February 25, 2009
SO MUCH FOR THE JINDAL BREAKTHROUGH.... Expectations were high for Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) last night, delivering the Republican response to the president's address to Congress. Practically every feature on the young governor includes the words "rising star" and "2012," and this was going to be his chance to shine on the national stage.
Instead, we're left with five simple words: "not ready for prime time."
To be sure, it's a tough -- and risky -- gig. These response speeches are very difficult to pull off, and very few manage to appear impressive. (Jim Webb was great a few years ago, but he was more the exception than the rule.) Jindal not only was given a tough assignment, he had to try to follow President Obama, who had just set a very high bar by delivering a terrific national address.
But context notwithstanding, Jindal was something of a disaster. The delivery was awkward and sing-song (comparisons to Kenneth from "30 Rock" are ubiquitous). The arguments were tone-deaf and tiresome. The anecdotes were long and pointless. Jindal hadn't quite practiced enough with a teleprompter. He not only seemed like a guy selling a bad product in an infomercial, Jindal seemed like he was new at it.
It was painful to watch, both because the speech was bad and because it was hard not to feel bad for the guy embarrassing himself on national television.
On one of the cable networks, viewers were told that Jindal was "almost childish," and this "was not Bobby Jindal's greatest oratorical moment." The network? Fox News.
I was under the impression that the whole point of inviting Jindal to offer the Republican response was to present the public with something new and different. But as bad as Jindal's performance was, his ideas were even worse -- tax cuts, drilling, school vouchers, spending bad, government bad. Why bother picking a fresh face if all the party has to offer is stale ideas? Why ask a young governor with a reputation for innovation to present the same old agenda that the GOP has pitched for a generation?
Consider David Brooks' take from last night on PBS:
"You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician, and I oppose the stimulus because I thought it was poorly drafted. But to come up at this moment in history with a stale 'government is the problem,' 'we can't trust the federal government' -- it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic right now. They may not like the way the Democrats have passed the stimulus bill, but that idea that we're just gonna -- that government is going to have no role, the federal government has no role in this, that -- in a moment when only the federal government is actually big enough to do stuff, to just ignore all that and just say 'government is the problem, corruption, earmarks, wasteful spending,' it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate. Some people say the Republican Party lost its way because they got too moderate. Some people say they got too weird or too conservative. He thinks they got too moderate, and so he's making that case. I think it's insane, and I just think it's a disaster for the party."
My friend Tom Schaller added, "Someday, when scholars are trying to fingerpoint the nadir of the post-Bush Republican Party, they may arrive at Jindal's speech tonight. Though it was a tough moment for any Republican to give the opposition response, his speech came across as unserious in content and condescending in its tone."
Politicians can recover from awful speeches, but it'll be a while until Jindal lives this one down. A few years from now, when Jindal gets ready to run for president, conservatives will express excitement -- and then hesitate when they remember just how bad he was in late February, 2009.
—Steve Benen 7:55 AM
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Steve,
Why do you continue to point to David Brooks as anyone with credibility?
Posted by: SadOldVet on February 25, 2009 at 7:56 AM | PERMALINK
After Obama spent an hour talking to us like adults Jindal sounded like he was addressing a room of kindergarteners. Ugh. It made my skin crawl.
I actually think that might have been Obama's best speech-- he was relaxed and warm in a way that we haven't seen before. I don't think anyone can question whether or not he seems up to the job, he embodied the job last night. He was commanding and smart, assertive and optimistic, as well as warm and compassionate.
Posted by: zoe kentucky on February 25, 2009 at 7:56 AM | PERMALINK
"I opposed the stimulus because it's poorly drafted"
Really? An emergency plan to save the planet from spiralling down into economic oblivion and Brooks objects because it's poorly drafted?
(AP) Martha's Vinyard, July 4, 2009 - Columnist David Brooks drowned today in strong offshore currents after refusing the help of rescuers because they weren't properly attired in lifeguard swim trucks.
Posted by: Yellow Dog on February 25, 2009 at 8:00 AM | PERMALINK
Perhaps, like Gary Locke, he can recover to the extent of becoming Commerce Secretary some day -- though I believe the GOP hides its bodies in the Labor Department.
