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January 31, 2009

'RESPECTING' THE OFFICE.... Former Bush White House chief of staff Andrew Card complained to right-wing talk-show host Michael Medved that President Obama is insufficiently respectful of the presidency. Apparently, one demonstrates respect for the presidency by their choice of attire:

"...I found that Ronald Reagan and both President Bushes treated the Oval Office with tremendous respect. They treated the Office of the Presidency with tremendous respect. And some of that respect was reflected in how they expected people to behave, how they expected them to dress when they walked into the symbol of freedom for the world, the Oval Office. And yes, I'm disappointed to see the casual, laissez faire, short sleeves, no shirt and tie, no jacket, kind of locker room experience that seems to be taking place in this White House and the Oval Office."

"Locker-room experience." Card wasn't kidding.

I think there are two general angles to this. The first is that Obama isn't especially concerned about the formality of one's clothing. He was photographed at his desk wearing a shirt and tie, and some of the political establishment gasped because he was seen sans jacket. (Obama, a Hawaii native, reportedly prefers a warm office. David Axelrod said, "You could grow orchids in there.") Suits are common on weekdays, but the president issued an informal edict for "business casual" on weekends. That, apparently, means slacks and a buttoned-down shirt.

Traditionalists may not approve of Obama's easy-going style, but we're a long way from a "laissez faire locker-room experience." A frat house it isn't.

The other thing to consider here is exactly how one "respects" the presidency. For Card and others who served with Bush, it's about choice of clothing. For those who serve with Obama, it's about honoring institutional limits and the rule of law.

Or, put another way, where exactly does a loyal Bushie get off talking about "respecting" the presidency? Did George W. Bush always wear a coat and tie? Sure. Good for him. But while he was wearing nice clothes and demanding that his staff do the same, he also oversaw a scandal-plagued White House that trashed constitutional norms and routinely ignored the laws that the president twice swore to faithfully execute.

One respects the office by honoring its place in a constitutional system, not by wearing a suit.

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"One respects the office by honoring it's place in a constitutional system, not be wearing a suit."

Well said.

Posted by: Aldogee on January 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Agreed, except that the apostrophe in "it's" should NOT be there!

Posted by: Grammar Fanatic on January 31, 2009 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

The Bush II adminstration always wore ties, which notably constricted the flow of oxygen to ther brains . . .

Posted by: rea on January 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

Call the wahhhhhhmbulance. Maybe if these idiots were as concerned about policy as they are about their dress, the country wouldn't be in the mess it's in.

Posted by: James G on January 31, 2009 at 10:21 AM | PERMALINK

its

Posted by: GrammarNazi on January 31, 2009 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

>"walked into the symbol of freedom for the world, the Oval Office"

Hmmm. I must be an oddball. I have never considered the oval office a 'symbol of freedom for the world', especially when considering some of the decisions made in that room.

RWA wackos.

Posted by: Buford on January 31, 2009 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

Remember when the right had a hissy over Barack not wearing a tie on the trail? Too similar to Iran's guy, they said.

They got nothin'.

Posted by: boc on January 31, 2009 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

Military historians have a simple predictive rule of thumb on winners and losers that is named after an incredibly pompous Russian Tsarist General who insisted on fancy dress uniforms (I can't remember his name.)

Basically it states that the side with the fanciest uniforms loses.

The rational is simple. The side that spends most of its time in pomp, appearance and ceremony does not spend its time on actually doing what it is supposed to.

Looking at the "successes" of the W Admin, I think the military historian who coined the rule has a point.

Posted by: Former Dan on January 31, 2009 at 10:25 AM | PERMALINK

Hypocritical since I have seen at least on picture during the Bush administration where someone wasn't wearing a jacket, and Bush didn't seem the least bit upset.

But of course to Republicans these days image is everything. Bush failed on policy but he looked "good" while doing it?

Posted by: Atlliberal on January 31, 2009 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

Wait for it. The thugs will also say Obama sits in the oval office half-naked to show his disrespect for businessmen.

Posted by: Michael7843853 on January 31, 2009 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

This is just the beginning. All those people who burrowed in or were hired by Monica Goodling et. al. will spend the next four years just living for this nonsense. Don't forget, their oath wasn't to the Constitution, and it didn't end with an election.

Posted by: Danp on January 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

when you read about asswipes like card saying crap like this, you just want to punch them in the nose and tell them "just be happy every single member of the bush administration isn't in jail for crimes against humanity and stfu in public for the rest of your life."

Posted by: howard on January 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

Button-downed minds turned the Oval Office into the Offal Office. A, very open mind, has returned the Oval Office to respect.

What, next, Card; No sitting on helmets in practice?

Posted by: berttheclock on January 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM | PERMALINK

The disastrous Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War occurred under the generalship of Lords Raglan and Cardigan, whose enduring name recognition rests on their taste in clothing (Raglan sleeves and Cardigan sweaters) rather than their military prowess.

However, I suspect the terminology for how we are going to remember George W Bush comes to us ready-made by the world of baseball, where one refers to incompetent players as Bush Leaguers.


Posted by: jhh on January 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM | PERMALINK

He meant respecting the physical office, with the physical action of wearing a jacket. These are very simple, literal-minded people, remember.

Posted by: ymr049c on January 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM | PERMALINK

iirc, cary grant had a line in the movie "father goose" about getting fed up with people where he worked caring more about what he had around his neck than what he had inside his head.

Posted by: mellowjohn on January 31, 2009 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Shirt sleeves trump fart jokes every time.

Posted by: rbe1 on January 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

Cue Harry Shearer's comment about Reagan having so much respect for the Oval Office that he never took off his jacket in it--Shearer, having seen Reagan's jackets, surmised that it was because he feared that if he took it off a jacket his aides would return to the back of the horse he got it from.

Posted by: Steve Paradis on January 31, 2009 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

how we are going to remember George W Bush comes to us ready-made by the world of baseball

I honestly do wonder whether people in the future will think "bush league" is a reference to GWB. Considering how the term is used (dirty, amateurish, low class), it makes more sense.

Posted by: Danp on January 31, 2009 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, absolutely pathetic and telling that they consider such superficialities to be lack of respect for the Presidency, but who cares about a rogue executive reign and its abuses.

Part of the right-fascist authoritarian mentality is anal-retentive obsession with neatness, purity, formality etc. Note that when you see neo-Nazis presenting programs they always have those ugly solid brown or black ties, etc? (Heh, no I'm not a regular attendee but imagery is out there ...)

Posted by: Neil B ◙ on January 31, 2009 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK

John Gotti, "the Dapper Don," always wore nice suits too. Gandhi? Not so much.

Posted by: gradysu on January 31, 2009 at 10:48 AM | PERMALINK

All Andy Card can remember, and probably noticed, after eight years working in the whorehouse, is how good the piano player was.

There's 'missing the point' and there's Missing The Point. The latter is almost an art form.

Posted by: Davis X. Machina on January 31, 2009 at 10:51 AM | PERMALINK

I remember the comment that unlike Clinton, Bush respected the dignity of the office. After these inane comments about Obama, now we know that if you wear a suit and don't have sex outside of marriage, you respect the office. Respecting the Constitution must be immaterial.

Posted by: jen f on January 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

While I agree with what has been written above, what Card said really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's just not a serious remark about a serious issue.

Posted by: Varecia on January 31, 2009 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

andy card is the last fucking person to opine on what constitutes 'respect'...:

"Go get me Andy Card," Bush said to one of the Secret Service agents. Card, the designee as chief of staff, entered from an adjoining room . . . Bush looked impatiently at Card, hard-eyed. "You're the chief of staff. You think you're up to getting us some cheeseburgers?"

Card nodded. No one laughed. He all but raced out of the room.


and let's not forget that son of a bitch was the companion to abu gonzalez for the hospital bedside visit to john ashcroft in the bush administration's ongoing efforts to dismantle the constitution of the united states.

andy card needs to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: linda on January 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card: "Well Ok, we f*cked up everything while we occupied the White House. But surely, the country will appreciate that we did so in coat and ties."

Is there truly no one within Republican leadership circles who could tell Mr Card and his former Bush II White House cohorts to shut up and lie low for a bit while the adults clean up after them?

Most people learn sometime in their adolescence that it is really not that good an idea to start mouthing off right after their parents are informed about an expensive 'youthful indiscretion' their kids have comitted and they are going to be held responsible for.

Apparently, Mr Card never grew up. Of course, that explains a lot of what went on in the White House while he was there.

Posted by: SRW1 on January 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

Card forgot to mention another jacket-and-tie-obsessed president, Richard M. Nixon. So what if he subverted justice and disgraced himself? The man was always suited up nicely.

I've said it before, but stuff like this reminds me of the wingnuts who come on here and chastise us for dropping F bombs while they brush off the slaughter of thousands in illegal wars. The Republican love of authority and hierarchy--and of very visible symbols denoting patriotism, freedom and respect that replace actual patriotism, freedom and respect--manifests itself in some pretty comical ways.

Posted by: shortstop on January 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

The fact that we're talking about this signifies that the import of a lawless administration has been completely lost, even amongst the cognesceti.

We're adrift. Again.

Posted by: ethan salto on January 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM | PERMALINK

While I agree with what has been written above, what Card said really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's just not a serious remark about a serious issue.

Maybe not, but remarks like this, McCain's failure to remember how many houses he has, Bush's biggest fear being bolloxing up the first pitch, etc., are succinct and quite easily grasped "they don't get it" moments.

We mock this kind of thing on blogs because we're political addicts and that's what we do, but the average voter hears this stuff and cannot believe this is what the Bush people have to say for themselves after the last eight years. So I encourage Card and his buds to keep publicly worrying about Obama's shirtsleeves while the rest of the country concentrates on holding on to its jobs, homes and healthcare. The contrast couldn't be more obvious.

Posted by: shortstop on January 31, 2009 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK

May be they should put a replica of Clinton linga as the centerpiece of a shrine in the oval office so that everyone who enters it knows that the place is for worship.

Posted by: gregor on January 31, 2009 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

All of these comments miss the point, which is that Obama's choice of dress does in fact reflect respect for office—as a place where the people's representative in chief gets down to work on the people's behalf. What says this better than no jacket, sleeves rolled up? The man is working hard for the common man. Of course the guys in the permasuits don't like it. That's because they rely on others to do the real work—others who are undoubtedly doing so sans jacket, sleeves rolled up...

Posted by: Adam on January 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

adam, you remind me that as a grade schooler during the kennedy administration, the visual that has always remained with me is the number of people with their jackets off and sleeves rolled up you would see pictures of (and later, bobby kennedy was the same way).

generally speaking, i work with my jacket off and my sleeves rolled up, and i'm sure those early images helped influence my choice.

Posted by: howard on January 31, 2009 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

For people that were such strict and fierce adherents to rules such as the White House dress code, it's amazing that so many other rules, like the ones in the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Federal Code, were so meaningless.

It's amazing how important the visuals are to the right wingers. Flags, lapel pins and jackets rule their world, while intellectual concepts like rule of law, justice, honesty and fairness are inconceivable.

Posted by: petorado on January 31, 2009 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

What about those pictures where Bush has his shoes up on the desk in the Oval Office? Or is it just about attire, not unprofessional behavior?

Posted by: JohnC on January 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

I'll concede the suit. It's the loss of powdered wigs that drives me round the bend.

