February 2, 2009
PROF. FRANK TAKES COLLEAGUES TO SCHOOL.... When it comes to fighting a war in Iraq, for six years, congressional Republicans said no price was too high, no spending bill was too bloated, and no presidential request was too unreasonable. When it comes to rescuing an economy in crisis, congressional Republicans take a very different tack.
To his enormous credit, Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) appeared on ABC News' "This Week" yesterday to ask why this is.
You'll notice, of course, that Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), one of the Senate's most far-right members, argued, "Let's not say it's a stimulus when it's a government spending plan." It's a little painful to see a United States senator fail to realize that a government spending plan is a stimulus plan, but let's not dwell on DeMint.
When told that the stimulus package would be "the largest spending bill in history," Frank raised a point that has gone largely overlooked: "The largest spending bill in history is going to turn out to be the one in Iraq. If we're going to talk about spending, I have a problem when we leave out that extraordinary expensive, damaging war in Iraq, which has caused much more harm than good in my judgment. I don't understand from my conservative friends, building a road, building a school, helping to get health care, that's wasteful spending. But that war in Iraq, that's going to cost us over a trillion dollars, yeah, I wish we hadn't done that we would have been in a lot better shape fiscally."
George Stephanopoulos intervened, hoping to change the subject, saying the war issue is a subject for "a whole other show." Frank drove the point home: "No, it's isn't. That's the problem. The problem is we look at spending and say don't spend on highways or health care. Let's builds weapons to defeat the Soviet Union when we don't need them. Let's have hundreds of billions of dollars going to the military without a check. Unless everything is on the table, then you are going to have a disproportionate hit in some places."
It seems, as part of the coverage of the stimulus debate, far more Republicans are getting air time than Democrats. If the majority party were to convince news outlets to change this, I might recommend putting Frank on TV as much as humanly possible.
—Steve Benen 8:00 AM
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Franks is right on target. Bless him for being persistent and pointing that out to the empty-headed pretty boy interviewing him. We have to consider the total package.
Posted by: Jason on February 2, 2009 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK
I watched that discussion. DeMint was embarrassing. All slogans, all the time. Frank was candid and brilliant. The other two guests (the CEOs of Fed Ex and Google) were refreshing. Frank and the CEOs had a great discussion. DeMint and Stephanopoulos got in the way.
Posted by: Ron Byers on February 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK
I think the networks need to be called out on their obvious pandering to the right. Anyone can see that when you have twice as many Republicans invited to speak, right after the country overwhelmingly rejected the Republicans and their disastrously moronic fiscal policies, this shows plainly that the corporate news is NOT liberal. The graph at Think Progress is bad enough, but factor in the Democrat to Republican party affiliation numbers, and you have the networks basically giving America the finger.
Posted by: Racer X on February 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK
"It seems, as part of the coverage of the stimulus debate, far more Republicans are getting air time than Democrats"
And media refs like Stephanopoulos are skewing the debate in the Republican's favor. The more things change...
Posted by: Lab Partner on February 2, 2009 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK
As to getting more Democrats on the airways I guess they could simply work harder and win overwhelming majorities in both the house and senate. You know it is possible that if the Democrats were really relevant they would have won big in November.
They do? They did? Never mind.
I am down with the "networks are giving America the finger" theory.
Posted by: Ron Byers on February 2, 2009 at 8:16 AM | PERMALINK
I think the most idiotic thing DeMint said was that the stimulus bill would cost 18 million jobs -- something BS about taking $1 trillion out of the economy. About the only way I can figure out he reached this conclusion was literally to pretend the GDP would be cut by the stimulus amount, and a proportionate number of jobs disappear. And this guy is on the joint economic committee?
Posted by: MLE on February 2, 2009 at 8:18 AM | PERMALINK
Maybe it's an affirmative action program for conservatives.
Posted by: jimbo on February 2, 2009 at 8:18 AM | PERMALINK
I don't understand from my conservative friends, building a road, building a school, helping to get health care, that's wasteful spending IF it's in the United States, but if in Iraq, it's a matter of national security.
Remember, Bush sent so many pallet loads of cash to Baghdad that they lost $12 billion. Let's send all the Republicans to Iraq on a cash finding mission.
Posted by: Capt Kirk on February 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM | PERMALINK
When you look back over the last few years it's very clear that the Iraq War and the massive Wealthcare bailouts (the so called financial resue of 2008) are both massive scams.
We have been spending way too many bucks for bangs and banks and not enough bang for our bucks when it comes to Main Street.
Wall Street and the Pentagon both have diminished our economical resilience and viability.
Frank is right on.
