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January 11, 2009
By: Hilzoy

"I Think Media Should Be Abolished From, Uh, You Know, Reporting."

Dear God:

"I'll be honest with you. I don't think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what's happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it's asinine. You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you'd go to the theater and you'd see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for 'em. Now everyone's got an opinion and wants to downer, ah, down soldiers. You know, American soldiers or Israeli soldiers.

I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting. You know, war is hell. And if you're gonna sit there and say, "Well look at this atrocity," well you don't know the whole story behind it half the time, so I think the media should have no business in it."

Actually, scratch my appeal to the deity. If God existed and were either benevolent or just, Joe the Plumber's fifteen minutes of fame would have been over about five minutes before they started.

Hilzoy 10:32 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (41)

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That's the next president of FOX "News" you're dissing there, Hilzoy.

Posted by: JL on January 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM | PERMALINK

Just proves God's a comedian.

Posted by: Bat of Moon on January 11, 2009 at 11:03 PM | PERMALINK

isn't Joe the Plumber reporting from a war zone? Maybe he doesn't consider himself a journalist--which, actually, has a certain logic to it. joe supports war propaganda, but not real reporting, which is asinine. thus he must be working in the Gaza strip as a self-admitted propagandist. I wonder what Ed Murrow would say to this clown.

Posted by: raft on January 11, 2009 at 11:03 PM | PERMALINK

Darwin had a thing or two to say about the Joe the Plumber-species. It is one of those life forms which goes blindly into situations for which it is ill-prepared. Randomly, he may succeed in not obliterating himself or offspring for a time.

Posted by: Sparko on January 11, 2009 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

God knows we could use a laugh.

Joe the Plunger as the GOP's poster child is an answer to a prayer. I'm already looking forward to the moment when he accuses the soldier of engaging in gotcha journalism by asking if he had any questions.

Posted by: The Answer WAS Orange on January 11, 2009 at 11:11 PM | PERMALINK

Ahhh, were it not for the sinfulness of man..

Posted by: Expat Teacher on January 11, 2009 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

A new definition of chutzpah seems to be playing out with these new Republican icons. Palin is angry as an ol' grizzly because the press noticed her pregnant daughter, whom she dragged all over the country and constantly put into the spotlight.

And Joe the Dipstick wants reporters to stop reporting - I guess ...right after they cover every pearl of wisdom that comes out of his mouth.

Thank Jesus these people lost. Joe would probably be the "Common Man" Czar.

Posted by: Miss Otis on January 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

I think I know how to solve the problem of Mr. Wurzelbacher and his ilk. Send him to flight school and let him fly for Neocon Airlines, which will be staffed and piloted exclusively by creationists and other science phobes.

If their flight schools are equal to their grasp of history, logic, and science, then the problem should be self solving. But if that doesn't work, just tell them that gravity is a liberal myth and take them to the nearest high place.

Posted by: Goose on January 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

just another psychopath.

Posted by: albertchampion on January 12, 2009 at 12:53 AM | PERMALINK

...when you'd go to the theater and you'd see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for 'em.

an inarticulate psychopath at that.

Posted by: jcricket on January 12, 2009 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

Sheesh. I thought that was a quote from Sarah Palin until I read the last line. Hey! Maybe the Repubs should run a Sarh Palin/Joe the Plumber ticket in 2012!

Posted by: Wonkie on January 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM | PERMALINK

It seems that Joe has forgotten the First Amendment and the Freedom of the Press thingy.

Posted by: Bonnie on January 12, 2009 at 1:25 AM | PERMALINK

If God existed and were either benevolent or just, Israel's atrocities in Gaza would have been over 15 minutes before they started.

Posted by: rbe1 on January 12, 2009 at 1:27 AM | PERMALINK

Too bad we'll never know what conversations took place between top Bush and Israeli officials as Joe the Plumber's request was processed.

Posted by: The OIracle on January 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM | PERMALINK

Joe the Not-Quite-a-Plumber (how's that plumber-business you were trying to buy doing for you, Joe?) is merely proving that inbreeding humans from Southeast Ohio have at some point migrated to Northwest Ohio.