Posted by: Chopin on January 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

I wasn't going to comment until I remembered the recent scene from CSI. It was the new guy's (Lawrence Fishburne) first day, and he's getting ready to go out in the field. He's wearing a tie, and Catherine says "You're wearfing a tie to a crime scene?" -- and it's obviously a very expensive tie. I don't remember his answer but she just smies and says nothing.

Of course the scene is a mess, Fishburne leans over the scene, the tie flaps, and the next thing he has to cut off half of it because it had soaked up some of the mess and is now evidence.

The lesson is "Don't wear a tie to a crime scene" -- and the Oval Office certainly qualifies.

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on January 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

You quote Andrew Card: "...I found that Ronald Reagan and both President Bushes treated the Oval Office...the Office of the Presidency with tremendous respect. And some of that respect was reflected in how they expected people...to dress..."

Uh, Andy, let's go to the text (hint -- this is found in the Constitution): "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the Unites States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Guess you Repub guys missed those parts about "faithfully execute" and "the Constitution," didn't you? Nothing in there about "dress"!

By the way, I wonder what Dick Cheney was wearing when he told a member of Congress (really, all of Congress, as it turned out) to "go f**k yourself"? But, now that I think about it, wasn't Dubya down at the "ranch" in shirt-sleeves when he ignored that CIA briefing paper entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States"? So maybe you're on to something, after all.

Posted by: CMcC on January 31, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Andy! You and your crew, top to bottom did a really crappy job. And you looked great doing it.

STFU!

Posted by: burro on January 31, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

I think this is a racial thing. Locker-room might call to mind black athletes.

Posted by: MNPundit on January 31, 2009 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Who was it again who had his formal presidential portrait done in rolled up shirtsleeves?

Posted by: impartial on January 31, 2009 at 12:07 PM | PERMALINK

Republican Withdrawal Syndrome strikes again: Yet another liberal-blog post about what a Republican talking head says to another Republican talking head.

News flash: The Republicans are no longer in power. Their talking points are about as germaine to the discussion today as those of the left wing of the House Democratic caucus were at the height of the Gingrich "revolution."

Difference is, pundits in the mid-'90s were aware of the lib-Dems' irrelevance. Pundits today still seem to think Republican cast-offs and nonentities warrant attention.

Posted by: allbetsareoff on January 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

"He meant respecting the physical office, with the physical action of wearing a jacket."

I seem to remember a picture of Bush respecting the physical office by relaxing with his physical feet up on the physical Oval Office desk.

Card is behaving like a sanctimonious lying sack of shit would behave. If the sack of shit was too stupid to realize that people remember things.

Posted by: R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means, Card. on January 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card, back in the fall of 2002, when the Iraq war propaganda was being ramped up, supposedly said something like, "You don't market a war in August". I opposed the war from the start and correctly predicted the broad outlines of its terrible results. If a war is truly necessary, there is no need to "market" it, viz. WWII post-Pearl Harbor. The sheer callousness of this remark was so appalling to me.

During Clinton's first inaugural ball, he spent a little time playing the sax with the band hired for the occasion. Jim Hoagland wrote a column a couple of days later lambasting Clinton for this action, claiming that it "disrespected" the presidency. My jaw dropped to the floor. How was this disrespectful?

In my working life (retired now and loving it), I often noticed that the more authoritarian the personality, the more devoted the person to manner of dress and appearance in general, with little attention paid to substantive issues having to do with job performance.

My guess is that Obama will continue to wear the flag pin for ceremonial occasions, and otherwise ignore people like Andrew Card.

Posted by: Wolfdaughter on January 31, 2009 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

And then Howard reminds me of the Kennedy Administration -- I am just older than he is, and was in the Ninth Grade when he was elected. (In fact, I was still an Eisenhower Republican and gave Nixon one of the two votes he got in my (Catholic) high school homeroom. Ironically, I had also been a Stevenson supporter and would have preferred him to either of them.)

I've long insisted the it was the "Kennedy style" that made much of the positive aspects of the Sixties possible. In retrospect, Eisenhower might have been much better than he appeared at the time, and was the only bearable Republican President since TR, but he was dull, stuffy, and anti-intellectual, and the tone of the country was pure "Pleasantville" -- the black and white portion. (I've told before than when, in 1958, a few businessmen started wearing very pastel solid color shirts -- instead of white -- to the office, this was such an innovation that either LIFE or LOOK devoted several pages to it.)

He played golf -- which only upper middle class older white men did at the time. He read westerns -- and, fifty years later, I've still never met anyone else who did. Watched them in movies or reruns of the classic tv shows, sure. But read them, no. And his speeches were dull and Bushian in his syntax.

And then along came the Kennedys. They had kids crawling around the office where Daddy was trying to work. They played touch football -- and even someone as athletically declined as I was could imagine catching a pass from Bobby and making a move that would leave Jack -- yes, President Jack -- flat on his ass as I ran for a touchdown. We listened to The First Family laughed at the jokes, and knew they wee laughing along with us. (I still use 'catch phrases' from the album like "I waive consecutive translation.")

The substance was different yes, and that was important. But the change in style, and the effect it had on us, might have been more important. I have always been at least half serious when I maintained that the most important thing the Kennedts did was throw Pablo Casals, fully clothed, into the swimming pool. Ike would have needed a briefing to know who Casals was, but the Kennedys were so comfortable with artists and intellectuals -- and they were with the Kennedys -- that they could 'horse around' with them, and for someone who, as a kid, considered himself as having 'an intellectual bent' this meant something.

And so much of that welcomed irreverence blossomed throughout the Sixties, with mostly positive results.

I don't know if Obama will have the same effect -- he's still a little 'buttoned up' so far -- but it will be wonderful if he does.

Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) on January 31, 2009 at 1:02 PM | PERMALINK

That's a definite elite observation! Focusing on the propriety of the clothes (read superficial) while ignoring what decisions that actually hurt the constitution and the country were made there, while everyone was dressed in the "respectful uniform".

Reminds me of the aristocracy and the peasants game. "Ye shall know me by my clothes". BS of course.

Posted by: Rain39 on January 31, 2009 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK

This is just as stupid as trying to make an issue of not wearing a flag lapel pin.

It just goes to show that the very same people who proved conservatives can't govern, are proving that their biggest priority is not saving America's economy. Their biggest priority is destroying a president whose goal is to save our economy.

Posted by: jcricket on January 31, 2009 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

What if your short sleeved shirt has flag epaulets? Would that be OK.

Just the the Little Idiot to get more PO'd about someone wearing khakis and a blazer on a weekend than being lied to (that is his defense, I guess) by his intelligence agencies and national security apparatus.

Aluminum tubes only being suitable for centrifuges, my a$$. Mobile weapons labs, it is to laugh.

He gave Tenet the frigging Presidential Medal of Freedom fer crissakes.

Posted by: Cal Gal on January 31, 2009 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

"Andrew Card, back in the fall of 2002, when the Iraq war propaganda was being ramped up, supposedly said something like, "You don't market a war in August"

I think that was Ari Fleischer, but point taken.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on January 31, 2009 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

And Bush was so classy.

I seem to remember a clip of him hocking a loogie on the White House grounds.

Posted by: palinoscopy on January 31, 2009 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Personally, I think he should pick up some shirts from Reyns and institute Aloha Friday; he might as well bring some Hawai'i customs to the place.

Posted by: Linkmeister on January 31, 2009 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a way Obama can show more respect for the Office of Presidency. This Kos diarist raises a very good challenge point about Obama not letting the TARP investigation run free. Maybe Obama's crew has an excuse ("PRA" but many say, looks flabby), maybe not, but they should have to come forth on this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/31/115227/493/236/691342

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Then why is the Obama administration blocking Neil Barofsky's (special inspector general for the TARP bailout funds) request to send out letters to banks about how they are using taxpayer funds? What is wrong with this picture?

Bailout Fund Letters Are Held Up - Information Request Runs Afoul of Paperwork Act.

The Obama administration is blocking the chief watchdog of the $700 billion federal bailout of the financial system from immediately sending banks, requests about how they are using taxpayer funds,...
"

Posted by: Neil B ☼ on January 31, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

There is something very basic which Junior grasped, you can't have an empty suit without a suit.

Posted by: rege on January 31, 2009 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

... or a lapel pin. Good to see the Republicans still fighting the culture war on all fronts. Our culture good, everyone else's, bad.

Posted by: justaguy2 on January 31, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Anyone who ever saw the White House "Barney" Christmas videos knows that Card is a lying sack of excrement. I believe the Barney videos were crimes against humanity and the least respectful thing I have ever seen a President endorse, assuming that President hadn't tortured, spied, and poisoned the planet every other day.

Posted by: Sparko on January 31, 2009 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

For anyone interested, I just awarded Obama with Nihilist of the Day at the American Nihilist blog because he loosened the rules of ettiquite in the Whitehouse, which will surely lead the terrorists to invade our country and destroy our freedom.

Remember, American Nihilist is the blog for liberal nihilists who hate stuff and want America to suffer humiliation and defeat. Don't miss it!

Posted by: Doctor Biobrain on January 31, 2009 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

This is some kind of coordinated smear effort - The Bush team is everywhere implying Obama already not showing proper respect of the position. From the New York Times Bush was sorespectful of the Oval Office and required attire that he yelled at Barlett for 15 minutes because he was not dressed right -

“I’ll never forget going to work on a Saturday morning, getting called down to the Oval Office because there was something he was mad about,” said Dan Bartlett, who was counselor to Mr. Bush. “I had on khakis and a buttoned-down shirt, and I had to stand by the door and get chewed out for about 15 minutes. He wouldn’t even let me cross the threshold.”

Chewing someone out for 15 minutes does not show respect it shows a small person, being petty. A quick but stern comment would have been much more respectful and dignified. In the same article it says Bush locked Powell out of a meeting because he was minutes late. Yeah that is respectful - more like a spoiled child then a professional.

We knew they would try to rewrite history - but having to use jackets and ties to make Bush look better actually makes Bush look worse.

Posted by: Kelly on January 31, 2009 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

We listened to The First Family laughed at the jokes, and knew they wee laughing along with us.

Yes and no. JFK laughed; Jackie despised Vaughn Meader.

Posted by: shortstop on January 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans in general, and certainly any member of the former administration have no business using the word respect for the next 50 years.

Posted by: TB on January 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

[...]how they expected them to dress when they walked into the symbol of freedom [...]

A *uniform* (which is all that a suit is) is considered a proper external expression of *freedom*??? The mind boggles. But, if they're so fond of uniforms... perhaps some orange ones, of the "jumpsuit" type could be found for them to celebrate their freedom in.

Vis Obama's liking for warm temperatures. I doubt it has much to do with his being from Hawaii; he hasn't lived there for years and has had time to get accustomed to colder weather (as I got used to the difference in the opposite direction -- between Poland and Virginia). I suspect it might have more to do with his being so skinny. Us "skinnies" tend to suffer more from cold than the better padded ones; we have fewer fat cells to burn and warm us up.

Posted by: exlibra on January 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Respect the office, don't make me laugh!

Bush is down in history as the $hithead that "broke" America, but it's OK because he looked nice? Well, I'd even dispute that too. There's no accounting for how somebody "looks" no matter what they wear.