Posted by: Davis X. Machina on February 25, 2009 at 8:02 AM | PERMALINK
Why did no one at the GOP realize that someone who sounds like Kenneth from 30 Rock is never going to be taken seriously in politics?
Posted by: Shalimar on February 25, 2009 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK
Politicians can recover from awful speeches, but it'll be a while until Jindal lives this one down.
This was also said of McCain's green screen speech, and then along came Sarah. But it did have that "Bush explains government to the third grade" kind of feel to it.
Posted by: Danp on February 25, 2009 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK
For the record, I also thought Obama gave a fine speech. Right balance of warning and proposals, facts and emotions. The girl from Dillon SC was a bit of a cheap shot, but I felt like crying anyway.
I hope Jindal's awful reBUTTal is not the nadir of the GOP. My guess is that the 2010 mid-terms will take that prize, if there are any signs of recovery at all.
BTW, Steve, David Brooks is the anti-Christ. Stop quoting him before he starts sounding reasonable to you.
Posted by: Richard Greenslade on February 25, 2009 at 8:04 AM | PERMALINK
As pathetic as it was, his speech was no different from the disjointed, disconnected ramblings of George Bush and most contemporary Republicans: No relation to any known realities. Meaning, this guy's got a huge future!
Posted by: MissMudd on February 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK
Well, evidently Jindal has no plans of ever winning votes from anyone living near a volcano . . .
Posted by: rea on February 25, 2009 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK
The Republican Party appears to have taken on a vow of poverty- as long as it's everyone else in poverty. It is time they tried the vow a silence, or at least try it for the Season of Lent.
Posted by: effluviantOne on February 25, 2009 at 8:09 AM | PERMALINK
it was hard not to feel bad for the guy embarrassing himself on national television?
Gee, Steve, you are way too polite and forgiving (and just don't try hard enough). There are only two real emotions towards lying pricks like Jindal (and while dim bulbs like, say Richard Shelby, may actually believe their drivel, Jindal is too smart not to be aware of the stream of lies and distorions he delivers in service of his heartless ideology): hatred and, God willing, schadenfreude.
Posted by: Marlowe on February 25, 2009 at 8:11 AM | PERMALINK
I asked my wife what she thought of Jindal's speech. She reflected for a moment and simply said "He's a Republican." I think that says it all.
Republicans actually believe the old "policies" that got us into this mess are the "solutions" to our current problems. How sad for them. How sad for us if we believe them.
Posted by: Ron Byers on February 25, 2009 at 8:13 AM | PERMALINK
Jindal is too smart not to be aware of the stream of lies and distorions he delivers in service of his heartless ideology
Yeah. This is a guy who's 37 years old and very smart. He knows better and he's not so old as to be set in his ways and out of touch with modern realities to say what he's saying. And yet, he said all of that stuff anyway.
To be fair, I'm sure it's all worked for him before.
Posted by: Tyro on February 25, 2009 at 8:20 AM | PERMALINK
I was moved by Jindal's story of his family's hardships when they immigrated to America. Clearly Jindal's character was forged by the experience. He's a great governor, and some day will be a great president.
Posted by: Al on February 25, 2009 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK
Well, evidently Jindal has no plans of ever winning votes from anyone living near a volcano . . .
That comment reminded me of a bad stand-up act.
"Sugar-free chocolate? Who's that for?"
"Diabetics, you asshole."
Posted by: TR on February 25, 2009 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK
Asked my wife a similar question; she replied "Belly Flop"
If the belly flop had been added to diving competitions, he would have scored a 9.9.
Posted by: berttheclock on February 25, 2009 at 8:22 AM | PERMALINK
If Jindal had any sense (instead of an all-consuming ambition), he'd hold off running in 2012 and wait until 2016.
That way, he'd have more time to get ready for prime time, and he wouldn't have to run against Obama.
But, like Sarah Palin, I think his ambition is going to get the best of him (if it hasn't already).
Posted by: rob! on February 25, 2009 at 8:27 AM | PERMALINK
As I said above, Jindal has a future. A few quotes from one of my favorite right-wing blog:
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"Unfortunately, you're more focused on how the message was made than the actual message."
The message was outstanding, and we don't need all of our lawmakers to speak as if they're giving a Sunday sermon"
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"Jindal has plenty of time to improve where he needs improving. All is not lost!"
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"I would have paid to see some cleavage tonight from Anchorage."
