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February 19, 2009

BOB MCDONNELL'S BAD MEMORY.... It'll generate more attention as the election gets closer, but Virginia is home to a competitive gubernatorial race this year, and Sean Trende has a rundown of the various factors in the open-seat contest. There's one angle, though, that stood out.

Ed Kilgore directed our attention to this item from Trende's overview, regarding former state Attorney General Bob McDonnell, the likely Republican candidate.

Regardless of who the Democrat is, much will depend on the performance and perception of Bob McDonnell. As mentioned above, McDonnell avoids many of the problems that have beset previous Republican nominees. But there is one potential problem -- he is a bona fide social conservative. McDonnell will likely be attacked for his law degree from Regent University (founded by Pat Robertson), and comments he made while he was a Delegate to the effect that anyone engaging in oral or anal sex could be found in violation of Virginia's "crimes against nature" law (he also claimed not to remember whether he had ever violated the law).

Kilgore noted, "Yeah, I don't think it will be too long before every late-night comic in the world has some high-profile fun with McDonnell's 2003 comment that he doesn't really recall whether he's ever violated the state's sodomy laws. And he's not well positioned ideologically to claim that this is a 'private' or 'family' matter."

Right. McDonnell insisted that those who engage in oral or anal sex should be eligible for prosecution. Asked if he'd ever personally committed this "crime," McDonnell told reporters, "Not that I can recall."

So, McDonnell might have violated Virginia's "crimes against nature" law; he's just not sure. It is, by my standards, slightly worse than, "I didn't inhale."

To be sure, I don't care what McDonnell does (or has done) in his bedroom, and there are going to be far more important policy issues at stake in the election. But given that the likely Republican candidate, who got his degree from a radical televangelist, believes in prosecuting Virginians based on their sexual practices, and isn't sure whether he's personally committed this same "crime," I wouldn't be surprised if voters heard more about this as the Virginia campaign progresses.

Steve Benen 1:45 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (30)
 
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If it helps get some of the crazy (and I mean CRAZY) sex "offenses" out of the Virginia penal code, I'm all for it.

Posted by: alexandrian on February 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK

slightly worse than, "I didn't inhale

but not as bad as "I didn't swal..." - oh never mind.

Posted by: Danp on February 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

McDonnell may be hoping that downstate Virginia voters regard Northern Virginia as Sodom-on-the-Potomac. Hard to see how that strategy would work, given his, um, memory lapses.

Posted by: MattF on February 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, his lack of recall on oral sex could be a real blow to his candidacy.

Posted by: gradysu on February 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM | PERMALINK

I will never cease to be amused by the right wing obsession with other peoples sex lives. Somewhere, a wingnut knows someone is getting better sex than they are, and they can't stand it.

No wonder right wing men make such lousy lovers; they don't go down, nor do the frigid frumps they married don't either. Oh sure, they have coitus, but they never fuck down and dirty like an animal.

Maybe that's why Vitter had to visit whores, did you ever see his wife? Eck.

Posted by: Aftermath on February 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

He can't recall if he's ever had a BJ? Man, that must have been one bad BJ.

Posted by: lcross on February 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

If you want proof that evolution can go backwards, look at Virginia:

The Commonwealth started out with Washington and Jefferson and Madison and Marshall and so many more brilliant products of the Enlightenment. And now? A Pat Robertson alum with a good chance of becoming governor.

Sad ... oh so sad.

Posted by: K on February 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

First of all, if he can't remember if he's had oral or anal sex, someone was doing it wrong.

Secondly, if that stuff is illegal, my Friday nights just got a lot less interesting ...

;-)

Posted by: Mark D on February 19, 2009 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, his lack of recall on oral sex could be a real blow to his candidacy.

That would really suck.

Posted by: "Fair and Balanced" Dave on February 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon, lay off the guy. We've all had a few forgettable anal sex experiences.

Posted by: steve duncan on February 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

"Not that I can recall" isn't how you say you don't remember -- it's how you say No while leaving yourself an out should someone produce evidence that you actually did.

Posted by: Gwen on February 19, 2009 at 2:07 PM | PERMALINK

He can't recall if he's ever had a BJ? Man, that must have been one bad BJ.

Icross-It may have been bad, but likely not his worst. I for one, will never forget my worst.