These Bush lovers are a touchy bunch of has-been losers grasping at straws every chance they get. It's gotta be a tough and tiresome load trying to sell that sad sack of $hit Bush to a country that wished he never existed.

Posted by: Glen on January 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

I endorse what everyone's saying, and add this:

Are there many businesses around the country who demand coat-and-tie anymore? I work for a major accounting firm, and we've had casual dress for years now. I take the PATH into Wall Street, and don't see a whole lot of ties coming from there, either.

This is largely a generational thing. There was a time when such dress was de rigeur for professionals. But ever since Bill Gates took over the world in a sports-shirt, it's seemed alot less important. The only places I regularly see such attire anymore are in government and on the TV news.

Posted by: demtom on January 31, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

"Andrew Card, back in the fall of 2002, when the Iraq war propaganda was being ramped up, supposedly said something like, "You don't market a war in August"

I think that was Ari Fleischer, but point taken.

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Actually, it was Andy Card in August 2002 that said you do not start a marketing campaign in August. To put this in context, Card was a former General Motors exec; if you can remember back far enough, there was a time when all new model cars came out in September and October. New television series also begin then. Card was just stating the obvious, the new product marketing -- this time for a war -- would wait until the Fall. For this, Card also deserves a seat at the Hague with Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: bushworstpresidentever on January 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

Lame brain Card still can't spot the difference between style and substance.

Posted by: Jeany on January 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

Godwin time. To paraphrase the British Comedian Ben Elton. Hitler was smart, he'd get into a nightclub. Goebbels was smart. Goering immaculate. Himmler was very well dressed. Sorry Jesus, you're not coming in - NO SANDALS!

Disrespecting the office of the president is when you start making personal attacks about clothing rather than criticism about policy. Card can go Cheney himself.

Posted by: royalblue_tom on January 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK

Typical Bush thinking, and who would know better than Andy Card/ The Kool Aid lives. Remember the worst mistake was hanging that gosh darn sign "Mission Accomplished".... ooh that was beaut.... looks are everything.

Posted by: mkrrpc on January 31, 2009 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK

The side with the fanciest uniforms loses.
Named for Russian clotheshorse Vladimir Sukhlominov, general in gold braid.

The Sukhomlinov Effect describes a common pathology of armies. Particularly in peacetime, armies tend to concern themselves more with appearance and style than fighting skill, which cannot, after all, be demonstrated. Men who "look" like generals--tall, rugged, handsome guys with broad shoulders and splendid posture who wear the uniform well--are more likely to be promoted than those with a real talent for war, since the latter may not meet the peacetime criteria. Although lots of outstanding commanders have been short, fat and slovenly (Ulysses S. Grant and Curtis LeMay, for example) they had to wait for a war before they could prove themselves. There is no known way to pick the most able generals in peacetime. As a result, despite a few notable exceptions, the generals who command at the onset of a war are rarely still in charge by its conclusion.

Posted by: SteinL on January 31, 2009 at 6:32 PM | PERMALINK

This is something to write about? Seriously?

Posted by: Gwen on January 31, 2009 at 8:51 PM | PERMALINK

Its HIS house! He won the presidency! If he wants to sit in the oval office in his Sponge Bob boxershorts and his I Tappa Kegga T-shirt, then thats fine with me. And..... it should be fine with everyone else!

Posted by: Brett Brakel on January 31, 2009 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

"Guess you Repub guys missed those parts about "faithfully execute" and "the Constitution," didn't you? Nothing in there about "dress"!"

Execute the office is appropriate for the Bush admin. They did their best to kill the office.

Posted by: WBN on January 31, 2009 at 9:00 PM | PERMALINK

Two things:

1. It's hard to roll up your shirtsleeves and get down to serious work (like our current President) when you're wearing a jacket.

2. In all the photographs I've seen of Nazis, their uniforms were always immaculate and well-pressed and they were always wearing ties

Say Andy, wanna tell us again who your role models are?

Posted by: BMS in NC on January 31, 2009 at 9:01 PM | PERMALINK

and both Reagan and Bush the younger drove the country (in Bush the younger's case, the world) to the brink of bankruptcy.
is Andrew Card aware or just a drooling Republican idiot like the others?

Posted by: reuvain on January 31, 2009 at 9:02 PM | PERMALINK

Respecting the office is the topic? Perhaps all they thought they had to do was wear jackets?
Truly respecting the office would include:
-Not lying us into war and causing over 4,000 American deaths and tens of thousands of others.
-Not eviscerating the Justice Department and the Constitution.
-Not lying about climate change while aggressively continuing to damage the environment.
-Not having economic policies that left millions without jobs, pensions, homes, healthcare.
-Not eviscerating government agencies so they are incapable of performing the functions they are required to
-And much, much more.

Posted by: Alice on January 31, 2009 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

Why would anyone listen to anything Andrew Card said. He didn't have enough sense to call Bush out in the school hall to tell him America was being attacked. Instead Card goes in a room full of children and whispers in Bush ear.

Posted by: Gerry Trier on January 31, 2009 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

Were you maybe expecting to read that he "disrespected" the office by throwing chicken bones and watermelon rinds all over the south lawn?

Just how small ARE you guys? You really DO major in minors.

Posted by: ICU on January 31, 2009 at 9:06 PM | PERMALINK

The Obama guys are actually doing work. If you're working 14 hours a day, you take off your jacket. The Bushies would have no way of knowing that.

Posted by: michele on January 31, 2009 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

At least the Obama administration is not wearing the brown shirt uniform of the Bush administration while trampling our civil liberties.

Posted by: Joe G. on January 31, 2009 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

Respecting the office is the topic? Perhaps all they thought they had to do was wear jackets?
Truly respecting the office would include:
-Not lying us into war and causing over 4,000 American deaths and tens of thousands of others.
-Not eviscerating the Justice Department and the Constitution.
-Not lying about climate change while aggressively continuing to damage the environment.
-Not having economic policies that left millions without jobs, pensions, homes, healthcare.
-Not eviscerating government agencies so they are incapable of performing the functions they are required to
-And much, much more.

Posted by: Alice on January 31, 2009 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK

The problem with the Bush suits is that they were all "empty suits."

Posted by: Mark S. on January 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

Instead of your little vacuous minds being occupied with overblown stories of attire and casual decorum [I believe Mr. Card doesn't work there anymore so he's purely building on speculation...], you might want to focus on 2010.

Specifically, I got a theme for you:

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Get a new Rx...

Posted by: misfit on January 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK

Only in Bush world would a comment that stupid be made. Bush was and is a war criminal. Over 4000 of our finest died in that hell hole of Iraq. For what? So George could avenge an insult to his daddy. Andy Card should focus more on his licking the boots of a man that is a disgrace and a failure. He set out to be a better man and President than his father. George Bush turned out to be a fraud and a failure. He was simply not man enough or smart enough to be president. History will judge him and the likes of Andy Card as the worst administration in the history of this nation. Believe me they worked real hard for it. But hey at least they wore their suit coats in the oval office.

Posted by: Terry on January 31, 2009 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK

I wouldn't care if he wore his birthday suit. As long as he respects the constitution, and helps all of us suffering from the Bush "error".

Posted by: sunshyne.state on January 31, 2009 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK

Oh yeah, Andy Card, who tried to strong-arm a drugged Ashcroft into signing onto illegal wiretaps, talks about disrespecting the Presidency? Rich.

Posted by: JLee on January 31, 2009 at 9:24 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card must be confused about what it takes to be disrespectful of the White House and Office of the President of the United States. After the disgraceful acts of the Bush administration and the hundreds of thousands killed or maimed in a war that never should have been fought, corruption, torture, economic collapse, secretive meetings of the Cheney oil group, blackwater, etc. he has some nerve talking about how people dress.

Now I know the meaning of the saying "What a Card" because he IS a joke.

Posted by: TheAbidingDude on January 31, 2009 at 9:25 PM | PERMALINK

GWB and everybody at work had on a suit and tie when he said the Constitution was just a g--d--- piece of paper. What kind of respect was that?
He should have been Impeached since he took an oath to perserve, defend and protect and that piece of paper.

Posted by: Norma on January 31, 2009 at 9:26 PM | PERMALINK

I guess needlessly starting a war the ends in over 4,000 American men and women dying in Iraq is "respecting the office." Give me a break. No one disrespected the Presidency more then George W. Bush.

Posted by: jenpag on January 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK

Welcome to the 21st century.
Sounds like the stuffed shirts have been locked in the White House too long.

Posted by: Irishirl88 on January 31, 2009 at 9:28 PM | PERMALINK

My god these people are ANAL. It is not a church, it is an OFFICE.

Posted by: Daniel . on January 31, 2009 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK

"Let's get to work, roll up our sleeves and get to it". With Bush's record this never happened, he was always blaming someone else. Obama is a worker, Bush is an "empty suit". Andy Card "attended" a company I used to work for. I say attended because he never produced anything but hot air. No substance, was a "glad hander".

Posted by: Bill33614 on January 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM | PERMALINK

Leave it to the Republicans. Image counts, substance is fuzzy. If there was true honor and respect for the Presidency, Rove would not have been told to ignore subpoenas. True integrity in the Presidency means not hiding illegal and unethical activities.

Posted by: Brooke Remmert on January 31, 2009 at 9:34 PM | PERMALINK

this is such total fucking bullshit ... leave it to Card and the Bush apologists to substitute form over substance...

coat and tie required? Who gives a shit! I want competent governance and respect for the constitution and the rule of law.

Obviously, from 2001-2009, that was less important than wearing your fucking coat & tie in the oval office!

Posted by: fendertweed on January 31, 2009 at 9:37 PM | PERMALINK

Bush could wear a jacket at all times because he never worked up a sweat in eight years in the Oval Office.

Posted by: cynthia on January 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM | PERMALINK

Screw Card. We'll get Palin spread wide and yelping in the "O" room soon enough! We all know that there's a lot o' black cock in the Alaska moose's dreams .

Posted by: Juno on January 31, 2009 at 9:41 PM | PERMALINK

Bend on the desk Palin! This is going to hurt! lol White American women all dream about black dick. Lock up your daughters you white hicks! The black man needs some reparations. Yeah!

Posted by: Zoom on January 31, 2009 at 9:45 PM | PERMALINK

Keep in mind that Bush "restored honor and dignity to the White House" by not cheating on his wife. Soo that's another thing to give him kudos for, wearing a suit and keeping it in his pants. I guess he wasn't such a bad president after all.

Posted by: Chris on January 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

Screw Palin. It's that ho bitch daughter that she got that needs a good ass job. Some meth and the Palin's spread their legs wide.

Posted by: Drew on January 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

More proof that they were just a bunch of total idiots.

Posted by: Bob on January 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

Let me get this straight. Is he saying that Bush & Co wore jackets in the White House while planning torture sessions to honor the Presidency?

Posted by: Earl on January 31, 2009 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

Earth to Andy . . . get a life!

Posted by: TomT on January 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINK

Man, isn't it just like a republican type to obsess over weather a guy has on a tie on or not as opposed to weather he can walk and chew gum at the same time ?

I guess it's all in where you put your priorities. It appears that Mr. Card prefers style over substance.

Posted by: jim v. on January 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM | PERMALINK

Yes it is very important to dress well while you are trashing the constitution and destroying the economic wealth of the country.