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"Bravo Bobby! I only disagreed with him once. Obama doesn't have a great American story. It's filled with drugs, holes and lack of clarity, and a lot of running from his past. Bobby Jindal has the American story I want to celebrate."
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"Jindal wins hands down. He radiates honesty, sincerity, intelligence, plain talk, and All-American values."
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"People will be hungering for the real deal, no matter how he or she is packaged, in four years. Well, no, better make that four months..."
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Posted by: MissMudd on February 25, 2009 at 8:29 AM | PERMALINK
Jindal has a unique problem if he's considering running for Pres in 2012. His re-election for Gov would be in Nov 2011, which if he goes that route, doesn't give him any time to announce a run for Pres and be ready for Jan 2012 Iowa caucuses. He may be testing the waters, but I can't see him doing both.
Posted by: Danp on February 25, 2009 at 8:32 AM | PERMALINK
Yes, the folksiness of Jindal's speech was akin to that of 30 Rock's Kenneth, or Sarah Palin for that matter. But Kenneth and Pallin seems comfortable in their folksiness; Jindal does not, making him seem all the more ridiculous.
But I wouldn't count him out just yet. The whole format of the rebuttal speeach (less time, no live audience to react and react to, etc.) is not particularly conducive to looking good.
Posted by: Michael J on February 25, 2009 at 8:36 AM | PERMALINK
If Jindal is the future of the Republican party, then all of the political scientist should start modeling how the U.S. will function as a one party state.
If president Obama hand picks his successor in 2016, the U.S. could go multiple presidential elections with there being no doubt who will win.
Maybe the Repubicans should think about skipping the 2012 election isstead of sending out someone like Palin or Jindal who will lose in a 50 state rout.
Posted by: superdestroyer on February 25, 2009 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK
I think it's interesting that Jindal proudly admitted that he is, by GOP definition, an "anchor baby."
Posted by: zoe kentucky on February 25, 2009 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK
Jindal speech= the Mr. Rogers shool of public speaking.
Posted by: Gandalf on February 25, 2009 at 8:42 AM | PERMALINK
I didn't watch Jindal's speech, but I just read the transcript and this line jumped out at me:
"Republicans believe in a simple principle: No American should have to worry about losing their health care coverage, period. We stand for universal access to affordable health care coverage."
Uhm ... since when?
Posted by: Hoosier Paul on February 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK
Gandalf, I know you didn't intend to disparage Fred Rogers; nevertheless, I'd invite you to take a look at Mister Rogers talking to grownups:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2883185966575573317
Posted by: scott_m on February 25, 2009 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK
Bobby Jindal said....
I didn't sleep very well last night; I kept waking up laughing after dreaming that "the Republican response" was a circus music CD playing in the background while some off-screen announcer kept bellowing, "Send in the clown!"
"SEND IN THE CLOWN!!!"
And here I thought that Palin was their bottom-of-the-barrel moment. Obviously, they've chopped through the bottom of that barrel with a fire-axe, and are now reaching into the truly-ridiculous netherworld of NeanderCon silliness....
"SEND IN THE CLOWN!!!!!!!"
Posted by: Steve W. on February 25, 2009 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK
"Someday, when scholars are trying to fingerpoint the nadir of the post-Bush Republican Party, they may arrive at Jindal's speech..."
For me, the moment when I thought "Sheesh, the GOP really are dead (at last)" was when (watching on C-SPAN) Obama repeatedly said what America (by a poll-verified huge majority) needed to hear and the GOP repeatedly sat on their hands.
They are so out of step with America. They will not fare well in the next few years.
Posted by: kleven-stein on February 25, 2009 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK
When I was in my 20s, I frequented an open mic nite at a comedy club on the Jersey Shore. On my BEST days, I was moderately entertaining, but one handicap beyond my meager skills was that the crowd, by & large, consisted of the same people week after week. So no matter how I'd try to whittle & hone my jokes, they weren't new to the people hearing them. They got stale, fast. So I had to suck it up & bring new stuff, and more of it, each week I went.
I was thinking of this during the Jindal response. The GOP had a choice of repeating the same old bits to the same (old) audience, or take a chance with something new to an audience craving new. They've apparently decided that a new face delivering the old bits is as new as they're gonna get, and that'll make their greatest hits, which aren't great at all, seem fresh & new.
(thump thump) Is this thing on?
Someone shine the light on Bobby. He needs to wrap it up & get some new material.
Posted by: slappy magoo on February 25, 2009 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK
Really, the whole speech was just creepy on about 15 different levels. Yuck. I've never heard this guy speak at length and was curious on how he'd do. mr. shortstop and I couldn't stop laughing when we got around to picking up our lower jaws.
I think it's interesting that Jindal proudly admitted that he is, by GOP definition, an "anchor baby."
That made me laugh last night, too, zoe. I wonder how the GOP will spin that.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 9:04 AM | PERMALINK
Nothing like watching a bunch of liberals whistling past the graveyard. You people are obviously threatened by Jindal like you're threatened by Palin. Will Obama be able to withstand the onslaught of young talent pointed his way in 2012? We'll see.
Posted by: Myke K on February 25, 2009 at 9:07 AM | PERMALINK
...when Jindal gets ready to run for president, conservatives will express excitement -- and then hesitate when they remember just how bad he was in late February, 2009.
No Steve, most of them don't even realize it was bad - to them, he was a heroic waver of a tattered battle flag to spite a snobby elite blah blah - to hell with what dorks like David Brooks have to say about it, they're just smarmy traitors to the true cause ...
Posted by: Neil B ♪ ♫ on February 25, 2009 at 9:08 AM | PERMALINK
Politicians can recover from awful speeches.
Think of Clinton's nominating speech for Dukakis.
Jindal, unfortunately, will be back.
Posted by: TPO on February 25, 2009 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
More on David Brooks and Jindal:
On "Charlie Rose," David Brooks called the Louisiana Republican's remarks the worst response to a speech ever, and added--as if that wasn't clear--"That response from the most prominent Republican competition was to me an unmitigated disaster."
Posted by: Sheridan on February 25, 2009 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK
Mike K, please tell us you're a parody like "Al". But you do have a point: as awful as the Jindals and Palins are, there are enough easily-diddled idiots out there (like ...) to possibly vote them in. Hence I sure hope Obama succeeds, both for the sake of the nation and to prevent such wretched competition from succeeding (you want him to succeed, at least for the USA, don't you?)
Posted by: Neil B ☺ on February 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM | PERMALINK
If you were watching both speeches on MSNBC last night then you already know that Rachel Maddow's take on Jindal's speech was hilarious -- she was absolutely gobsmacked at a governor of Louisiana who would "invoke government failure during (Hurricane) Katrina as a model for how to move forward as a country. I know that I'm paid to talk for a living ... I am incapable of doing what I'm paid to do right now. I'm absolutely stunned."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkEBtpcIVE4
As for me, I'm surprised no one seems to be questioning Jindal's chest beating about how great Louisiana has been doing thanks to him and his push for nothing but all sorts of tax cuts which, according to him, would also cure the economy on a national level. Well, I just checked and according to biz.gov, Louisiana's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate was 4.0% in Dec. 2007, 5.6% in Oct. 2008, 5.3% in Nov. 2008 and 5.9% in Dec. 2008. Somebody on NPR this morning said Louisiana is losing 400 jobs per day -- I wonder how all those poor sods feel about Mr. Charisma thumbing his nose at a Federally-funded extension of unemployment benefits.
Posted by: 3reddogs on February 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM | PERMALINK
zoe kentucky wrote: "After Obama spent an hour talking to us like adults Jindal sounded like he was addressing a room of kindergarteners."
Jindal was addressing the Republican dittohead base. So he had to dumb it down from kindergarten level.
Like Sarah Palin's campaign, Jindal's speech targeted the hard-core dittohead base with the button-pushing bumper-sticker slogans that pass for "ideas" in the corporate-sponsored, talk-radio-programmed, pseudo-ideological cult known as "conservatism" in America today.