Furthermore, Joe is just another traveling freak show; a hybrid of the old snake-oil peddler routine whereby the scam artist moseys from town to town in a one-horse cart then eventually evolved into the skip-around gang with their van full of overpriced vacuum cleaners.

Fortunately, a converter box and a digital antenna will provide an analog television with "free TV" signals that do not include FauxNoise---and the two items cost less than cable or satellite these days, in the long run. One could possibly argue that the soured economy is just the ticket fro dragging the low-information voter away from Joe and his "masters...."

Posted by: Steve W. on January 12, 2009 at 5:26 AM | PERMALINK





Posted by: Rabi on January 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM | PERMALINK

perhaps the plumber person could replace Joe Scarborogh

Posted by: Lee on January 12, 2009 at 7:08 AM | PERMALINK

Joe the plumber and Sarah the governor. Maybe there is a benevolent and just God. Certainly a god with a real sense of humor. What better collection of political humor could you ask for than to have those two in the daily news.

Posted by: Jerry Stephens on January 12, 2009 at 7:41 AM | PERMALINK

Yes is God benevolent and just ? I agree that a rational religion must base its tenets on an effort to understand His intentions from His works. I personally have concluded that God is seeking to create and contemplate the ultimate abyss of idiocy.

This leaves me with two concerns
1) once we reach that utter nadir of nonsense, will He see any purpose in our continued existence.
2) Don't we seem to be getting dangerously close to the edge ?

Posted by: Robert Waldmann on January 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM | PERMALINK

I'm with Rabi. The cavernous depths of ignorance on display are ... well, I just have no freakin' idea what to say. Just ... wow.

Posted by: DH Walker on January 12, 2009 at 7:55 AM | PERMALINK

just another psychopath.

...when you'd go to the theatre and you'd see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for 'em.

an inarticulate psychopath at that.

Psychopaths - a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.

are different from

Sociopaths - extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour and a lack of conscience.

Psychopaths are understood to be treatable
Sociopaths , not so much

Posted by: FRP on January 12, 2009 at 7:58 AM | PERMALINK

The press should stop reporting on Joe the Plumber's whereabouts and movements and atrocities and stuff.

Posted by: chrenson on January 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

So glad, Sam, er Joe, enjoyed "Feldzug im Polen" and "Kohlberg". So sad, his hero, Ernst Roehm was cut out of "Triumph of the Will".

Posted by: berttheclock on January 12, 2009 at 8:12 AM | PERMALINK

I know the sentiment. But let's not give into that thinking, if for no other reason than recognizing that the best thing is not to prevent Joe the Plumber from looking like a fool, but to help him look like as big a fool as we can honestly make him out to be.

Let's take on those points: America needs to know what its soldiers are doing in its name. Soldiers need to act with the restraint that is their inherent duty as representatives of our country, and as executors of our military strategy.

As a strategic matter, the enemy can use our atrocities to separate us from allies, actual and potential, and can make our attempts to quell volatile situations that much more difficult.

Joe is not being tough, he is being naive, if he thinks our soldier can win if we just cover for them perpetually. If somebody had put a quick end to that mess and disciplined all involved, it would have been a bump in the road. Instead, it became one of our pivotal failures in that war, alienating whole swaths of Iraqi citizens in one fell swoop. The truth is, these things come out eventually, and when they do, their impact is all the more sharp and brutal for the secrecy they were shrouded in.

Joe and other folks like him only see the media, and only blame them. They don't recognize that it is the ignorance and unaccountability that have put his party and his interests in the political doghouse, and that if his people had not gone so far and deceived so many, they would have maintained their political advantage for much longer.

But hey, if they want to be fools, it serves our cause all the better. Let's just make sure as many people agree as possible, so that when somebody like Joe the Plumber gets his message out, things only get worse for him and his side, the better they deliver their message.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty on January 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM | PERMALINK

I agree with Stephen Daugherty. In the early part of my working career I had to listen to people just like Joe, and the thing is they are profoundly ignorant and no matter what, they won't shut up. You want to say if you're so smart why don't you try it. Now, Joe, bless him, has accepted the challenge. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Posted by: Maineiac on January 12, 2009 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

Joe is dumb as a doorpost, and shows it at every opportunity. Should provide a lot of funnies, though it's actually tragic.