Posted by: larry on January 31, 2009 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

OMG, I can't believe how this idiot from an administration that could manage nothing right and made all the wrong policy decisions would add insult to injury by stating that the successor is dressed wrong for the job. How shallow, yet I am not surprised in the least. I expected as much.

Posted by: Dale on January 31, 2009 at 9:55 PM | PERMALINK

It does not appear Grammarnazi live up to the appellaton

Posted by: Ed k on January 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM | PERMALINK

Who gives a f*** what Andy Card thinks?? His boss and staff were impeccably dressed as they shredded the Constitution, started two misbegotten wars and brought this country to the brink of economic destruction.

So pardon me if I prefer a president who is willing to take off his jacket, roll up his sleeves and get to work cleaning up the mess he's been left with.

Posted by: Suri on January 31, 2009 at 9:59 PM | PERMALINK

Let me see Mr.Card, what did your boss wear when he spent almost two years of his presidency at his "ranch" in Texas or at Camp David?

What was his attire during all those hours he spent in the middle of the day on his bike while the rest of us working stiffs were at our desks (sans coats and tie)?

Maybe Obama wants himself and his staff to be comfortable because they're actually planning to WORK for the country and solve real problems?

These people should slink off and keep their mouths shut before they're all thrown behind bars for all the damage they did to this country!

Posted by: Sue Baker on January 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM | PERMALINK

Obama as you know is from Hawaii...we do not wear suits here. Professionals go to work in nice Aloha shirts. Who needs to be all stiff and formal?

Posted by: Mike OConnor on January 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

Andy....

Suit and tie? How about tying some knickers around your own head...Cad!

President Obama isn't about appearance, he's the real deal! Now, go find Bush for the superficial stuff!

Posted by: Kristal on January 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM | PERMALINK

I guess they were so absorbed with appearance that's why they failed the country for 8 yrs.

What's wrong with a white, dry cleaned, long sleeved shirt with a tie? Who goes to work in a suit 24/7? Showing respect is part of wearing that tie and collar.

Posted by: Cindy on January 31, 2009 at 10:06 PM | PERMALINK

I don't care if he goes around in his underwear, just fix this mess.

Posted by: Mia on January 31, 2009 at 10:08 PM | PERMALINK

IMHO, I would rather respect for the Presidency be shown by the return to the Law of the Land, our Constitution. I'm sure President Obama has more important things to do (like clean up after Card's boss, The Shrub)than worry about GQ protocol.

Posted by: Greytdog on January 31, 2009 at 10:09 PM | PERMALINK

Bush treated the oval office whith tremendous
respect,and treated his fellows american
like s...

Posted by: michele stoerr on January 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM | PERMALINK

Please stop calling attention to the pathetic whines of the Bush Administration criminals who inhabited the White House for 8 years and with one criminal act after another, disgraced the office and the nation to an extent never before seen in U.S. presidential history.

Posted by: Bob C on January 31, 2009 at 10:15 PM | PERMALINK

Screw the Constitution to the wall, torture and kill people around the world. No problem, as long as you wear your damned suit coat.

Screw you, schmuck. I hope there's a special corner of hell reserved for you and your jacket-wearing asshole cronies.

Posted by: nomemata on January 31, 2009 at 10:17 PM | PERMALINK

Pastey face,Republicans cry and whine at every turn, Man up get over it you lost. If it wasnt for you good old boy "Bush" there wouldnt be a Black man in the White house today. Thats the only thing we can thank old GW for today.

Posted by: del19713 on January 31, 2009 at 10:19 PM | PERMALINK

Remember when Michael "Brownie" Brown's emails during Katrina were published? Mostly about the difficulites of maintaining fashion standards, finding good restaurants, and (when complimented on his TV appearance) bragging about shopping at Nordstrom's. Trickle up or trickle down, it's all a run in the hosiery.

Posted by: Anne the Panda on January 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

Fixated on dress codes.
To me the quote about "judged by the content of their character" applies to all aspects of appearance.

Posted by: Irmanator on January 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM | PERMALINK

Wow, reading about some of the details of Bush's White House rules of etiquette, I'd have to conclude he was a fucking cocksucker.

Posted by: Quinn on January 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM | PERMALINK

As Dave Barry once said:
"Democrats are the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow...set your car on fire. The Republicans would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the Country Club."

Posted by: journeydog on January 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM | PERMALINK

Excuse me, but F@#* Card. Why do these bastards think their opinion is worth a cent these days? New generation, baby, and this kind of hooty pretension ain't got no appeal. Deal with the Reagan babies, Card. And step back, man, we're busy cleaning up your mess.

Posted by: silva66 on January 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM | PERMALINK

How dumb. Are they really all that dumb?

One wouldn't even need an Oval Office to be a more honorable president than the one Card served. He could wear pjs and still be a more honorable president because he respects and upholds the Constitution.

Posted by: TJ on January 31, 2009 at 10:30 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Card
I will take a president that prefers not to wear a jacket but is intelligent, competent and respects the constitution to a nincompoop who wears a jacket and but fails at everything he does (sort of like your former boss)

any.. day.. of the the week

Posted by: steve on January 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM | PERMALINK

Card's issues with Obama living in the White House are no doubt a matter of complexion.

Posted by: labman57 on January 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM | PERMALINK

This is just another in an emerging pattern from the party of distraction and fear. It's not two weeks since Obama called for a bi-partisan spirit of cooperation and all we've seen, aside from Obama acting on his own call, is a seemingly coordinated display of roadblocking and trash talking from the Right. There is very little distance between Andy Card's remarks about Obama's "disrespect" and the massive Internet effort during the campaign to paint Obama as a secret Muslim. It's the Right's way of undermining a political opponent's character, of spreading fear and doubt about him/her. These folks prove themselves more despicable every day.

Posted by: WriteStuffNYC on January 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

They pulled this same crap with Clinton. Way before all the other stuff, Republicans moaned about The Clinton staffers supposedly being at meetings in jeans and t-shirts, and it was repeated uncritically in the press (like the later 'stole the W keys off the keyboards), despite the fact that none of it was true.

Make no mistake, this is part of an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the Obama presidency. (And those who apparently aren't old enough to remember this are invited to STFU about this being something insignificant that we shouldn't be bothering with.) This is how it begins. Republican presidents can't be criticized, or you're "disrespecting the office," but Democrats always have disrespected it themselves, so Republicans are free to attack them without being hypocrites.

Posted by: Redshift on January 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM | PERMALINK

Card is nothing now. He can talk racist trash all he wants. He is impotent.

Posted by: Anton on January 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM | PERMALINK

It was all so much dress-up for Bush. He seemed to think that all he'd need to do was look presidential for eight years. If he weren't wearing a suit and tie, he had to have the Brand on--the little presidential jacket, presidential polo shirt. I mean, the guy had socks--socks!--with the Presidential Seal on them. And maybe, he thought, if he were to dress up like a fighter pilot he'd be a fighter pilot. These people should just go away.

Posted by: paintbrush on January 31, 2009 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK

GrammarNazi, I hope you'll be okay if I misspell the common phrase "eff off, u azz".

Posted by: skisufswim on January 31, 2009 at 10:40 PM | PERMALINK

Here's a pic of Tenet standing next to Bush, in the Oval Office, not wearing a jacket.

http://www.americablog.com/2009/01/so-much-for-lie-that-bush-always.html

Posted by: ElBruce on January 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK

Really! What respect did you and your boss show for the office>

Posted by: Ron on January 31, 2009 at 10:51 PM | PERMALINK

In that picture, the guy on the right is Card.

Posted by: ElBruce on January 31, 2009 at 10:52 PM | PERMALINK

Well, if Bush and his cronies REALLY respected a place, they'd wear tuxedos! What bullshit.

Posted by: woodrich on January 31, 2009 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans challenge Votes when too many come from the same address like Military Bases, but they support the troops, and Nursing Homes well they only seek to rob the elderly's Mutual Funds and cut their hard earned Social Security.

Respect is earned !!

You can put lipstick on a Pig like Bush but he is still Daddys liitle pig!

Posted by: James Wilson on January 31, 2009 at 10:58 PM | PERMALINK

Obama may or may not respect the president's office, but one thing is certain, Bush did not respect the Office of President.

Posted by: mullarch on January 31, 2009 at 11:01 PM | PERMALINK

What a sad place Mr. Card has come to that this is what he has to say. Small minds say things like this. That he believes his years in the White House were ones of respect is a joke. It is the type of joke that citizens in America observe, but do not laugh and people around the world ignore. Our new President has brought respect back to the office of the presidency. He is a man of strong moral compass and one that speaks and the whole world listens. A large majority voted for this man and he hasn't let us down. Compare that to the shame that the Bush years have brought to our country and its citizens.

Mr. Card has nothing to do but play at this small time pettiness. Let him go and play. All of this is written into the great fabric of the internet and time and people like this make themselves into even greater fools and greater criminals.

Posted by: Lucy2008 on January 31, 2009 at 11:04 PM | PERMALINK

Bush also kept his cowboy boots on then stomped all over the Consitution.

Posted by: Sassy on January 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM | PERMALINK

I think the statistics of tie wearing in the US Of A is now at 10% of working men.
I do, by choice.. for effect, but I look good in a Hawaiian shirt as well

Posted by: ELJay on January 31, 2009 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

I remember seeing one video before he was president, picking his nose at a baseball game. this was not a superficial nose itch kind of thing, but a great big, mining the mother lode kind of nose pick. And then he examined it as if to ascertain whether or not it were a real hunk of treasure. The clip quit before we got to see what he ultimately did with his nasal extraction. I wonder if while wearing a suit coat he wiped lots of boogers under the great presidential desk and whether or not they cleaned under there before Obama moved in. If they discover them later on, future Republican presidents could just reach under there are feel them for inspiration when pondering which country to invade under false pretenses, or who's phone to tap without proper warrants.

Posted by: Joe on January 31, 2009 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if Obama had a special prosecutor look into the Bush administration as some want him to, would he wear his suit jacket in federal prison.

Posted by: deschl on January 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM | PERMALINK

Were there NO mental giants in the Bush White House? Methinks they were all mental Liliputians. One has to work really hard to make sure that the entire White House was packed with low grade morons.

Posted by: afgail on January 31, 2009 at 11:13 PM | PERMALINK

...and "the suits" ruined the world.

Posted by: Stop DU on January 31, 2009 at 11:14 PM | PERMALINK

I remember when bank tellers and teachers dressed to the nines every day, and even bums wore hats in public. Guess what? Times change, and now my bank teller wears flip-flops in the bank's supermarket store-front.

I don't care if Obama wears silk Underoos, as long as he takes governing our country seriously. By every indication, he certainly does. Good enough.

Posted by: oregonbird on January 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM | PERMALINK

Haha, What a joke!! Former Bush White House chief of staff is same like as Bush. What a suited person they were! Didn't find time to take care of the citizens as they were too busy with dress up.

Posted by: john on January 31, 2009 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

Andy Card hung his second cousin out to dry. She warned of 9/11. If they had listened to her. We would not have been bombed. Then she tried to stop the Iraq war. So how did they show their appreciation? Had her committed to a mental hospital and given Haldol until the administration's time was up. Then released without charges soviet style. Bet they were dressed nicely though.