Posted by: Tom Nicholson on February 2, 2009 at 8:20 AM | PERMALINK
The clips I have watched of the show have DeMint saying that taking a trillion dollars out of the economy and then the government putting the money back into the economy would not work as well as leaving the money in the economy. I never saw Frank point out that no one is proposing such a plan. The trillion is all borrowed, not from increased taxes. DeMint really did not seem to have any other argument than this.
Posted by: Th on February 2, 2009 at 8:30 AM | PERMALINK
George Stephanopoulos intervened, hoping to change the subject, saying the war issue is a subject for "a whole other show."(i>
George Steponallofus, what a tool.
We spend 10 billion dollars a day in Iraq and don't even blink. Pallets of U.S. currency are misplaced, and no one is held to account.
But, to even suggest spending a few billion dollars on education or child healthcare is heresy.
I don't blame the repubs who go on the Sunday shoes and bleat about how spending is out of control. I blame the media elites who let it go unchallenged.
Posted by: WInknandanod on February 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM | PERMALINK
George Stephanopoulos intervened, hoping to change the subject, saying the war issue is a subject for "a whole other show."
We can't have viewers find out that the Republicans actually have a history of poor money management, bad predictions and odd priorities, can we.
Posted by: Danp on February 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM | PERMALINK
Judging from the opinions of my circle of friends and acquaintances, Pres. Obama would have strong public support if he used "we can no longer afford the war" as his primary justification for withdrawing.
Posted by: jpeckjr on February 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK
But as usual, the only soundbite to hit the evening news was DeMint's. Apparently Frank's complete sentences and clear logic took up too much time.
Maybe Jon Stewart can ask the next ABC talking head he has on the show "Just how stupid do you think your viewers are?"
Posted by: Steve Paradis on February 2, 2009 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
Democrats need to put that clip of Barney Frank telling the truth, that the biggest spending bill of all time was the trillion dollars wasted in Iraq, on a 24/7 rotation on every TV network. Then maybe the country will see the Republican bullshit about "wasteful spending" for what it is -- that any spending is "wasteful" unless it benefits THEM.
Posted by: dalloway on February 2, 2009 at 9:23 AM | PERMALINK
I don't know how DeMint and others think tax cuts are the answer, at the rate we are going, when we reach 25% unemployment, one-fourth of the "workforce" will see no benefit...
2010:
"it's the end of Republican's as we know them...
and I feel fine."
Posted by: effluvientOne on February 2, 2009 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK
America's MSM, bought and paid for.
Posted by: SteveA on February 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK
If the majority party were to convince news outlets to change this, I might recommend putting Frank on TV as much as humanly possible.
I absolutely agree. Franks seems to be the preferred choice of the Democrats as a spokesman and nothing could make the average voter understand the source of the present crisis more clearly than maximum exposure to Franks. I especially like his rant about how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound.
Posted by: Mike K on February 2, 2009 at 9:30 AM | PERMALINK
News anchors, like Stephanophoulous, who make millions every year neither comprehend nor care about the consequences of the economic collapse to average Americans. Of course they only want to speak with Republicans and steer the debate away from uncomfortable topics like the Iraq war. Stephanophoulous and the media were largely responsible for getting us into Iraq in the first place. Heaven forbid their audience will make the deeper connection that the networks and their anchors are as guilty as the banks and their executives were in wrecking the country.
Posted by: NealB on February 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK
I don't know how DeMint and others think tax cuts are the answer, at the rate we are going, when we reach 25% unemployment, one-fourth of the "workforce" will see no benefit...
Of course, it's not the lower 25% of the economy that the republicans want to target with their tax cuts.
Posted by: DH Walker on February 2, 2009 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK
The Democrats need to just repeat the following in every interview:
"When the GOP was in charge, they didn't have any problem with sending pallet-loads of cash, actual pallets with real dollar bills, straight to Baghdad to be tossed around freely.
Now that we want to send some checks to struggling state governments for hiring Americans, in Iowa and Texas and Ohio and Oregon, NOW they have a problem with spending. What's up with that?
Don't the Republicans want us to win in America, too?"
Posted by: biggerbox on February 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK
It's a little painful to see a United States senator fail to realize that a government spending plan is a stimulus plan...
Look, it's pretty simple. stimulus means his rich friends getting money. government spending means anonymous unrich people getting money. one is good, the other is not.
Posted by: tatere on February 2, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK
stephanopoulos is one of rahm emmanuel's BFFs.
this country is past redemption.
Posted by: karen marie on February 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK
Frank is the voice of reason among the shrill, petty noise that is currently on our airwaves. Thank you Senator Frank. Thank you for bringing this to the light. It has needed to be said for such a long time.
Now if we can just get Obama to listen.
Posted by: Cleo on February 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK
Looks like the Dems need to call a queer when they need some balls. Embarrassing to all those breeders, I would think.
Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on February 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK