Cheney's such a dick. Same goes for his dick wife and his dick dyke.

Cheney doesn't really have anything to be "furious" about.

Sure he does -- that conviction stands as a black mark against Cheney's manipulation of intelligence to seel the Iraq was, postwar rationalizations and deplorable outing of a covert CIA agent. It undermines Cheney's "we were right all along" stance, which he's continuing by suggesting that if Obama doesn't continue the Bush war crimes, he'll be responsible for a terror attack (only the war crimes kept us safe, you see!).

Thing is, though, if Libby were pardoned, he couldn't plead the Fifth. Bush's actions also suggest this Administration still has much to hide.

He's furious with Bush. He's really angry about it and decided he's going to say what he believes.

Didn't Cheney recently say he was going to write a book because he has a few scores to settle. Media, get out the popcorn, or donuts if you prefer. This could be fun.

Good job, Georgie! You finally grew a pair and stood up to your Svengali VP. I'm so proud of you! Just wait until "history" happens, and voila! You'll be a "Great President", too, just like Harry!

The little Decider who could.

Cheney's such a dick. Same goes for his dick wife and his dick dyke. Posted by: garnash on February 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM |

Was bashing Cheney's lesbian daughter really necessary? Seems gratuitous to me -- nothing whatever to do with the post, IMHO. Cheney IS a dick, leave his wife and daughter out of it.

Gotta wonder if Scooter betrayed his country with a 'promise' that, if caught, he would be pardoned. Is Bush standing on principal or breaking a promise?

Bush is such an ingrate! After Cheney let him play President in the Oval Office for 8 years, you'd think he could do this one, little thing in return!

While I am appalled and embarrassed by the idea of "enhanced interrogation", I also believe in "justice". So in the case of Valarie Plame, I think that it would be appropriate to use "enhanced interrogation" on Cheney, Libby and Rove to finally get to the truth of the matter.

Great. Now I have to revamp my thinking regarding GW. Up until now he'd done nothing right. So I have to give him credit for this one thing, at least - pissing off Dick Cheney.

Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Just can't get enough of that sentence, especially the word "convicted". That will be in the history books forever next to the name Libby, correct? Now we need to get the same phrase attached to Cheney, Bush, Rove, Miers, and Bolton.

Poor Dick - Only thinking of himself - No consideration of Shrub's pleading for the Ninth Army to break through or word from Pennemunde about any new secret weapons.

SteveT, "enhanced interrogation" - I would rather see them reenact "The Naked Prey", with Dick being the one in the circle and Shrub running the marathon.

jeebus, feel the love for dick cheney in this thread...

alls i was gonna say was:

i hope dick cheney has a great deal more to get furious about... and it wont be a moment too soon -- if it happens.

he is a traitor, a sociopath, a criminal, a mass murderer -- and he deserves the justice that a world in which the gods have fled is not likely to bestow upon him...

Was bashing Cheney's lesbian daughter really necessary? Seems gratuitous to me -- nothing whatever to do with the post, IMHO. Cheney IS a dick, leave his wife and daughter out of it.

Seconded.

Good job, Georgie! You finally grew a pair and stood up to your Svengali VP.
Posted by: garnash

No---he didn't "grow a pair", as you've so eloquently put it. He simply did as most dry-drunk, frat-brat types do: He used everyone, including his entire administration, until he had no further use for them.

And then, he dumped them on the rubbish heap.

For crying out loud, friend, didn't you see him all hunkered up in his seat during Obama's inaugural speech? He was pouting like a spoiled child who's never been told "no"---and has just experienced what it's like to not get his way.

As for Cheney? Beginning today, and on a daily basis, he'll begin to look and act, more and more, like the cornered rat that he is. If we are lucky---and that "if" is getting a wee bit smaller with every step we take forward---he won't "pull a Goering" and suicide before we can throw his wretched carcass into a nice little cage, for all the world to see....

Someone close to Cheney said, "He's furious with Bush. He's really angry about it and decided he's going to say what he believes."

I get angry, too, when one of my subordinates won't do what I tell them to!

After eight years of his being de facto President, it must've been easy for Cheney to lose sight of the fact that Bush was technically the boss, rather than the employee.

Guess Bush found it hard to shake those old Texas habits.

May I add a belated third to the rebuke of using a family member in an attack. Reminds me of the time someone tried to include the wife of TBroz in attacks. Very poor.

it must've been easy for Cheney to lose sight of the fact that Bush was technically the boss, rather than the employee.

Oh, I suspect that was a constant thorn for eight years. Cheney would not have "made the mistake" of trying to democratize Iraq, while Bush didn't have the forsight to plan for it. Under Cheney there never would have been an investigation into the Plame case. He would have said from day one, "she's not covert". He would have done more to protect the oil pipes from Katrina.