Posted by: molly on January 31, 2009 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

Wow...Andy Card must be from Absurdistan.

Posted by: Chima on January 31, 2009 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK

We are happy now. No more bushes.........

Posted by: gentleman on January 31, 2009 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

What do you expect a lieing cheating arrogant sleaze to wear in the white house. I am talking about BHO the prez.The man and his wife have the class of a gutter rat

Posted by: Julie on January 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM | PERMALINK

What do you expect a disrespectful cheating arrogant sleaze to wear in the white house. I am talking about BHO the prez.The man and his wife have the class of a gutter rat

Posted by: Julie on January 31, 2009 at 11:31 PM | PERMALINK

"Class of a gutter rat"? That puts him 10 levels above Bush.

Andrew Card is oblivious to the fact that, in his boss's case, clothes did NOT make the man.

Posted by: old grandad on January 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM | PERMALINK

I don't have anything against people from Texas,
but,Bush cowboy boots wearing-azz was messing up the floor in the oval office.

Posted by: chicago on January 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINK

I don't give a crap if Obama shows up in Prada pumps, as long as he is an honest broker and tries his hardest to fix what those formal fucktards messed up.

I wonder how the families of the dead US soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis think Obama's shirt sleeves.

Andy Card, F off.

Posted by: Sara on January 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM | PERMALINK

Another fucking dipshit Bush brown noser. Respect is not lying to the American people you asshole!

Posted by: Rich Monk on January 31, 2009 at 11:37 PM | PERMALINK

You know what's disrespectful to the office of the presidency? Running up a record federal deficit and debt while giving tax cuts to rich cronies; allowing Wall Street to do whatever the hell it wanted in the absence of regulation, and then feigning ignorance about how it all could have happened; allowing a major U.S. city to drown under the weight of a hurricane ("heckuva job, Brownie"); and invading a country that wasn't the central front on the war on terrorism, at the cost of several billions of dollars and thousands of American lives. That's pretty disrespectful to the office of the presidency.

Andy Card needs to go somewhere. He should go back to work running car companies into the ground.

Posted by: Jon on January 31, 2009 at 11:39 PM | PERMALINK

We will never see a more disrespectful Presidency than Bush Jr.'s administration. From trashing the Constitution, to lying us into an illegal and immoral war in Iraq, to outing a CIA agent for spite, to torturing prisoners, George W. Bush gets the award. A nice suit cannot make up for the above. Give me an honest guy in shirtsleeves any day.

Posted by: Liza DiSavino on January 31, 2009 at 11:39 PM | PERMALINK

It is more to pity deserving sympathy than contempt. This was once a child of hope, talent and imagination and, for certain, ambition. It was easy to have courage, with promotions ahead, tailored suits and money in the bank. Little by little the hand is played and one becomes someone else; though not aspiring to sycophancy, it arrives. Without principle except for the purity of convention, the interchangeable footmen serve their time and their lives amount to sucking and mewing. There be dogs dying by the side of the road who have lived with more integrity and less to regret for being born.

Posted by: Dennis Szilak on January 31, 2009 at 11:42 PM | PERMALINK

As much damage as Andy Card has caused this country by doing his buddy's bidding, he should write a memoir. Call it, "Diary of a Washington Codependent." Donate the proceeds to charity. Michael Steele can write the forward.

Posted by: Rosslyn Metro on January 31, 2009 at 11:43 PM | PERMALINK

sore losers can run up their mouths all they want. they can continue to walk with the likes of rush limbaugh, they can appoint black, indian, asian and any other type of race,or even a woman to lead their disgusting party for show.....they will never ever get a vote from me.

god bless america and our dear president obama.

Posted by: kellis17 on January 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM | PERMALINK

No coat and tie in the Oval Office!! tsk, tsk!! but really, what can you expect from someone who doesn't even wear the flag on his lapel? :)

Posted by: propitiousmoment on January 31, 2009 at 11:51 PM | PERMALINK

It's an office for pete's sake, not an altar, and for me not the penultimate symbol of American freedom. I like the fact that it actually looks like someone is finally doing some work in there!

Posted by: Grainne on January 31, 2009 at 11:55 PM | PERMALINK

This idiot helped G.W. destroy this country and it's worldwide reputation with lawlessness and financial greed that has affected nations worldwide, and all he can think about is how President Obama dresses.

Too bad this level of indignancy and attention to detail-insignificant as it is was not present when G.W. was flushing the Constitution down the toilet and laughing while other human beings(albeit enemies) were being tortured.

The Repubs. are so ashamed of the last eight years and they're scared that Americans will not embrace their policies for a long time-and they should be. So, they will resort to any tactic no matter how minor to denegrate Democrats and rebuild their pathetic, greedy, incompetent image in the eyes of Americans and the world.

Right-wing intelligence and compassion my @$$.

Posted by: joan on January 31, 2009 at 11:55 PM | PERMALINK

They don't wear shirt/tie in the Israeli knesset either. Good for Obama. Finally, the White House will be a down to earth and comfortable meeting ground for the sharing of ideas.

Posted by: Dena Silver on January 31, 2009 at 11:56 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card is a complete ass.

Posted by: Nora O'Floinn on January 31, 2009 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK

Bush lied to the American people, killed over 4000.00 soldiers right in the White House. He was dressed everyday in a suit. Shameful. These people are idiots and proud of it. The Republicans are lost in time. Still talking tax cuts. Do they know anything else but "tax cuts?" For heavens sake, give me a break. I am so tired of hearing about tax cuts from the Republicans. They sound like robots, for the last 40 years.

Posted by: Stephanie in California on January 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM | PERMALINK

The lawmakers in Israel do not wear shirt/tie in the knesset, either. Good for our President! Finally, the White House will be a place of down to earth, comfortable problem-solving. We are so lucky to have this president.

Posted by: Dena Silver on January 31, 2009 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps if Mr. Card and others in the previous administration had taken their coats off and gotten down to work rather than being concerned about haberdashery, they might not have presided over what may be remembered as the worst presidential administration in U.S. history.

Posted by: Zanthopsis on January 31, 2009 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card needs to get a life. The White House is not Buckingham Palace. Perhaps Mr. Card
could more readily identify with the Imperial Presidency which Richard Nixon attempted to create. Remember, Mr. Card, the events of 1776 were designed to establish a democracy not a monarchy.

Posted by: J R in Dallas on January 31, 2009 at 11:59 PM | PERMALINK

The "Law of Military Plumage," also known as "the Sukhomlinov Effect," was reported by Bernard J. James and Roger Beaumont in 1971, and cited in Time Magazine the same year.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,909736,00.html

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2935407

Posted by: Steve on February 1, 2009 at 12:00 AM | PERMALINK

Oh my god. Grow up.

Posted by: Vulcan101 on February 1, 2009 at 12:02 AM | PERMALINK

There is an expression in Texas that fits Bush and his cronies to a T: "All hat, no cattle". They are, if nothing else, true to form to the bitter end.

Posted by: Kristin Tucker on February 1, 2009 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK

They, the Bush #1-ies and their leftover Reaganite pals, tried this one on Clinton when he first got in office too. You may not recall, but the media and the Washington establishment set fell for the story hook-line-sinker. They won't this time! Now that the Clinton presidency and economy can only be viewed with a nostalgic fondness as a time between two Bushian disasters.

Never again.

If Obama can get us back to half as healthy as pre-BushII, then I don't care if he and Rahm show up in BVDs and wifebeaters every day.

The right wing trash machine has a respect for THE seat of power because it is exactly that. The seat of power. They love power. We all know they have zero respect for the constitution. Nada. None. They show their disgusting priorities, their loves, and sick obsessions with their every utterance.

Posted by: bren90046 on February 1, 2009 at 12:09 AM | PERMALINK

In a fair world Andy Card's comments would be coming from a cage in a courtroom in the Haig.

But since this is reality we just have to listen to him complain bout who isnt using a coaster or wearing their coat all day.

Posted by: smapdi on February 1, 2009 at 12:10 AM | PERMALINK

Disrespect for the White House is failing to wear a suit jacket? It's no wonder these morons ran us into the ground.

Posted by: herointheend on February 1, 2009 at 12:14 AM | PERMALINK

As usual, it's all about appearances. Stagecraft. PR. The whole Rovian bag of tricks grew out of this attitude: you can do your worst, so long as you make it look good.

Posted by: gotgat54 on February 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM | PERMALINK

Spare me. The Silicon Valley computer industry somehow manages to generate billions in revenue every year from a bunch of scruffy nerds who don't wear suits, ties, jackets, or sometimes even socks. They don't get to work at 9am and leave at 5. Some of them aren't particularly socially ept, and are not fun folks to be around. (There are plenty of socially ept ones who are well groomed, well-spoken, and politic; don't get me wrong.)

It's what you produce, Mr. Card; not the french-cuff shirts and Armani jackets you wear while producing it. Try and move yourself up into the 21st Century.

Posted by: Douglas Moran on February 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM | PERMALINK


ONE MORE thing ...

The internet has made this old-timey attack nearly impossible to pull off! The Washington media and establishment whisper & cocktail chat circle of incestuous bile is ineffective in the extreme against the power of the people to kill a "people think ... blah blah ..." storyline such as this.

Thanks for being so behind the times, Rethuglicans and Andy! (You know, I used to be one. Now you know why you're a rump of a rump party. Because you're *sses!)

Posted by: bren90046 on February 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM | PERMALINK

Have we so soon forgotten the defining photograph of the Nixon years?

Nixon alone, walking down a foggy beach near the Western Whitehouse mumbling to himself while wearing his black suit and wingtips.

Posted by: Coyote757 on February 1, 2009 at 12:31 AM | PERMALINK

Card see's 5,000 dollar suits as the one true way to show respect. A guy rolling up his sleeves and getting down to work for us is beneath his blue blood nose. Andy there is a place for people like you, the unemployment line.

Posted by: foggycity on February 1, 2009 at 12:32 AM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card is an idiot. What else is there to say?

Posted by: marcus3 on February 1, 2009 at 12:38 AM | PERMALINK

Bush dress code, smirk, power symbols mandatory. Expertise optional.

Heck of a job Andy!

Posted by: foggycity on February 1, 2009 at 12:39 AM | PERMALINK

See, this is the problem is Washington. The OLD boys network continues to think like old boys. The new generation embraced "Casual Fridays", "Jeans Fridays", "Dress Down Day", "Dress for your Day", and all other such days that allow comfort over formality. These old men just haven't caught up with the real world where companies across the country are all relaxing the dress code. People work better when they're more comfortable, and in the Obama White House, they are less likely to say "Yes Sir" to everything they disagree with than they are if they were wearing more formal attire. It's kind of like a kid in his Sunday suit. He's on his best behavior all dressed up, but when he has his play clothes on, he is more likely to just be himself. The OLD boys club in Washington need to catch up with the rest of the world. It's just not that serious.

Posted by: Solja on February 1, 2009 at 12:45 AM | PERMALINK

Wow this aritlce is a joke! Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 respected the office because they ware suits! Did Reagan and the Bushes respect the office during the Iran-Contra, S&L Scandle, Build up to the current Iraq war? I think Mr. Card has doesn't have respect for the Presidency with his remarks. What is with Republicans, they seem to think only their party has a right to be in the White House. It's the narrow minded views that made them lose this election.