He's absolutely clueless - which also goes for the GOP these days.

Posted by: SteinL on January 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM | PERMALINK

Better the media stop reporting on Joe the Plumber.

Posted by: Joe the Slumdog Millionaire on January 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

He could also perform as a martial artist , Sofa style .

Posted by: FRP on January 12, 2009 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK

I wonder if anyone could convince "Joe" that he could be even BETTER than Fox by finding SOMETHING to side with Palestinians on just so he can prove he's balanced.

When he did, can you imagine the uproar by conservatives?

I don't know whether this guy is just dim, or a willing tool of the plutocratic overlords. If the former, it could be great fun. If the latter, even "Joe" would see through the ruse.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on January 12, 2009 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

A plumber who doesn't plumb becomes a reporter who doesn't report?

Not exactly man-bites-dog, now is it?!

Posted by: Jamey on January 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK

I think 'Joe the Plumber' should, you know, be abolished from, like, impersonating a war reporter.

Posted by: Varecia on January 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM | PERMALINK

samjoe the notta pluumber almost made a point. Sometimes, indeed, reporters break a story without knowing all the angles behind the story, the 'what' and 'where' but not the 'why.'

What's telling is his solution to this situation, which is not "do your job better and makes us better informed," but rather "stop, just stop.

The nitwit traveled halfway around the world to make neocons feel better about selectively sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "lalalala not listening" when it's convenient, and then becoming dogged pursuers of the truth when that is convenient (like, say, when a Dem president may have been caught in an affair after being investigated for something that had nothing to do with the affair that could never be verified no matter how many millions of taxpayer dollars were spent in an attempt to prove it, stuff like that).

I hope Samjoe the notta plumber NEVER goes away. He IS the face of the Republican party, and as he stumbles over his words in a pathetic attempt to justify the space he takes on this planet, so do they all.

Posted by: slappy magoo on January 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM | PERMALINK

Joe The [insert career du jour here] reminds me of Jeff Gannon.

Posted by: EvilPoet on January 12, 2009 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

The four basics every plumber must know:
(1)Hot on the left and cold on the right.
(2)The flow of feces is gravity driven and it will always seek a lower level. (it flows down hill)
(3) Don't bit your fingernails.
(4) Friday is payday.
Credit Joe with being able to take these core principles of the plumbing profession and turn them into a resume that qualified him to be a journalist. Not sure if this is a tribute to the quality of our plumbers or the quality of our journalists.

Posted by: sparky on January 12, 2009 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

Now, the right wants to run him as a US Rep from Ohio. Funny how, his bio in Wikipedia appears to begin with meeting Obama. His vast military record, when is nation needed him, must have been expunged. "And in swaddling clothes, he came from the womb, with a bullet head, and spake to Obama".

Posted by: berttheclock on January 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK



Posted by: doug on January 12, 2009 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

After years of wingnuts telling us they can do better and staged a media revolution, they found a video podcast channel and give us Joe the Plumber. Who's next, Spankee the Monkey reporting from Washington?

Posted by: tas on January 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

Indeed, God forbid that anyone without the proper indoctrination and certification should DARE to publish a video of himself. But he still caught your attention, yes? Nor is his message a new one:

I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. --General William Tecumseh Sherman

Tell the truth, avoid violation of operational security, and avoid jumping to conclusions. Do these things, and you won't need to worry about being shown up by a plumber.

Posted by: mwl on January 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK

yeah, y'know Joe, that Ernie Pyle sure was a hack and a traitor, wasn't he?

Posted by: TB on January 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

What I'm hoping for it that someday Joe the Plumber will become Joe the Mime - then he'll have to shut up.

Posted by: Ponto on January 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

Plumberisms starting to pile up already:

"I Think Media Should Be Abolished From, Uh, You Know, Reporting."

"What are the Israelis people supposed to do?"

Posted by: rahul on January 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM | PERMALINK



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