The fact that the Republicans feel the need to use such a high-profile opportunity as this speech to try to hold on to the people that even David Brooks refers to as "too weird and too conservative" is a sign of weakness.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on February 25, 2009 at 9:15 AM | PERMALINK
I changed the station after his first homily! Wheel of Fortune was just calling out my name, so Jindal had to go! -Kevo
Posted by: kevo on February 25, 2009 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK
I used to write speeches for Republicans, and I wrote last night's speech many times myself -- 30 years ago. One of the commentators used the word "unserious" to describe the speech. That's exactly the word I used last night as I watched it, as well. It was also self-indulgent. Watching Jindal make a fool of himself I imagined a bunch of pampered College Republicans yucking it up among themseleves about an $8 billion Disney monorail from LA to Vegas at a time when the rest of us are wondering how high unemployment might go. But it was clear from the start that Jindal wasn't talking to us. He was talking to the Republican Party. And the idea that the Republican Party at this moment in our history really believes we are on our own to muddle through as best we can is truly breathtaking.
Posted by: Ted Frier on February 25, 2009 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK
Oh, that's Myke K, maybe explaining something ...
Posted by: N e i l B on February 25, 2009 at 9:16 AM | PERMALINK
Listeners were better served by this toad Jindal than would have been the case had Hailey Barbour tried to speak English.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr on February 25, 2009 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK
Nothing like watching a bunch of liberals whistling past the graveyard. You people are obviously threatened by Jindal like you're threatened by Palin. Will Obama be able to withstand the onslaught of young talent pointed his way in 2012? We'll see.
Posted by: Myke K on February 25, 2009 at 9:07 AM |
Yes! Thank you, Myke, for some straight talk at last!
I personally cannot WAIT to see the Bobby-Sarie base-off. How the man who repaired the damage of eight years of El Busho will ever compete against the bloody shreds of the repugs that result from that smackdown is hard to imagine.
Posted by: Yellow Dog on February 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK
The fact that the Republicans feel the need to use such a high-profile opportunity as this speech to try to hold on to the people that even David Brooks refers to as "too weird and too conservative" is a sign of weakness.
As he so often is, SecularAnimist's right. Jindal and the GOP leadership had a choice last night. They went with red meat for the whacked base in a speech that was anathema to the rest of the country. They couldn't appeal to both. They made the wrong choice, bless 'em.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK
Comparisons to Kenneth from "30 Rock" are ubiquitous
Further proving that the most potent force in American politics right now is... Tina Fey.
:)
Posted by: Bernard HP Gilroy on February 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK
Dems were down on Kathleen Sebelius a year or so ago after Bush's State of the Union. Jindal's was even more tone-deaf.
Posted by: Quinn on February 25, 2009 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK
I was struck that Jindal was so strongly going for the ever-dwindling GOP base. Is he still reading from Rove's playbook, is he concerned not cede this ground to Palin in '12, is he concerned about his "unusual" biography?
The next GOP president is going to come from the middle and cajole or force the base to come along. Jindal did not seem to be that guy last night.
Posted by: hoi polloi on February 25, 2009 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK
They've apparently decided that a new face delivering the old bits is as new as they're gonna get, and that'll make their greatest hits, which aren't great at all, seem fresh & new.
It's just a joke at this point, and most Americans get it despite the media's best attempts to help the GOP. The message is the same no matter who delivers it--trickle down economics will solve all our problems despite its proven failure.
I think the Republican Party is ready to be drowned in the bathtub.
Posted by: Allan Snyder on February 25, 2009 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK
Chris Matthews' "Oh, god" pretty much summed it up. Everyone's heard about it, but you have to hear the clip to understand that it is not derision or impatience in his voice, but pain, the sound of an audible wince, as Jindal came bopping up to the podium. Matthews was thinking, "oh, god, this was the last hope to stop/counter Obama, and he's just hopeless".
Posted by: kth on February 25, 2009 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK
He not only seemed like a guy selling a bad product in an infomercial
Jindal IS a guy selling a bad product.
Posted by: ckelly on February 25, 2009 at 9:43 AM | PERMALINK
My mother says, "What does Jindal think he's going to be, a slumdog President?" and added she thought he got too presumptuous from that movie (I hear it while blogging in her basement, of course - and yes I really am wearing pajamas right now.) Well, I say: Jindal is a dumbdog pimp for millionaires.
Posted by: Neil B ☼ on February 25, 2009 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK
"when they remember just how bad he was in late February, 2009."
"Remember." Do people do that anymore?
Posted by: Joey Giraud on February 25, 2009 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK
A brief visit down memory lane for the trolls---just in case they're depending on everyone to have forgotten by now....
1.) Jindal stood before the American People last night and related a story about his "on-the-ground participation" with a certain Sheriff who was trying to get boats into NOLA on 30/31 August.