Posted by: Corinne Hernandez on February 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM | PERMALINK

George Bush really respected the presidency alright! Giving millions to private bankers, lawyers, and even lined his pockets. Lets not forget he respected our soldiers so much, they went to war without protective gear! Its idiots like this who truely needs to experience waterboarding at its finest!

Posted by: Robert Childs Jr. on February 1, 2009 at 12:51 AM | PERMALINK

What, is this guy a child? Emotional level at or near Bush? He's all like; "Oooh, ME! Talk about ME for awhile!"

Posted by: fit4brains on February 1, 2009 at 12:59 AM | PERMALINK

What do you expect from Card who idolized a man who spent 30% of his presidency on vacation...most importantly four of the nine months leading up to 911. And his uninterupted vacation while New Orleans drowned.

Also, he may have kept his jacket on but what about those tacky belts with the metal tips on the end. Who the hell wears that crap?

Posted by: Kevin on February 1, 2009 at 1:00 AM | PERMALINK

Grammer Fanatic,

Most company presidents and CEOs make worse mistakes than where or whether to use an apostrophe. Not that important. If you want to split hairs, it's (notice the proper use of the apostrophe)the editor's (there it is, again)job to correct these minor details. We still know what is being said.
Anyway, if President Obama wants to roll up his sleeves when he gets down to work, let him. He's inherited a real hornet's nest from God? Why? Bush and I think he deserves to be comfortable.
He's my kind of president. Go, President BAM!

Posted by: Obamanaut on February 1, 2009 at 1:07 AM | PERMALINK

*HYPOCRITES* A jacket & tie does not make a hero! Look where they've gotten us over the past several decades. Pomp and tradition are no substitute for keeping up with the times! This is a NEW ERA and Obama is entitled to create new protocols, so for God's sake, CATCH UP! Or sit down and shut up.

Posted by: sandy on February 1, 2009 at 1:08 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry, but I cannot (can't) help suggesting that the context calls for the contraction for "it is" (it's), not the possessive "its". It's kind of like Card's criticizing the form of dress used from the point of view of a functionless drone.

Posted by: Rich Strachan on February 1, 2009 at 1:09 AM | PERMALINK

Why, even the guy at Abu Ghraib balancing on a cardboard box - with wires on his thumbs that he thought would electrocute him if he stumbled - had enough respect for "the symbol of freedom for the world, the Oval Office" to wear a decent coat (and hat!) while being tortured during Bush and Card's reign.

Posted by: Harry R. Sohl on February 1, 2009 at 1:12 AM | PERMALINK

Our Iraq veterans who are living their lives now without hands, fingers, feet, and damaged brains would like to thank Pres. Obama for loosening his tie to get their buddies out of the Iraqi hell hole that Andrew Card, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et. al. brought them in.

Posted by: Cat on February 1, 2009 at 1:14 AM | PERMALINK

I'm ready for my close-up,Mr. Card!

Posted by: Harry R. Sohl on February 1, 2009 at 1:20 AM | PERMALINK

Repeat performance from 'gradsu' Jan. 31, 10:48 a.m.

John Gotti, the "Dapper Don" always wore nice suits.
Gandhi, not so much.

Excellent reference! You have my respect, sir.

Posted by: Obamanaut on February 1, 2009 at 1:21 AM | PERMALINK

Mugabe of Zimbabwe is always immaculately dressed in suit and tie.

Aaahhh! And if I recall correctly, the Nazis were also always immaculately dressed.

Symbolism, and never substance, was always the focus of these swaggering tyrants that want to destroy everything they touch.

Posted by: Sgt Lucifer on February 1, 2009 at 1:23 AM | PERMALINK

Call the wahhhhhhmbulance. Maybe if these idiots were as concerned about policy as they are about their dress, the country wouldn't be in the mess it's in.
Posted by: James G on January 31, 2009 at 10:21 AM

its
Posted by: GrammarNazi on January 31, 2009 at 10:22 AM

GrammarNazi, your idiocy made my day.

Posted by: GrammarJuden on February 1, 2009 at 1:31 AM | PERMALINK

I agree with the comment that in the eight years that Bush was preident, he never worked up a sweat but with all that he did he should have been sweating bullets. Maybe if you look closer, you would see armpit stains, but due to the miracle of technology they must have airbrushed it out....nuff said

Posted by: cobra7 on February 1, 2009 at 1:32 AM | PERMALINK

its....belonging to ...
it's.... it is

Posted by: ed on February 1, 2009 at 1:33 AM | PERMALINK

.....and jesus wore sandals.
Who the F cares what O is wearing as long as he's DOING the job with respect to Americans and the constitution.

Posted by: Maria matos on February 1, 2009 at 1:35 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Andy, YOUR PARTY LOST, we don't care what you think.

Posted by: Jl on February 1, 2009 at 1:35 AM | PERMALINK

Couldn't agree more. Clothes? Really? Wow.

Posted by: liz on February 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM | PERMALINK

By the way, we have various freedoms in the United States. People have the right to dresses as they wish as long as it appropriate. As the leader of the free world, Obama can dress as he wish. He is the President. My Guess, GOP wants to continue Bush Doctrine and Legacy continues destroying the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Aalaf Alot on February 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM | PERMALINK

Card and his ilk get twisted up thinking about clothing instead of the Constitution, ties instead of torture. Clothes do not make the man. Real men prove their humanity and respect for our country every day without putting on a tie. Bush was all dressed up on several occasions when he was photographed giving people the finger. Card thinks that Americans are such idiots that we will look at the masquerade gentlemen and think they are the real McCoys.

Posted by: Katyann on February 1, 2009 at 1:44 AM | PERMALINK

You can put lipstick on a pig (Bush)...but it's still a PIG

Posted by: Terry Henry on February 1, 2009 at 1:46 AM | PERMALINK

Card is slightly smarter than he sounds here. Thomas Jefferson intentionally greeted visiting dignitaries in his bathrobe on occasion. He did so specifically because he wanted to make sure that the office of the president was not too respected, because he wanted to prevent it from becoming an authoritarian seat of power.

So, yeah, clothes do matter a bit. And yeah, if you're a believer in freedom and American values, you might advocate the President dressing down now and then. If it was good enough for Jefferson...

Posted by: Andy on February 1, 2009 at 1:48 AM | PERMALINK

Well said.

This really epitomizes what was so utterly WARPED about the Bush White House.

While Bush with his malopropisms and extraordinarily poor speaking skills disgraced his office and his country every time he opened his mouth, Obama radiates a presidential dignity, elegance and eloquence which far transcends Mr. Card's antiquated notions of White House etiquette.

Posted by: paul on February 1, 2009 at 1:49 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, Andrew! Just look at what Bill Clinton was doing with his intern in the "symbol of the free world," so to speak.

Americans were betrayed by the decisions that were made by GWB in the oval office. People get angry when they realize that they have been had.

Don't you agree?

Posted by: Solman on February 1, 2009 at 1:49 AM | PERMALINK

What a joke. Andy Card? REALLY? That guy should be dealt with. Shuffle off to Buffalo, Andy. Seriously, Card needs to fold on this one.

I guarantee Dubya spent twice as much time while President sporting spandex (biking shorts -- not his best look), golf outfits (ditto) and all his various other costumes. That would include the get-up he wore while portraying, "George Bush, Brush-Clearing Man of the Common Folk" down on his Crawford ranch, a place that had more in common with a Hollywood movie set than an actual place of residence.

ALSO... In the more than 1,100 days he spent on vacation (accounting for more than three of the eight 'torturous' years he spent in office), how many times did Mr. GQ don a suit then?

I have a feeling by the time Barack Obama has proven what a smart, reasonable leader can actually accomplish in this job, the American people wouldn't care if he sat behind his desk all day in nothing but his skivvies.

There have been great men throughout history who made all those around them feel small. But the real mark of greatness? Is the great man who makes every man feel great.

That, my friends, is Barack Obama in a nutshell.

Posted by: Reese Thompson on February 1, 2009 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

How can a buliding built with slave labor, be a symbol of freedom

Posted by: Alice on February 1, 2009 at 1:50 AM | PERMALINK

You people need to all keep this real. If I can't respect the man I have to respect the office. I really don't feel Mr. President, but he is OUR President! The office he works in is Our Office also..the people of the United States of America and there has to be some respect shown for our forefathers. Cut throat as they were, some of our former Presidents had a Great deal of respect for the Office, but these are different people who run our country. Alot of those people all truly out for themselves and have no respect for anyone.
America! Keep your eyes open, and see only what you see and not what you think!

Posted by: Mitchell on February 1, 2009 at 1:51 AM | PERMALINK

I guess going on vacation for 34% of one's Presidency is considered very respectful of the office... Seems to me working hard, as President Obama obviously is, shows far more respect for the office than what he wears. A government of the people and by the people should not be above the people but for the people, remember? Do the people really care what the President wears as long as he is doing a good job? If being comfortable means he can be more focused, more power to him.

Posted by: Nonpartay on February 1, 2009 at 2:06 AM | PERMALINK

What a joke. The republicans think that taking yout jacket off is "disrespect' to the presidency? That's LAUGHABLE! What is disrespect to the presidency is-

1- torturing people in the name of America
2- Holding people in prisons with no charges, no trials
3- tapping american's phones without warrants
4- instructing your staff to ignore subpoenas
5- instructing your staff to ignore FOI requests
6- exposing the identity of an American CIA agent in order to take revenge and hurt a family member a political rival
7- lying to start a war

and they are worried about Obama's jacket? CLUELESS.

Posted by: chris on February 1, 2009 at 2:08 AM | PERMALINK

Oooh...

Love that last response.

Or as they say in laissez faire land: Snap!

Posted by: Marie on February 1, 2009 at 2:15 AM | PERMALINK

Respect THIS, Andy!

Jeez, this is coming from a guy who was an integral part of the worst presidency in American history.

You want to talk a little disrespect, Andy? Fine: Words do not begin to show the depth of my disrespect for you and your disastrous administration. You dangerous clowns disgust me!

Posted by: Steve on February 1, 2009 at 2:22 AM | PERMALINK

A comment from one calling himself Chicago made mention of Dubya's cowboy boots. Several years back, the Chicago Sun-Times ran a color photo covering the top half of the front page of the entire Bush Bunch (yes, Doro too!) in formalwear.

Dubya was perched front and center, between the Overbearing Mother and the Stepford Wife.

I seem to recall the occasion was the 50th wedding anniversary of George the Elder and his blushing bride, James Madison.

Not only was Dubya wearing cowboy boots, he'd hitched up his britches in order to reveal what looked to be some sort of Presidential Seal/License Plates affixed to the boots.

In fact, the paper's headline shouted: HOW 'BOUT THEM BOOTS!

Beside what he was wearing, the poor guy looked as if Mom had just given him a stiff smack upside the head and told him, "Will you sit up, son? You look like a dang monkey!"

Ramrod straight, with feet together in front of his chair, his hands dutifully resting on his knees, the guy looked exactly like Howard Morris, aka, Ernest T. Bass, Mayberry's very own village idget.

For fans of "The Andy Griffith Show," Ernest T. Bass could take the usually warm, fuzzy and undeniably funny-as-hell sitcom into a place that was ever-so-slightly surrealville.

