was non existance at the White house

Just read The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder if you want to know why Cheney are Bush are squirming like worms on a hook. They're done for. And thank goodness - it can't come fast enough.

Add Rep Jane Harmon (D) Cal to that list - She had the gaul to say on Crossfire that Saddam had kicked the inspectors out - Carville, to his credit, went ballistic. There were more than RepuGs on that train shoveling coal into the boiler.

Say you really want to buy a '67 Mustang that's sitting in a neighbor's yard. You ask the neighbor how much he wants for it and he says $250,000 and then points out that it doesn't have an engine in it. You look it up on CarFax and learn that the car doesn't have an engine in it. You ask your mechanic to come look it over. He says it's hardly worth the money and anyway it doesn't have an engine in it. Your kids walk over to the neighbor's yard to see it. They come home and say, "There's no engine, dad." Your wife says you can't afford the car and that she's heard there's no engine in it. You ask everyone at work whether you should buy it or not, and they all comment that it doesn't have an engine in it.

Then the cable guy comes to hook up your TV. You say to him, "see that Mustang? Do you think it has an engine in it?" And he says, "I dunno, I guess so."

So, you sell your house and car and every possession you have to buy the car. You call your wife a whore and kick her out of the house. You fire everyone at work who said the car didn't have an engine. And you make the cable guy your new personal mechanic.

Then you get into the car, turn the key, and the engine doesn't start. Because there isn't one. You decide to buy a new engine for it, to the tune of a trillion dollars and pay for it with money you've borrowed from everyone else in town. Oh...and 4,000 people die.

Can you really blame the situation on a failure in intelligence?

Re; chrenson's Mustang-

But Cheney & Bush can go Vroom-Vroom sitting in the front seats. Pretending. It's not just for kids.

There's so much evidence of suppressed and denied intelligence it isn't funny. There were the high level Iraqi defectors that the CIA learned about and shared with the administration like Sabri and Habbush.

And there were the high level Iraqi scientists and their families.

On the side of the evidence that the administration suppressed intelligence, there's the behavior of the OVP and their neocon bureaucratic partners during the runup to the war, and the peculiar, panicked behavior of the OVP when Wilson went public in his op-ed.

Of course the press avoided all this WMD backstory like the plague during the Libby trial.

Was anybody really expecting Bush, Cheney, etc. to admit anything? Get real people. They will go to their graves admitting nothing. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

Not to belabor the point but the whinning coming from this site about how Bush, Cheney, etc never admitting fault is so childish. Everyone knows they will never do it so why whine about it. If one really wants to get some satisfaction then press our political representatives for prosecutions. That is the only way we will ever get those responsible to pay for what they have done.

Dick Cheney would not admit to lying even under the waterboarding he claims to view with such fatherly fondness. Moreover, the best you'll ever get out of him on the subject of being wrong is an acknowledgment of general failings in the overall area - "Oh, I know I'm not always right", or something like that.

This has to reflect badly on the country, I'm afraid, because it has a general reputation for honesty and forthrightness. That the leaders can not only lie to initiate a desired set of circumstances, but that the electorate will persist in believing (or pretending to believe) the nonsense long after pretty much nobody else does - then when it's proven wrong the wrongdoers can simply let on they were misled, makes it appear the country is either complicit or populated by the dull-witted and easily fooled.

Cheney and The Turnip are both evidently going to keep up with that "everybody in the world thought he had WMD" in an effort to broaden the blame to an unverifiable group. There probably were a few people who preferred to err on the side of caution and allow it might be true, but the general intel community were not the Keystone Kops Cheney now makes out. This was a crime from more or less every angle, but I doubt it'll ever be formally punished. Instead, the reputation of the country will suffer, and you'll all bear the blame.

We know they'll lie. The trick is to get someone with some moral fiber and intelligence to call them on it when they have them there at the interview. Just like when that one interviewer called Bushit on the fact that al Qiada was not in Iraq when he went in. His answer? "So what!?!"

We'll get such "honest" answers when the right questions are asked of them. After a fashion we'll stop seeing them in interviews because their cases are so full of holes. Just get these creeps to ask the right questions, and follow-up questions. I'd love for Cheney to be asked about the Inspector's findings with the follow-up as to why they didn't cough-up the $2M to find the truth. Even Darth Cheney would be squirming to that series of questions...

Another thing about the CBS interview that angered me was when Cheney said the administration was completely exonerated by the Robb-Silberman report. The truth is that the report specifically said that investigating the administration was not part of their assignment.

Cheney is a pig without lipstick.

Nixon's looking like a saint these days.

Whateva... Didn't Cheney admit last month we were going in regardless. His point was they might have made them at some point in the future if they didn't already have them.

They were going in and the WMD intelligence was strictly for popularity so arguing about it is a waste of time.

Wow! This coming from the "hands-on kind of guy" who spent hours hanging around the water cooler at Langley for the latest intelligence updates. (Does The Dick now wish he had those hours back?)

This, the same 'hands-off kind of guy' at Halliburton as CEO who didn't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin' regarding the dummy off-shore subsidiary set up to do biz with Iran and Iraq in violation of US Law.

He's so vast, he's a contradiction.

And the Librul press has nuthin to add, subtract, multiply or square root to any of that except that, "the surge is now working", which, apparently, is the magical incantation that changes the odor and molecular composition of the entire shitpile they helped to heap.

"Another thing about the CBS interview that angered me was when Cheney said the administration was completely exonerated by the Robb-Silberman report. The truth is that the report specifically said that investigating the administration was not part of their assignment."

Same thing happened over here in Britain. There's been, I think, three separate inquiries into specific parts of the WMD fiasco. None of them have been allowed to look into the Government's role in rewriting the intelligence to match the tone set by Washington, and yet that hasn't stopped the Government from claiming that they've been found innocent of all charges so everyone should just STFU.

crenson@9.35a - that was a great post.

Wasn't Cheney, even after it was obvious there weren't WMD, sending GPS points to those searching for them? Because "he knew they were there"?

Re; chrenson's Mustang-

But Cheney & Bush can go Vroom-Vroom sitting in the front seats. Pretending. It's not just for kids.

The blame can't fall squarely on Bush and Cheney. We elect our officials. They are a product of the times. The truth of the matter is that there are plenty of Americans, and there will always be plenty of Americans that believe in the Cold War America, the Imperial America. Neo-cons may have taken a hit this election cycle, but this vision of America is part of culture and who we are as a whole. You may not like it, but you can't deny it. We will need many cycles without neo-cons/war hawks in order to truly move away from this part of American persona. I'm sure they won't go down easy, since they are the fighters and type A personalities.

Steve's point is right on the money, that there are quite a few people that backed Bush & Co, and they would have to admit to being wrong in order to put the past decade to rest and admission of fallibility is not something Man is good at.

Mick: The blame can't fall squarely on Bush and Cheney. We elect our officials.

True enough. And Bush and Cheney were elected by a base [and then some] that has proven itself more than willing to ignore reality in order to maintain a delusional worldview. It's the authoritarian modus operendi.