2.) Jindal gave a media interview from Baton Rouge on September 1.
3.) The closest Jindal had come to NOLA prior to the September 1 interview was an aerial fly-over.
Summation: Jindal LIED to America last night.
Posted by: Steve W. on February 25, 2009 at 9:56 AM | PERMALINK
Does Jindal think, as he gives his examples of how New Orleans recovery, that we don't know that the Federal taxpayers have come up with billions of dollars in the last five years to pay for his charter schools and infrastrucure rebuilding?
That the private sector insurance companies have been doing their best to deny claims?
That it was big government that was the only one capable of dealing with a disaster of Katrina's magnitude?
He's another one of these Free Market frauds who just won't admit that government is bailing his a** out.
Posted by: The Other Ed on February 25, 2009 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK
Gee, your mother sounds charming, Neil.
Steve W., I took the story to mean the boats were leaving from near Baton Rouge--the river does connect the two cities. But I wouldn't be shocked, shocked, I say, to discover that Jindal has only a passing acquaintance with the truth.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 10:02 AM | PERMALINK
Somewhat off topic, if any Louisiana people are around: Is Jindal's pronunciation of Baton Rouge the standard? I've never heard anyone else, including Louisianans, pronounce the G in "Rouge" like the very hard J in "just" or "jettison" or "jolly." I've always heard the softer French pronunciation.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK
To be fair, I'm sure it's all worked for him before. -Tyro
What works locally obviously doesn't work nationally. Just ask Sarah Palin.
Last night I commented that I'm actually looking forward to seeing the debates between Jindal and Palin. Hell, maybe even Bachmann will get in the mix. If one of them should win the nomination, the Democrats have little to fear.
Jindal, unfortunately, will be back. -TPO
If you're a Democrat, there is nothing unfortunate about this fool having an elevated presence in GOP politics. It sounded like late-night self-help television.
'I believe in you, and for only $19.95 I can show y'all how to believe in yourselves!'
Jindal IS a guy selling a bad product. -ckelly
And no one is buying. He'd be better off hocking Sham-Wows or Snuggies.
Posted by: doubtful on February 25, 2009 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK
I am really torn for 2012, Palin/Cantor or
Jindal/Bachmann.
Posted by: Ted76 on February 25, 2009 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK
It figures democrats cannot handle anyone telling the truth!! The supposed stimulas is nothing more then 8 years of democatic crap stuffed into a bill that will do nothing but increase the deficit! Wake up people and face reality the housing bubble caused this and it all started under our great leader BILL CLINTON!!! The truth hurts!!!!!
Posted by: tm on February 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK
What are Sham-Wows, doubtful? Is this something I need?
tm at 10:16: once more with more exclamation points, shoog. We want to see the vein in your forehead popping out.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK
Is Jindal the GOP's next great white or should i say indain hope? then there in for a shock has any 1 been to new orleans lately? this guy took over 2yrs ago and the city still looks like s***. He has done nothing but sit on his lazy ass while the city and state looks like crap. he wiil be another GW
Posted by: tangela johnson on February 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK
Sham-wows? Jindal isn't in the same league as Vince Offer or Billy Mays ...
Posted by: royalblue_tom on February 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK
shortstop,
https://www.shamwow.com/ver8/index.aspShamwow is a product from another dimension, made by aliens, which literally sucks liquid from our dimension and temporarly transports it to another dimension. Behold the power of Shamwow!
Snuggies, well, there's nothing special aobut a Snuggie. It's a bath robe you put on backwards.
I commend you for clearly watching less television than me. :)
Jindal/Bachmann. -Ted76
Bachmann Jindal Overdrive, as heard on the the Stephanie Miller Show this AM. They'll be takin' care of business, and steppin' on the little guy.
Jindal isn't in the same league as Vince Offer or Billy Mays ... -royalblue_tom
So true. Jindal is like an apprentice Dr. Phil.
Posted by: doubtful on February 25, 2009 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK
What I haven't heard/hear yet, and want to get some scoop and response to: what are the hacks saying on the radio etc? Are they giving Jindal props despite it all? (Yeah, I'm lazy and often outsource such tasks; whatever ...)
