Where's my pitchfork?

We can't prosecute those in Gitmo and we won't prosecute those who stashed them there. We might as well close shop at DoJ...

Intelligence yield? Wrong question. In setting up the equation we are measuring ends versus means. Ends, presumably, won't often be known before we engage in the means. We won't know the ends until where knee-deep in the means, We are at the bottom of the slippery slope already, and your "once and for all" question to be answered will merely determine where the slippery start gate was.

Esoth: I don't need a Congressional inquiry to answer the moral questions. I do think it would be useful, for people who aren't persuaded by my answers, to get the Bush admin. people to explain what, exactly, we actually got out of all this.

We hanged people for less than this after WWII. Seriously.

I truly pray that if George W Bush is ever abroad for any reason, he is arrested and charged with Crimes Against Humanity, and War Crimes.

He and his administration have destroyed so much.

Even with a War Crimes Tribunal, there is no justice that real humans could inflict on him that would be equal to the destruction that he has caused.

Because our government should not be able to do this with impunity.

But they can. They can, they have, and they will again.

It's over. Law, morals and reason lost. We had the chance to right these wrongs, but we elected a man who is choosing to ignore his Constitutional duty. And now the precedent is set - next time we have a thug regime in the White House we're going to see it again, and probably worse.

At the very least, it seems to me that everyone in congress could support an investigation to determine why these "high value" detainees can't be successfully prosecuted. Let's start there.

Who cares whether we got any actionable intelligence out of this or not? No 'ticking time bomb,' no borderline calls, just men agonizingly hung by their wrists for weeks at a time.

If no prosecutions come out of this, it's time for the mob with torches and pitchforks. Those responsible for doing these things in our names must pay, one way or another.

At the very least, nobody should pass Bush or Rumsfeld or Cheney or John Yoo or any of the others who enabled this, without spitting on the ground at their feet and cursing them to their faces. We, the people, can at least take away their freedom to go about in public as if they had done nothing wrong.

Isn't it naive to think that hiding behind national security and executive privilege won't protect those most responsible for this? Go after the architects of our economic collapse. They did more damage and don't have get out of jail free cards.

"Multiple blunt force injuries. Abrasion in upper right forehead. Abrasion on right lower forehead above eyebrow. Multiple contusions on right cheek and lower nose, left upper forehead, back of head. Abrasions on chest, lower costal margin. Contusions on arm, elbow, forearm, wrist, upper inner arm, groin, inner thigh, right back of knee and calf, left calf, left lower leg. Cause of death was pulmonary embolism due to blunt force injuries."

From autopsy report of detainee killed by United States uniformed armed forces and/or CIA agents while in custody in Bagram, Afghanistan, December 3, 2002.

How is prosecuting those responsible for murder, kidnapping, rape, and torture, a "political decision?"

If these crimes had been committed on American soil, against white, Christian Americans, by agents of the United States government acting under orders from the President, the Vice President, and the heads of the Department of Defense and the CIA, is there any doubt that these crimes would be prosecuted, and that no commentators-- right wing or otherwise-- would dream of suggesting that these were hard political decisions made in a time of war or crisis which should be overlooked as we "move forward"?

These were not political decisions which a subsequent administration is attempting to criminalize for political gain. These acts included murders, kidnappings, torture, rapes, and wrongful imprisonment over a period of years. They occurred with the authorization and knowledge of the President and Vice President of the United States and the highest appointed officials.

And they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law- from the highest persons who authorized it or condoned it to the foot soldiers who carried out orders which they knew were unlawful.

While we're busy spinning our wheels trying to figure out how to prosecute the creeps who perpetrated these crimes, can we at least suspend some of them from duty pending psychiatric evaluation and counseling? We do this with cops and other security types all the time. It doesn't take a trial and it doesn't take a congressional hearing. It is good management practice, and it incidentally collects data for the other legal processes.

According to one former Gitmo guard who has come forward to tell the truth, most of his fellow guards were fellow Sotherners. Surprised?

These people have to be prosecuted just like the guards at Auschwitz were. They may not have given the orders, but what they did is a crime against humanity and a crime against this country. The Bozo Brigade has to be smacked and smacked hard, so there will be fewer volunteers in the future.

Time to burnish my liberal credentials.

If we caught bin Laden tomorrow. I would NOT want him treated like this.

No one who believes this is true should be incapable of shame in being American.

If this occurred, it is patriotic to feel ashamed of your country when we torture. If you don't, you allow your country to decay into a worthless scrap of d inhabited by monsters. Choosing not to know is traitorous. There is no "moving on" from this without closure and, if nessary, remedy.

If our nation chooses to remain ignorant, this too, is something we should be required to feel ashamed of.

When we are proud to be American, it matters WHY.
Finding our faults and working to correct them... THIS is where I could strengthen my pride in belonging to this first, but struggling, democracy.

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can we at least suspend some of them from duty pending psychiatric evaluation and counseling?

The mechanism to do so is there. People have clearances revoked and later restored all the time. A member of the military who holds a clearance will have that clearance suspended temporarily just for getting married, until the new spouse is investigated and vetted.

I grew up on Navy bases, joined the Army and had my own clearance, but still, when my husband and I got married, his clearance was suspended until the Air Force sent their own investigators out to vet me.

I am a physician and I was appalled to read in Mr. Danner's article that a doctor was present for all of the torture sessions. The doctors were their to make sure the torture didn't result in death or organ failure, but not to make it any less painful. Who were these doctors, and if American, how can they keep their licenses? The actions of these doctors is diametically opposed to the Hippocratic oath. They should be ashamed of themselves.

And the Bush admin continues to torture us, the American people.