Does the lack of a Presidential Pardon make Cheney more vulnerable to prosecution for what was an act of treason to which he is inextricably tied?

No way Clinton would ever stick up for Sandy Berger.

Cheney doesn't really have anything to be "furious" about.

Sure he does. It's what he does best. Rant and rave, Darth. It's done and so are you and the other Traitors. For now. Once Obama cleans-up the economic and world morass you and yours created he's coming after you and the others who tortured and lied us into a war. War Criminal. Get it darth? Hague? Get it dork-a-sauras?

Furious. We are the ones who are furious.

red state mike, posting as An Inconvenient Truth, yelps: No way Clinton would ever stick up for Sandy Berger.

You're really going to have to do better than bringing up Sandy Berger as the answer to every Republican malfeasance. Old man, it's embarrassing to watch you.

May I add a belated third to the rebuke of using a family member in an attack. Reminds me of the time someone tried to include the wife of TBroz in attacks.

That was both crappy and creepy, but because tbrosz's wife doesn't, so far as we know, post here. Lynne Cheney involves herself in politics, public speaking and media interviews on behalf of the Bush administration's policies, and she is fair game for criticism. Calling the daughter of a political opponent a "dyke" is indefensible, however.

Cheney doesn't really have anything to be "furious" about.

In fact, although I am sure it wasn't intentional, he actually should thank Bush for not pardoning Libby, because now Libby can still plead the Fifth if ever called to testify in Congress.

If Bush had pardoned Libby, the Congressional Repubs would be up against the wall defending it rather than doing their obstructionist nonsense we've seen the last 4 weeks.

Bush probably knew his party needed something from him, even if he's the a-hole that started/contributed to/exacerbated the economic/housing/war mess.

shortstop, good point about Lynn Cheney - She, also, was a founder of the so-called "Independent" Women's Forum - This Republican organization continues to get away with the "Independent" moniker, when Michelle Bernard appears on MSNBC. Nancy Pfotonhauer, who preceeded Bernard, worked as a chief shill for McCain.

Mike, I can't seem to find any old threads in the archives of the commenters here carrying Sandy Berger's flag into battle. In fact, all I can recall are instances of you shouting "Sandy Berger! Sandy Berger! Sandy Berger!" every time Libby's treason is the topic, as if the former somehow balances the scales and excuses the latter. It doesn't.

Thing is, though, if Libby were pardoned, he couldn't plead the Fifth. Bush's actions also suggest this Administration still has much to hide.

Exactly. I correctly predicted that Bush would issue very few pardons, because Bush doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. If he gave any pardons to people in his administration, they would be ones who could hurt him if he didn't. Libby was just the opposite -- someone who could be compelled against Bush only if he did get a pardon, so no way.

People like Dick Cheney think they, as part of the upper-/political class, should have what ever they want. And they do whatever they want to get it, and demand the same from their "punks" like George Bush.

"In fact, although I am sure it wasn't intentional, he actually should thank Bush for not pardoning Libby, because now Libby can still plead the Fifth if ever called to testify in Congress." - DBaker

Cheney obviously knew that, but didn't care? Probably because Libby would have just offered up more lies and obfuscation anyway.

It was pointed out in an earlier thread here that congress is not really very good at catching smart lawyers in their lies. They are more interested in showboating and grandstanding than getting to the actual truth. It took Patrick Fitzgerald three interviews with Libby before he finally got tripped up.

Cheney/Libby was betting that this congress would do no better. As for Bush, I agree with what Steve W said @8:52.

Lynne Cheney involves herself in politics, public speaking and media interviews on behalf of the Bush administration's policies, and she is fair game for criticism.

If memory serves me right, she also made destroying PBS a pet project. -- and a successful one, at that.

tbrosz was justly criticized for his serial asshattery, but his wife should have been out of bounds.

Speaking of asshats, Red State Mike, Sandy Berger was duly punished for his trnasgression, losing hsi security clearance and, consequently, any future in government. As usual, the equivalence you'd like to suggest, no matter how popular it is on the right wing blogs you read, doesn't exist.

Your critical thinking skills are as feeble as your intellectual honesty -- after all, you're a Republican -- but you'd embarrass yourself a lot less if you realized that the stuff you read on right wing blogs isn't the truth, but its opposite.

Jackass.

Do you also recommend prosecution of Diane Feinstein for disclosing a far more important secret, the fact that Predators are flying from Pakistan ? Leahy was once removed from the intelligence committee for similar misbehavior but that was in the days of standards.

Libby should have been pardoned as he was a symbol for all your failures in opposing Bush. Bush Derangement Syndrome in action. Conyers and Maxine Waters are the new face of the Democrats in Congress. Then, of course, there is Rangel who should be chairman of ethics.