BTW Mummy is not prejudiced against Indians or anyone, but likes puns and allusions to the point (like most people) that a good line is worth saying apart from technical "need" or aptness. I think it was a tease about Jindal and the influence of the movie, but maybe he really was more motivated to tell his personal story as a result.
Posted by: Neil B ☺ on February 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK
Shortstop, learn to use the Internets to find almost anything out (as I have been admonished elsewhere, and accept the criticism!) Here's the scoop:
https://www.shamwow.com/ver8/index.asp
Posted by: Neil B ☼ on February 25, 2009 at 10:47 AM | PERMALINK
I'm surprised the GOP didn't trot out "Joe the Responder" to give the opposition's response.
Posted by: ckelly on February 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK
Yeah, Jindal didn't exactly cover himself in glory last night.
But every politician who delivers the opposing party's response to a SOTU speech comes away looking half-assed.
The single exception was Jim Webb a couple of years ago. He opened by declaring that Bush had said nothing meriting a considered reply and then spent the rest of his time talking about what he wanted to talk about. It was a stunning performance.
I didn't care for Jindal but I'm still an easy grader.
Whoever said upthread that Jindal was addressing the Repub base, not the American people, is probably correct.
Posted by: Cash on February 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK
I didn't see a personal endorsement in that response, doubtful! Thanks; I'm thinkin' I can live without a Sham-Wow, what with the economy in a Sham-Bles and all.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 11:12 AM | PERMALINK
kth: "Chris Matthews' "Oh, god" pretty much summed it up"
My wife forces me to watch our local Fox affiliate every morning.
They decided to say it sounded like Keith Olbermann.
Posted by: JTK on February 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK
Bobby Jindal ain't no Jim Webb.
Was he speaking to anyone smarter than a 5th grader???
Where was the PASSION and new IDEAS???
S2D2.
Posted by: Larry on February 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM | PERMALINK
It seems Bobby Jindhal is the next great hope of the Republican't Party in the same way that Evan Bayh was once considered the next great hope of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: J. Kingston Pierce on February 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK
They decided to say it sounded like Keith Olbermann.
Far be it from me to give FOX cover, but I thought it was Olbermann when I heard it last night. That may have been because he was the last person speaking, though.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK
Even ignoring the content, Jindal's delivery reminded me of the early Al Gore -- before he learned how to talk to us as equals.
. . . jim strain in san diego.
Posted by: Jim Strain on February 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK
Chris Matthews' "Oh, god" pretty much summed it up. Everyone's heard about it, but you have to hear the clip to understand that it is not derision or impatience in his voice, but pain, the sound of an audible wince, as Jindal came bopping up to the podium. Matthews was thinking, "oh, god, this was the last hope to stop/counter Obama, and he's just hopeless".
3reddogs put the URL to the clip further up, but while everyone's talking about Rachel Maddow's response, I was struck by Chris Matthews in the lower right-hand corner. When it starts, he LITERALLY has his head buried in his hands. He looks completely shell-shocked.
Seriously, he looks like someone just shot his dog.
Posted by: Mnemosyne on February 25, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK
Some of you idiots forget that mentioning Katrina wasn't a bad move. He basically said that if it is any proof of the governments response, he has his doubts. Well gee, some of you also mention it being a bad PR move. How exactly? Do you forget that Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin were running Louisiana during Katrina, and they pretty much screwed the whole thing up? They basically allowed 2,000 people to drown and you come on here bad mouthing a man who at least is trying to take Louisiana back from that corruption.
Nobody buys your liberal hogwash. In 2012 you will have proof of that.
Posted by: IDS on February 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK
Nobody buys your liberal hogwash. In 2012 you will have proof of that. -IDS
If I were you, I'd stay away from the news today, otherwise you might run across some reality that doesn't mesh with your fantasy.
Do you forget that Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin were running Louisiana during Katrina, and they pretty much screwed the whole thing up? -IDS
I remember Brown and Bush and the disaster that was FEMA who are still screwing the whole thing up.
But go ahead. If this is the speech that is launching your guy Jindal into the big time, I'll stick with my guy, whom you might recall gave a speech once that propelled him to the national stage.
Posted by: doubtful on February 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK
My friend Tom Schaller added, "Someday, when scholars are trying to fingerpoint the nadir of the post-Bush Republican Party, they may arrive at Jindal's speech tonight. Though it was a tough moment for any Republican to give the opposition response, his speech came across as unserious in content and condescending in its tone."