The episode in which Ernest T. falls in love with Miss Crump after she disciplines him by cracking his knuckles with a ruler, thereby setting off a condition Barney diagnosed as classic "Mother figure syndrome" is priceless.

Over time, it has occurred to me that George W. and Ernest T. have much more in common than rugged good looks and illiteracy issues, however.

For example: Both men appeared to have enlisted in the military for one reason and one reason only. In order to score a uniform. As Bass explained, "But, Sheriff, I cain't git me no girl without a uniform. Girls loooove men in unee-forms. Don't they?"

The other comparison is stultifyingly obvious.

In a different episode, Ernest T. starts a feud of sorts by pelting businesses in town with rocks, breaking windows and generally causing an uproar. He even breaks a window in the front of the Courthouse.

So, all things being equal, I think it's fair to say both men started a war...

With a rock.

Posted by: Reese Thompson on February 1, 2009 at 2:41 AM | PERMALINK

I am so tired of hearing you people talk about what Mr. Bush did to you! Yes I do believe that our former President made some grave mistakes, and I am wish enough to understand our current President...President Obama will make some mistakes too. But we as Americans need to standup and be accounted for, we are the ones who when out and got in over our heads in bills and when faced with adversity couldn't walk the walk. Wr feel better when we blame others for our problems. Go ahead and blame it all on Mr. Bush, but he's gone now. As I type this someone will and believe me they will start blaming their problems on President Obama. It's you America, you are the change to believe in! Now go and change something today that holds your growth back, and when you do look at where you will go too

Posted by: Mitchell on February 1, 2009 at 2:52 AM | PERMALINK

I don't know what Card's agenda is, but surely this kind of puerile crap isn't serving it.

Posted by: viva on February 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM | PERMALINK

Garments are not important right now.Please give the President some breathing space to help fix Mr.Bush's mess.

Posted by: Marcia on February 1, 2009 at 3:07 AM | PERMALINK

Garments are not important right now.Please give the President some breathing space to do his job.

Posted by: Marcia on February 1, 2009 at 3:10 AM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card is an irrelevant clown. He is lucky that the entire Bush/Cheney Administration is not in pinstripes behind bars. The opposition has lost standing with the American people. This is the height of hypocrisy and about as useful a distraction in these serious times as a Perez Hilton blog on who's doing coke and not wearing underwear. I love America but am saddened that so many people are given a voice to air their stupidity by the mainstream media.

Posted by: Christopher London on February 1, 2009 at 3:22 AM | PERMALINK

It seems appropriate to remember the reporter on CNN who today challenged Rush Limbaugh [spelling?] to a debate but to drop the name calling and the bad language; in a time of crisis and people out of work and hope, this is rather a time for unbiased debate about real issues and ideas that might bring us out of this crisis, not worrying about who was wearing a suit and tie in which office at which time!!!! Wheww!

Posted by: GGNicholson on February 1, 2009 at 3:23 AM | PERMALINK

It seems appropriate to drop the name calling and the bad language; in a time of crisis it's time for unbiased debate about real issues and ideas that might bring us out of this crisis, not worrying about who was wearing a suit and tie in which office at which time!

Posted by: GGNicholson on February 1, 2009 at 3:25 AM | PERMALINK

Andy Card: Your fifteen minutes are over. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Inka Dinkadoo on February 1, 2009 at 3:28 AM | PERMALINK

And there you have it. Today's Republican party is all about style, zero percent substance. Yeah, Andy, make sure the President wears a jacket but don't worry about him destroying the country. You are a moron.

Posted by: Leo on February 1, 2009 at 3:37 AM | PERMALINK

These guys are irrelevant. Why do we care what these criminals are saying now? I wholeheartedly agree with last quote of this story.

Posted by: Steve Duran on February 1, 2009 at 3:55 AM | PERMALINK

What type of fracked up locker room did Bush come from? I don't know about others, but I have yet to seen dress shirts and ties in the locker room. Maybe it's some country club thing...

Posted by: wingsabre on February 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM | PERMALINK

It's too bad Mr. Card that you didn't seem to have a problem when George W. Bush was disrespecting our laws, our country, and the American people. Maybe if you cared as much about our country than who wears ties or a jacket, Obama and our country wouldn't have been left with the 'Great Mess'.

Posted by: Claire on February 1, 2009 at 4:38 AM | PERMALINK

Mr. Card

Two/Two words for you.

Jeff/Jim Gannon/Guckert

Posted by: Dee on February 1, 2009 at 4:56 AM | PERMALINK

A mannequin wearning a suit could had done a better job in the white house. Bush was all suit and no brains.. He must had learn how to treat the white house at his skull and bones initiation..kissing the skulls of dead people and wearing a black cape.

Posted by: joe on February 1, 2009 at 5:03 AM | PERMALINK

Julie keeps farting.

Posted by: Justin on February 1, 2009 at 5:19 AM | PERMALINK

I find it interesting that of all of the formal presidential portraits, GWB's was in an open collar shirt, sitting casually on a couch. All other presidential portraits were formally posed in suits that reflected their eras.

Posted by: BDDH on February 1, 2009 at 6:05 AM | PERMALINK

Enough of these Texas right wing nuts. Bush and his cronies destroyed this country all the while wearing their suits and ties!Their attire certainly didn't result in sound judgements. Get real!

Posted by: clint on February 1, 2009 at 6:10 AM | PERMALINK

Ha Ha, Andy. You're irrelevent

Posted by: Anthony on February 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM | PERMALINK

"All of these comments miss the point, which is that Obama's choice of dress does in fact reflect respect for office—as a place where the people's representative in chief gets down to work on the people's behalf. What says this better than no jacket, sleeves rolled up? The man is working hard for the common man."

I couldn't agree more. One of my favorite parts of Obama's campaign speech was when he finished up with, "Let's get to work!." While the Repubs wore coats and ties while busying themselves obstructing justice, overseeing POWs being raped and tortured, snatching executive power, crafting legal nightmares, mastering cronyism, destroying the economy, and spying on Americans, Obama has rolled up his shirt sleeves to clean up the mess. A week and a day to a stimulus package! Awesome first week restoring some dignity and effectiveness to the White House.

Let's get to work, America, and put pressure on the leftover obstructionist Repub Party elements to get a grip on reality, roll up their shirtsleeves and get to work themselves! And not to "spread their message to every corner of America," as Steele envisions. Instead, to focus on cleaning up their mess, and getting in line with Americans who are tired of their dangerous and morally repugnant ideology.


Posted by: MomforObamaInFla on February 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM | PERMALINK

Obama should just give them the two finger salute, announce that he's making a 'change' and turn up wearing a Hawaiian shirt, but instead of a flag pin, should wear a badge saying "I WON".

Posted by: Rudi on February 1, 2009 at 6:31 AM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card must not remember Bush at his ranch in a golf cart using his shirt sleeve as a napkin to wipe his mouth. Was one of his earlier, less embarrassing moments.

Posted by: duke on February 1, 2009 at 6:36 AM | PERMALINK

Without a jacket and tie, Obama looks like a President who isn't wearing a jacket and tie, while Bush, in similar attire, looks like a State Farm agent. Bush needs those trappings, just like he needed excessive genuflection from adjacent parties, to prop up him up since he lacks innate gravitas.

Posted by: dkissam on February 1, 2009 at 6:48 AM | PERMALINK

why is Card such an unthinking douchbag?

Posted by: Twisted Melvin on February 1, 2009 at 7:05 AM | PERMALINK

Andrew Card talks disrespecting the White House, Bush landing a spit on south lawn of the White House in front of a camera was embarassing, disgusting and not respectful of the Highest Office.

Posted by: Walters on February 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM | PERMALINK

Now we know what Card whispered to Bush on 9/11.

"Sir, your pocket square needs puffing."

A mortified Bush waited seven minutes to fix the problem, because he didn't want to scare the kids.

Posted by: Mystery Solved on February 1, 2009 at 7:39 AM | PERMALINK

Andy Card... heck, he's almost relevant

Posted by: adrefugee on February 1, 2009 at 7:41 AM | PERMALINK

No wonder nothing got done in the Bush White House. They were spending all their time getting dressed.

Posted by: adrefugee on February 1, 2009 at 7:43 AM | PERMALINK

Okay, we are not seriously having this discussion? It is just that we all are taking a break from life for a second and responding to some imbecile named, Andrew Card, for the fun of it, right? Rome is burning and Card wants to dictate the dress that the firefighter wears while putting out the fire. He is kidding, right? Or is he really a lunatic just rambling mumble jumble because he no longer can put two thoughts together. Either way, he like Limbaugh, are not worth our response. Well, except it reminds us of what has just left, thank God.

Posted by: jeannie seeley smith on February 1, 2009 at 7:47 AM | PERMALINK

Okay, we are not seriously having this discussion? It is just that we all are taking a break from life for a second and responding to some imbecile named, Andrew Card, for the fun of it, right? Rome is burning and Card wants to dictate the dress that the firefighter wears. He is kidding, right? Or is he really a lunatic just rambling mumble jumble because he no longer can put two thoughts together. Either way, he like Limbaugh, are not worth our response. Well, except it is a nice reminder of what has just left, thank God.

Posted by: jeannie seeley smith on February 1, 2009 at 7:49 AM | PERMALINK

Yes, Bush and his cronies wore suits while driving this country off the cliff. Obama's crew may just have to roll up their sleeves, and yes, even, gasp, take off their jackets, to haul it out again.

Posted by: jake walker on February 1, 2009 at 7:51 AM | PERMALINK

I wish I could say that I'm surprised by the shocking lack or priorities displayed by a former staffer. Unfortunately, eight years of Bush's presidency AND his time as the governor of Texas clearly reveal the man is all form and no substance, so how can one even remotely be surprised by such an asinine opinion? Still, I do continue to be shocked at the pitiful value system of these hypocrites. Will they never understand that appearances will only get you so far, but, ultimately, you better have some substance beneath the facade? I would rather have my nation's president show up for work in sweatpants if it meant he would actually uphold the Constitution, make intelligent decisions, and respect our citizens.

Posted by: Deborah on February 1, 2009 at 7:52 AM | PERMALINK

Ha..Ha..Ha...keep it up..just show everyone how out of touch republicans still are with the dishonor and disregard that the president showed for the constitution, the people and his office..it's not what you wear it's the character that wears it..

Posted by: Walter on February 1, 2009 at 7:59 AM | PERMALINK

Aside from the excellent issue that it matters more what you do than what you wear in the Oval Office, let's also remember how rarely Bush was in that office, especially on weekends. I believe Bush spent literally 1/3 of his presidency on vacation -- at Camp David, in Crawford, or at his dad's house in Maine. I'd rather have a president who was working more & not taking a vacation every 3rd day so he could slip into something more comfortable. Also, it's good to have a president that wants a daily briefing daily, & not 6 days a week.

Posted by: cejaxon on February 1, 2009 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK

It is easy to put a suit on a pig, but it is still a pig. Just when did the office of the President become an office of nobility? What we need now is a President to roll up his sleeves and try to straighten out the mess the last King left.Go President Obama.

Posted by: Carl on February 1, 2009 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

Or he could take the stick out of his a**.

Posted by: CBell on February 1, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

Because there's nothing like a nice Oxxford custom-tailored suit to add a touch of class when you're ordering detainees to be tortured, outing CIA operatives for partisan political purpose, or ppeparing that MEGA-pack of lies to shovel to the media.