In defense of Cheney, anyone with his severe health problems that he lived with from an early age (first heart attack at age 37) might be tempted to make a pact with the devil in exchange for a long life.

Do you also recommend prosecution of Diane Feinstein for disclosing a far more important secret, the fact that Predators are flying from Pakistan ?

Pakistanis didn't know they were cooperating with the U.S. in the "war on terror?" After five years of George Bush parading Musharraf before the cameras saying what a hero he was for cooperating with us in the war on terror? After multiple incursions of our troops into their sovereign nation without so much as a peep from Musharraf? After multiple missile strikes that killed innocent villagers that was not met with so much as a polite "we'd prefer you not do that again" from the Pakistani government?

After Pakistan reopened a supply route that goes straight through their country last week so our troops in Afghanistan could resupply to fight against the Taliban?

Are Pakistanis so dense they don't know their government has been allowing the U.S. to do whatever the hell it pleases in their nation? This is as patently lame as the argument that Al Qaeda didn't know the U.S. spied on telephone calls. I know -- they spoke in code on the phone just for shits and giggles. It gets hella boring out there in the desert.

Do you also recommend prosecution of Diane Feinstein for disclosing a far more important secret, the fact that Predators are flying from Pakistan ?

First, what does that have to do with Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice or the transgression for which Berger was punished? Your premise is faulty, so there's no comparison. Much like the wingnuts' misplaced outrage over the NYT's revelations of the Bush Administration's illegal wiretaps, the so-called "secret" was no such thing to anyone concerned, only the American people, who have a right to know.

Just because the government wants something secret doesn't mean it ought to be. How pathetic that conservatives, who claim to favor liberty, give the benefit of the doubt to government's attempts to block transparency.

To top it off, you act like you're scoring points, when I think it's fair to say that the prevailing attitude here is that DiFi sucks and ought to go. If her indiscretion over the Predators accomplishes that, I'm delighted -- one less Republican in the Senate.

How said that dishonest wingnuts like you have to work so hard even to fail at manufacuring false equivalence.

Libby should have been pardoned as he was a symbol for all your failures in opposing Bush.

A Republican official interfering with a criminal investigation by lying and obstruction of justice is symbolic of the failures to oppose Bush. So, Mike K, you're saying that the other failures to oppose bush were the result of perjury and obstruction of justice as well. Always suspected as much, but thanks for the confirmation.

But if you're confirming it, why the prior effort to distrat attention away from the Bush Administration's criminality? Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

Jackass.

If Cheney needs a pardon, and there is no one around to give it, will we still hear such whining about Scooter Libby? -Kevo

Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

He got pretty much everything he wanted the 9 years he was VP. Went about his business pretty much un-checked and this is what irks him? That pretty much sums up Dick Cheney.

The real surprise is that Bush didn't cave. I assume it was because he knew pardoning Scooter would have screwed up history's interpretation about his presidency even more than it already was. That, and he didn't have to be beholding to Cheney anymore and could screw him like he screwed everyone else. Remember, for Bush loyalty is a one way street.

Don't suppose Cheney's insistence that Libby be pardoned had anything to do with Dick's fear that Libby might write the whole scathing truth about what really happened in the Bush/Cheney administration? That is, if pardoned, Libby might be less apt to tell all?

Not to ruin a good old fashion Feinstein-bashin', but where else would the CIA Predators be based instead of Pakistan?

Launched from the Indian Ocean? They don't have the legs to cross the length of Pakistan, plus you run the risk of someone detecting them.

From Afghanistan or India? As much as Pakistan protests the attacks, they would go completely apeshit if those attacks came from Predators based in either of those two countries.

As for "failure opposing Bush", whose party lost Congress in 2006, and then the White House in 2008? Also, who has a lower approval with the majority of Americans?

Which side failed?

On the stand in an eventual civil trial by the Wilsons against Cheney, a sentence-commuted Libby may be quite a different witness than a pardoned Libby. What Cheney may have in mind when he expresses his disappointment is the distinct possibility of his day in court, one in which a 9-figure damage award may be at stake. Pardoned Libby may be able to change his story somewhat vs. his prior testimony in Fitzgerald's prosecution, but sentence-commuted Libby may have a viable testimony space not much larger than a postage stamp. Good plaintiff's attorney's can exploit that, especially if the CIA wants the plaintiffs to win the case.

Many intel people died because of that leak.

"...might be tempted to make a pact with the devil...". Luther @ 11:19 AM.
Might? MIGHT?
"Many intel people died because of that leak." posted by bjobotts @ 7:19 Pm.
Sources, please (otherwise you could face the same fate as RedState Mike and become known as a pusher of non-sequitorial drivel).