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February 17, 2009

WHEN PAT ROBERTSON BECOMES THE VOICE OF REASON.... When do you know Rush Limbaugh has gone too far? When TV preacher Pat Robertson questions his rhetoric and judgment. (via Faiz Shakir)

Robertson told U.S. News that he wants to give President Obama "the benefit of every doubt, and I definitely hope he succeeds." Dan Gilgoff followed up, asking, "So, you don't subscribe to Rush Limbaugh's 'I hope he fails' school of thought?" Robertson responded:

"That was a terrible thing to say. I mean, he's the president of all the country. If he succeeds, the country succeeds. And if he doesn't, it hurts us all. Anybody who would pull against our president is not exactly thinking rationally."

I'm not at all accustomed to agreeing with Robertson. It's a strange feeling.

As for Robertson's criticism of Limbaugh, I'm reluctant to get in the middle of that pie fight, but I'd note that this is the same Pat Robertson who blamed 9/11 on Americans, believes he has the ability to move hurricanes with his mind, welcomed a terrorist attack on the U.S. State Department, and once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

When he says Limbaugh is not "thinking rationally," it's safe to assume Limbaugh has gone completely around the bend.

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Careful, now - His ushers are just starting to send collection plates down the pews. Best leave early before the "Almost Persuaded" begins.

Posted by: berttheclock on February 17, 2009 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

It sounds to me as if Robertson is upset because Limbaugh's getting more of the freakazoid-fringe-lunatic christfascist limelight than he is....

Posted by: Steve W. on February 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

Robertson would also say you're not thinking rationally either because you don't think Robertson can move hurricanes with his mind.

Posted by: American Citizen on February 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK

I'd be cautious about ascribing a rational opinion to Robertson. More likely, he's talking over the head of the interviewer directly to his audience-- telling them that a direct assault on authority is not regarded as a good thing. Yet.

Posted by: MattF on February 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe somebody finally told Pat that Rush is a serial divorcing drug addict, some preachers don't care for those types.

Posted by: Capt Kirk on February 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

this is the same Pat Robertson who blamed 9/11 on Americans, believes he has the ability to move hurricanes with his mind, welcomed a terrorist attack on the U.S. State Department, and once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

When he says Limbaugh is not "thinking rationally," it's safe to assume Limbaugh has gone completely around the bend.

True dat.

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on February 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

I expect a call to Pat from Rush et al. forthwith, followed by a retraction from Pat that his comments were "taken out of context; of course I agree with Rush, he's a true Patriot" etc. etc.

Posted by: terraformer on February 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM | PERMALINK

One of the serious problems with opiates from Morphine all the way to OCT is that as you go deeper into addiction, you start to lose your grasp on reality hence the term "pipe dreams" as in opium pipe dreams.

The most powerful opiate addict of all time was Mao who was hooked on codeine sleeping pills. Despite his brilliance at guerrilla warfare, he was also the author of the infamous Great Leap Forward and the disastrous Cultural Revolution.

Looks like Rush is on a pipe, or in this case, pill dream.

Posted by: Former Dan on February 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

When he says Limbaugh is not "thinking rationally," it's safe to assume Limbaugh has gone completely around the bend.

Nonsense. Limbaugh isn't being irrational --he's just being an uberdick; Robertson is nuttier than a fruitcake.

Posted by: Monty on February 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

I certainly hoped that Bush and Cheney would fail.

They were career white collar crooks who seized power by stealing an election, with a very clear plan to use the power of the federal government for corrupt purposes of private financial gain -- to enrich themselves and their ultra-rich cronies and financial backers in the military-industrial-petroleum-financial complex at the expense of, and to the detriment of, the American people.

Of course I hoped they would fail.

And to the extent that Cheney and Bush succeeded in their plans, the American people have suffered. To the extent that they failed in their plans, there is still hope that we can preserve what they did not destroy, and perhaps recover some of what we have lost.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on February 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

Careful with your principles of logic -- often enough, when Roberts thinks someone is acting irrationally, in fact it means that they are acting quite rationally. You can't presume to much from one data point.

Posted by: Barbara on February 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

Robertson has a lot of his wealth tied up in the finance industry. Robertson cannot afford for Obama to fail saving the ruling class' wealth.

Posted by: Brojo on February 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

Robertson is to a stopped clock as...

Posted by: doubtful on February 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

but I'd note that this is the same Pat Robertson who....once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

That's insane. Everyone knows it's the Lutherans.

Posted by: Stefan on February 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

I'm pretty sure this is a sign of the apocalypse.

Posted by: Personal Failure on February 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM | PERMALINK

You know, there are really two Pat Robertsons. One talks rationally to U.S. News. And then there's the one that you see on the 700 Club, who's quite different and very radical. A nice grandfatherly type of guy telling us how we're all going to hell in a handbasket.

Posted by: Cathy on February 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

I agree with Monty above, and disagree with Steve (and the reverend). Limbaugh is being perfectly rational. If Obama failed, that would be very good indeed for the anti-constitution American right.

It would be very bad for Americans, and for America, and for much of the rest of the world as well. But it would be great for Limbaugh and his paymasters; and the droolers and knuckledraggers who take their marching orders from Limbaugh would doubtless try their very hardest to insist it was good for them as well.