The nadir is the point at which thing stop getting worse.
Somehow, I doubt Jindal's speech last night was that for the Republican Party.
Sure, it may be the lowest point yet, but that's true of every point you pass on the way down.
Posted by: cmdicely on February 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK
Viewers would have seen Obama as someone who is doing what he can but Jindal as just offering more of the same ole, same ole. They are smart enough to know that right now, same ole just won't cut it. This is something that Republicans don't seem to understand.
Posted by: ET on February 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK
Sure, it may be the lowest point yet, but that's true of every point you pass on the way down.
Oh, but let us have our fun. People who enjoy reading and discussing history are into marking milestones, real or imagined, permanent or temporary. We can't help it.
Here's a temporary one of my own: Last night, I told mr. shortstop that I hadn't thought it possible that I could have less respect for Congressional Republicans than I had during the Bush years. But those bastards keep proving me wrong.
Posted by: shortstop on February 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM | PERMALINK
Myke K - "Nothing like watching a bunch of liberals whistling past the graveyard. You people are obviously threatened by Jindal like you're threatened by Palin."
Actually, Yes! Jindal is as equally as threatening as Palin; as in not at all!
Posted by: TBone on February 25, 2009 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK
Wow, funny to watch the righties sharpening their knives for David Brooks... You know things are getting a little wacky for them when they start taking shots at a pragmatic conservative. Brooks hit it on the nose. The GOP speech was utterly tone deaf. Crawl-under-your-chair bad. They expect us to believe that the GOP has magically changed. For 8 years they are the party of war spending, no-bid contracts, earmarks and record defecits. Now, POOF! They are the party of small government and fiscal responsibility.
The GOP method is so utterly transparent. Black President? Get a black for GOP head... Great speaker? Get a (what we thought) was an articulate guy of ethnicity to give a response. It looks like the GOP is using bad reality TV producers for their marketing strategy.
Posted by: tdub on February 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK
Oh, and I do love these, "you Dems are hitting on Jindal because you are so scared of him.." riffs....
uh, yeah, right. Bring on a Jindal/Palin ticket.
But you have to wait four years for that. Remember, you lost power after losing touch with the country....and reality.
Posted by: tdub on February 25, 2009 at 4:45 PM | PERMALINK
The presentation of the speech was horrible. However, the republican party got away from their basic beliefs and Jindal's idea of getting back to the basics was spot on. We cannot cut our deficit as Obama promised by spending a trillion dollars. We need to cut taxes, reduce spending by cutting out the pork and earmarks, develop a true stimulus package - not a spendulous package, and drill offshore for oil to supplement our energy needs until the renewable energy sources are developed. Obama promised something new and different, Jindal didn't. Obama has proven his ideas are not new and different. Jindal wants the republican party to get back on track. Bad delivery of a speech, for sure. However, what Jindal was trying to communicate was not that bad.
Posted by: Cindy Bartosh on February 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK
Well, OK. I have read all the posts, yes every one. I am ready to make my comment on Piyush Jindal, the admitted anchor baby. Ha, ha ....Ahem....Cough..cough...Well, darn it. It just plain sucked ! ! What a self serving fool ! !Reagan and his economic policy has failed and nearly took this country down. Both G W Bush and Greenspan have admitted so with thier excusses for not seeing this coming (in testimony and speeches before congress). Trust a Republican? Not on your life ! ! I live in New Orleans. We only saw Jindal at photo oportunities delivering a couple of generators. His advisary in the last election, Boasso, was a true hero. That man Boasso established a base camp at one of his whare houses, pulled bodies and rescued people during the day and spent the nights going to Baton Rouge for supplies. Every day for nearly a month. The fools that supported Jindal supressed this information (only one article about this Boasso heroics was printed before Jindal cronies censored the press). Jindal blatently sent out and destroyed Boasso as corrupt and a fat clown. Well, the fools got what they wanted and the state has suffered ever since. Please, PLEASE, take Jindal and make him go to the RNC,, or the Pope PIUS Society, or some other crach head partisan group. The state can't handle the clown that spoke in rebuttle last night. PLEASE ! !
Posted by: john q public on February 25, 2009 at 9:11 PM | PERMALINK