Posted by: Steve on February 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

How to tell a Republican from a Repug.

If you hear this, he is a REPUG!

"McDonnell told reporters, "Not that I can recall." "

Posted by: barkleyg on February 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM | PERMALINK

There once was a man from Virginia
Who said "Mind the way it's put in ya."
But he can't recall
If ever at all
He's ever committed that sin, yeah.

Posted by: gradysu on February 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK

Its not that his recall on BJs is lacking; its his recall on anal sex. Being a a through&through total repuke-lican prick. Insensitive to all feelings.

That's why he can't recall taking it up the rear.

Though, I do agree with all excellent comments above as well.

Posted by: sduffys on February 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

Aaaaaaand gradysu wins the thread.

Posted by: Keori on February 19, 2009 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if it is a crime if "it" is performed in another location than the bedroom. I always hear about politicians invading our bedrooms, as if that is the only place where sex takes place. What about the kitchen, back seat of the car, haystack, storeroom, public restroom, a meadow...? Are we now prohibited from enjoying the pleasures of sex in unauthorized locations as well as body positions and the organs involved?

Thank God, and I do use that term it its most inclusive and immense nature, that the world is making its transition to a new paradigm of acceptance and cooperation. The old passes away, but not without putting up a good fight.

I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

Posted by: st john on February 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

Tangentially, I've never had any trouble believing Bill Clinton didn't inhale. I knew plenty of people in high school and college (knew, hell, I married one) who gave pot a single half-hearted try, proclaimed they didn't like it and never touched it again. Almost all of them were hardcore grade grinders and student government types, just like I assume Clinton was.

Posted by: gogiggs on February 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

gave pot a single half-hearted try, proclaimed they didn't like it and never touched it again. Almost all of them were hardcore grade grinders and student government types

Or heavy drinkers -- I was, and pot never did anything for me.

(If I ever run for office and am asked if I smoked pot, I'm going to steal Kathleen Turner's response in Romancing the Stone: a blank stare and a flat "I went to college.")

Posted by: Gregory on February 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

Keori, agreed. If ever a guy cried out for a limerick, McDonnell does. And Gradysu nailed it.

Posted by: lcross on February 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK

"I wouldn't be surprised if voters heard more about this as the Virginia campaign progresses."

Yeah, but please keep quiet about it until AFTER he gets the ReThug nomination.

Posted by: Cal Gal on February 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

How about doggy style? I don't think it can be said to be a crime against "nature" since that's pretty much how "nature" does "it," but since it's not "missionary" I suppose it is a crime against God.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on February 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

I personally consider it a Crime Against Nature to let any Regent University graduate reproduce.

Posted by: Bill on February 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

"I wouldn't be surprised if voters heard more about this as the Virginia campaign progresses."

Oh. Yippee. I can't wait. Just think of the visuals.

And I think Danp, way up there, wins the thread with "but not as bad as 'I didn't swal....'" I loved Gradsyu's limerick, but for some reason it reminded me of Sarah Palin, which always loses me, no matter what.

Posted by: tina on February 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Gradysu hands down. Or wherever they allow people to put their hand in Virginia. And Sarah Palin couldn't write a laundry list let alone a limerick.

Posted by: edpar on February 19, 2009 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

As for McDonnell, a better rejoinder would have been Samuel Jackson's line in the awesomely bad Renny Harlin / Geena Davis vehicle The Long Kiss Goodnight: "The last time I got blown, candy bars cost a nickel."

(Not to be outdone, at one point Davis snarls at a pursuer, "Suck my dick!")

Posted by: Gregory on February 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

"You are in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history."

Posted by: R. Williams on February 19, 2009 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK

This sounds to me like the "I was so drunk last night I don't remember what I did" defense.

Posted by: T-Rex on February 19, 2009 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK

Trouble is, if McDonnell runs against the loathsome, "all money, no soul" centrist Terry McAuliffe -- someone who's identified with Bill Clinton -- both sides are going to have indiscretions as political fodder. (One shudders at the likely tone of such a campaign.) Another reason why it's crucial Virginia Democrats choose Moran or Deeds to run instead.

Posted by: Vincent on February 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

McDonnell's first act as governor will be to change Virginia's slogan to "Virginia is for Spouses"

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on February 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM | PERMALINK




 

 
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