Posted by: Mrs Tilton on February 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM | PERMALINK

I checked with the guy who lives under the bridge down the road from my house - he thinks they're both crazy.

Posted by: Noam Sane on February 17, 2009 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Poor Limpballs. Clear Channel (who just gave him a $400 million dollar contract) is about to go bankrupt. Kinda puts a crimp in El Rushbo's image of himself as Supreme Ruler of the Universe, which is no doubt why he's frothing at the mouth more than usual. Heh.

Posted by: dalloway on February 17, 2009 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

This might sound like oh-so-much parsing, but I hadn't wanted Bush & Cheney to fail, per se. What I hoped (admittedly and knowingly in vain) was for them to have a Dickensian/Scrooge-esque moment where they'd realize their ideas and ideals were failed ideas & ideals. I hoped they'd start to realize how they were tearing the coutnry apart with their blatant lies. I hoped they'd fight the wars they started with honor, and that one day they could prove their theories about Hussein and WMD.

And once it was more than clear none of those things happened, I'd hope they would fail, for all our sakes.

Posted by: slappy magoo on February 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

. . .but I'd note that this is the same Pat Robertson who....once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

That's insane. Everyone knows it's the Lutherans.
Posted by: Stefan

Yes. But only Wisconsin Synod.

Posted by: Jeff II on February 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

Fundamentalist Christians believe that you should support elected officials, because that is what the bible says. So I think Robertson is being rational only by accident.

Posted by: jim on February 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

I seem to remember Robertson occasionally sounding sane (relatively) recently. I suspect he senses that the wind is changing, and is tacking with it to salvage what little is left of is relevance.

All the same, it's a great hoot to hear him ripping Rush. However will his flock deal with the cognitive dissonance?

Posted by: jrosen on February 17, 2009 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

woah...surreal.
On the other hand it does tend to support the theory that even a blind squirrel can find a nut from time to time.

Posted by: Cognitive Dissident on February 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

Yes. But only Wisconsin Synod.

I believe you mean Missouri Synod or, as I call it, the Great Whore of Missouri.

Posted by: Stefan on February 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

. . .but I'd note that this is the same Pat Robertson who....once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

That's insane. Everyone knows it's the Lutherans.

But only Wisconsin Synod.

Hey -- watch yer mouth. Or you're going be attacked by an angry Mob armed with green bean and mushroom soup casserole.

The attack will come before six some evening. Because the potluck starts promptly at 6:30.

Posted by: Unca Paul on February 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

"However will his flock deal with the cognitive dissonance?"

The comments so far at US News on this article indicate that the answer is, "Not well."

Popcorn time!! :o)

Posted by: genome on February 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK

Pat not wanting failure is related to his massive investments more than any patriotism.

Posted by: Don Lowell on February 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM | PERMALINK
this is the same Pat Robertson who blamed 9/11 on Americans, believes he has the ability to move hurricanes with his mind, welcomed a terrorist attack on the U.S. State Department, and once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."
Robertson also, when he was dissatisfied with the composition of the Supreme Court, asked God to whack a few of the older justices. Really. Posted by: navamske on February 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

They're both irrational, but Robertson has a bit of decent bone in him and Limbaugh is just totally cynically evil.

Posted by: Neil B on February 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

"...it' safe to assume Limbaugh has gone completely around the bend."
And this is news?

Posted by: Doug on February 17, 2009 at 7:09 PM | PERMALINK

and once described Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists as "the spirit of the Antichrist."

Well isn't Robertson a Southern Baptist, and don't Baptists believe they're the only ones who will go to heaven because they are the true Christians?

Posted by: pol on February 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

Pat Robertson calling for temperance. When that happens to you, you know you’re on the wrong side of an issue! Here is a clip of a call to the Rush Limbaugh Show. Unbelievable indeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb82jM9zTmQ

Posted by: Greg on February 18, 2009 at 3:55 AM | PERMALINK

In a celebrity roast of Rob Reiner, comedian Jeffrey Ross said, "David Crosby thinks you've let yourself go."

It can now be said of comedian Rush Limbaugh that, "Pat Robertson thinks you're 'not exactly thinking rationally'."

Posted by: Kevin on February 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM | PERMALINK

Steve,

I'm sorry I have to correct you on this, but it wasn't Robertson who made the infamous 9/11 quote-- it was Falwell while on the 700 Club. They weren't in the studio together and Robertson sort of agreed with Falwell as Falwell was speaking, although it could be argued that he was just sort of nodding along.

On a scale where you have evil on one side and crazy on the other, Robertson is more crazy than anything else at this point. (Once the Christian Coalition collapsed and Robertson stopped having any real political power, anyways.) Rush, on the other hand, is firmly planted in the evil camp-- he lies and exaggerates and demonizes people in a way that is truly repugnant. If there is ever an angry, white male uprising in this country Rush will be their leader.

Posted by: zoe kentucky from pittsburgh on February 18, 2009 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

One other thing, Robertson has been strangely magnanimous towards Obama ever since last fall. Although it is still bizarre to have Robertson pointing out the obvious-- that anyone who wishes for Obama to fail is actually wishing for the country to fail.

Posted by: zoe kentucky from pittsburgh on February 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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