Posted by: bobdevo on February 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

Bill Clinton got a blow job in the White house. Well! there goes the respect.

Posted by: Abdullah on February 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

why so much ink on what bushies think? The only ink should come in the form of criminal indictments!!!

Posted by: grammyR on February 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

It's about time someone rolled up their sleeves and gets to work at the White House.

Posted by: Sherry on February 1, 2009 at 8:33 AM | PERMALINK

Don't you love it? It's OK if they steal your jobs, homes, health care and retirement while rich CEOs get billions, as long as they wear suits in the oval office.

Posted by: JAB on February 1, 2009 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

well it would be nice if some of the people who Obama is putting in his Cabinet were following laws that the rest of us have to follow regarding paying taxes, like Daschle is now under scrutiny for. But I guess since he is a Democrat, it is AOK.

Posted by: doug norman on February 1, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

Bush "respected" the white house and millions have died in wars and the country has been nearly destroyed in many ways. For the losers crying afoul, your party is over! you can suck it or take it up your ars!

Posted by: stuwoeifjdsk on February 1, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

The German National Socialists (AKA Nazis) and the Italian Fascists were fanatics about uniforms, too.

Posted by: JeanPaulSatire on February 1, 2009 at 8:50 AM | PERMALINK

looks like Andrew Card doesn't know what "working" look like--since he's never seen Bush "working."

Posted by: jeanine on February 1, 2009 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK

What planet did Mr. Card just helicopter in from. The office of the president has nothing to do with a suit - it's a branch of government where the American people are served. Maybe Mr. Card needs to recheck his priorities. Or maybe he should just recede in the mist of a failed past.

Posted by: Harry Miller on February 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

What planet did Mr. Card just helicopter in from. The office of the president has nothing to do with a suit - it's a branch of government where the American people are served. Maybe Mr. Card needs to recheck his priorities. Or maybe he should just recede in the mist of a failed past.

Posted by: HMiller on February 1, 2009 at 8:56 AM | PERMALINK


Hey, wait. I don't remember the Bush Leaguers wearing suits and ties. I recall them wearing brown shirts with swastika arm bands and jack boots and arrogantly strutting around mouthing vile slogans about God and patriotism.

"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis


Posted by: Johnbo on February 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

Stupid issue just like the flag pin.

Posted by: Robin g on February 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM | PERMALINK

and there we have the problem with the gop in general: caught up in sound bites and facia.

only in wingnutia is janet jackson's breast, proper attire and potty language obscene or objectionable while torture, incompetence resulting in death (katrina), spending a full third of one's presidency are not obscene.

thank god the american people chose authenticity over promotion this time around. sarah palen indeed.

Posted by: dexx on February 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM | PERMALINK

The GOP disgraced the White House when they put their stamp of approval on GW Bush in 2000. Andrew Card is so shallow that he operates in 2 dimensions.

Posted by: Don Warner on February 1, 2009 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, Andy,
Please don't wear your prison garb to the oval office....NOT appropriate!

Posted by: DickNH on February 1, 2009 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

O tempora, O mores!

Yeah, I bet Obama even allows fighting in the War Room.

Posted by: Glen Tomkins on February 1, 2009 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

Properly fitting suits are essential for image - Why, just look at that splendid example of being a Solon, one Saxby Chambliss - When, he stands up, his two pants legs are creased. Every inch a Senator - However, his predecessor, looked as though he was auditioning for a role in "Born on the 4th of July" - How could Max Cleland possibly help lead this nation with those baggy pants? Plus, the suit does cover Saxby's football knee, but, not his shame.

Posted by: berttheclock on February 1, 2009 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK

First time on this post. Does everyone here drink the same Kool - Aid?

Posted by: mtom on February 1, 2009 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK

"Locker Room"? That's astounding coming from people who treated our country and our entire system of government like a toilet.

Posted by: Gosseyn3 on February 1, 2009 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

Card talks about Respect?

Doesn't matter how you dress, taking a dump on the Constitution even in a suit is about as disrespectful as you can get

Posted by: mark on February 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

I already sung about this back in the 60s...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEQeRLT1HNQ

Posted by: John Lennon on February 1, 2009 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

Wearing a suit and taking the country into an unnecessary war is ok though. Wow what a standard to live up to.

Posted by: Angela on February 1, 2009 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK

If the most productive thing you have to do with your time is grouse about Obama's wardrobe, its obvious you have way too much time on your hands. Perhaps you should find a real job? Oh, I forgot - there aren't any! Way to go, moron!

Posted by: schaffer2000 on February 1, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

BTW - Bush wasn't wearing a jacket a jacket on August 6th, 2001 when Harriet Miers handed him a Presidential Daily Briefing (you know, a historical document!) titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike inside US".

Maybe that explains why he couldn't be bothered to read it?

Posted by: Harry R. Sohl on February 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

As has been amply demonstrated, this myth of Bush demanding a jacket and tie in the oval office is a blatant lie.

So Andrew Card is running around lying to everyone and the Bush-loving MSM refuses to refute his lies (just like they have done for the last 8 years).

And Steve, it would do you well in include in this really good post that, while disrespecting the office of President by eagerly violating their sacred oath to the US Constitution, they themselves were NOT wearing jackets at all times.

Surprise, surprise, Andrew Card is double-lying!!! And the 'liberal' media does nothing to refute them!

Posted by: Comrade Rutherford on February 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM | PERMALINK

Before WWI began there was a great debate inside the French Army about the uniform. The traditionalists insisted that the troops continue to wear the red pants that dated back to before the days of Napoleon. They thought that any change in attire would reduce the "elan" of the French soldier. The progressives argued that the pants made the troops too visible and therefore easier targets. Logic vs stupid tradition. The traditionalists won the day. When the war started the Germans had no problem picking off the French soldiers.

Posted by: Scott on February 1, 2009 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

I got an e-mail from a friend who summarized Card's misplaced priorities quite effectively and succinctly. Here are the key comments:

QUOTE:
Bankrupt the country, kill a million people, ignore the Constitution, be corruption incarnate, be a moron, but do it while wearing a jacket and tie. These people are the living setup and punchline for every joke of irony ever written.
:UNQUOTE

I have nothing to add.

Posted by: Eddie VanArsdall on February 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

It is always style over substance with the Republics. They care not that Bush is a giggling moron, Cheney a psychopath, Reagan a feeble-minded figurehead; it's all about appearances.

Who cares if they ran our nation into a ditch, then ran away laughing, stealing the silver on the way out.

I wouldn't mind if President Obama leads this country wearing nothing but his BVD's.

Substance matters.
Obama won.
Andrew Card is irrelevant.

Posted by: Ikonos on February 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

Card's comments re Oval Office Attire are so arrogant he deserves ea. & ea. one of these comments. I congradulate all of you who commented, you put it down so well! You folks remind me that we have lots of wonderful people who are not fooled by such jack*a*s pompous opinions. We are living in such serious times that to question a leader in casual dress, is in itself not appropriate. President Obama and his team are in the oval office to work, not to pose for Brooks Brothers or some Prudish Aunt Bertha.

Pres. Obama has enough elegance and class to know when formal dress is proper and when he can do his very difficult job, in the comfort of casual attire. Andy Card insults me with his crass comments. It's always ok to critique a President in this country, but this is just too rude. I think it's Mr. Card who needs to show a bit more respect to our new President and the huge clean-up he has to do in this transition! Time for you to look inward Mr. Card; do some atonement for the mess you helped create. You, of all people, have no business insulting our new President.

Posted by: frostu7530 on February 1, 2009 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

Andy Card needs to get out and learn about the real world for a change. Coats and ties long ago went by the wayside as a uniform that's conducive to getting work done. Or perhaps he's never heard the term, "rolling up your sleeves"? But then, we all know that the Bush administration didn't get much actual work done. They were too busy trying to dismantle the Constitution and everything else our forefathers died trying to preserve. Creeps!

Posted by: Drew on February 1, 2009 at 4:55 PM | PERMALINK

What a joke.

Andy Card? REALLY? That guy should be dealt with. Shuffle off to Buffalo, Andy.

Seriously, Card needs to fold on this one.

I guarantee Dubya spent twice as much time while President sporting spandex (biking shorts ~ not his best look), golf outfits (ditto) and all his various other costumes. That would include the get-up he wore while portraying, "George Bush, Brush-Clearing Man of the Common Folk" down on his Crawford ranch, a place that had more in common with a Hollywood movie set than an actual place of residence.

ALSO. . .

In the more than 1,100 days he spent on vacation (accounting for more than three of the eight 'torturous' years he spent in office), how many times did Mr. GQ don a suit then?

I have a feeling by the time Barack Obama has proven what a smart, reasonable leader can actually accomplish in this job, the American people wouldn't care if he sat behind his desk all day in nothing but his skivvies.

There have been great men throughout history who made all those around them feel small.

But the real mark of greatness? Is the great man who makes every man feel great.

That, my friends, is Barack Obama in a nutshell.

On another note, one comment from "Chicago" made mention of Dubya's cowboy boots.

Several years back, the Chicago Sun-Times ran a color photo covering the top half of the front page of the entire Bush Bunch (yes, Doro too!) in formalwear. Dubya was perched front and center, between the Overbearing Mother and the Stepford Wife.

I seem to recall the occasion was the 50th wedding anniversary of George the Elder and his blushing bride, James Madison.

Not only was Dubya wearing cowboy boots, he'd hitched up his britches in order to reveal what looked to be some sort of Presidential Seal/License Plates affixed to the boots.

In fact, the paper's headline shouted: HOW 'BOUT THEM BOOTS!

Beside what he was wearing, the poor guy looked as if Mom had just given him a stiff smack upside the head and told him, "Will you sit up, son? You look like a dang monkey!"

Ramrod straight, with feet together in front of his chair, his hands dutifully resting on his knees, the guy looked exactly like Howard Morris, aka, Ernest T. Bass, Mayberry's very own village idget.

For fans of "The Andy Griffith Show," Ernest T. Bass could take the usually warm, fuzzy and undeniably funny-as-hell sitcom into a place that was ever-so-slightly surrealville.

The episode in which Ernest T. falls in love with Miss Crump after she disciplines him by cracking his knuckles with a ruler, thereby setting off a condition Barney diagnosed as classic "Mother figure syndrome" is priceless.

Over time, it has occurred to me that George W. and Ernest T. have much more in common than rugged good looks and illiteracy issues, however.

For example: Both men appeared to have enlisted in the military for one reason and one reason only. In order to score a uniform. As Bass explained, "But, Sheriff, I cain't git me no girl without a uniform. Girls loooove men in unee-forms. Don't they?"

The other comparison is stultifyingly obvious.

In a different episode, Ernest T. starts a feud of sorts by pelting businesses in town with rocks, breaking windows and generally causing an uproar.

He even breaks a window in the front of the Courthouse.

So, all things being equal, I think it's fair to say both men started a war...

WITH A ROCK.

Posted by: Reese Thompson on February 1, 2009 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

Disrespecting the Office of the President of the U.S. because of casual dress on the weekend???
That's like saying someone isn't working hard because they've got their sleeves rolled up!

You're a real Card, Mr!

Posted by: Nikolai on February 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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