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March 16, 2009

DICK CAN'T HELP HIMSELF.... It's tempting to think Dick Cheney would feel at least a little chastened right now. He helped lead a failed administration, which burdened the nation with overwhelming crises. He left office as something of a disgrace. He's suspected of committing war crimes. His record on everything from national security to economic policy to constitutional norms is an embarrassment. His ideas and twisted ideology have been thoroughly and completely discredited.

And yet, the former Vice President just keeps talking. From his interview with CNN's John King yesterday:

KING: There are people I assume watching this interview right now, and people in this town who would say, why should we listen to you? And they would say that because of the context of the Bush administration numbers.

They would say, you know, what did you do when you were in charge? And they have some numbers to back up their case.... When you came to office, the unemployment rate in the country was 4.2 percent, when you left it was 7.6 percent.

The number of Americans in poverty when you arrived, just under 33 million, over 37 million when you left. The number without health insurance, a little over 41 million when you came, over 45 million approaching 46 million when you left.

And you came with a budget surplus of $128 billion and in the final year, the budget deficit was a record $1.3 trillion. So what would you say to someone out there watching this who is saying, why should they listen to you?

CHENEY: Well, there are all kinds of arguments to be made on that point. But there's something that is more important than the specific numbers you're talking about, and that had to be priority for our administration.

Eight months after we arrived, we had 9/11. We had 3,000 Americans killed one morning by al Qaeda terrorists here in the United States. We immediately had to go into the wartime mode. We ended up with two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of that is still very active. We had major problems with respect to things like Katrina, for example. All of these things required us to spend money that we had not originally planned to spend, or weren't originally part of the budget. Stuff happens.

This doesn't make any sense. The question asked about the former administration's record. That doesn't matter, Cheney said, because of 9/11 and Katrina -- both of which, by the way, Bush/Cheney handled poorly. This is the excuse for increasing unemployment, rising poverty, families losing access to health care, and record-breaking budget deficits. Why? Because Dick Cheney says so.

What else did we "learn" from the former Vice President? He's still disappointed about Scooter Libby not getting a pardon; he "loves" Rush Limbaugh; he sees the war in Iraq as a success story; and he's still throwing around cheap and misleading rhetoric about the Obama administration and national security.

There are, oddly enough, still some people who find Dick Cheney credible, and believe his voice is worth listening to. I don't know why.

Steve Benen 8:00 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (36)
 
Comments

Chaney is angling for the "Prince of Darkness" title-- and he gets to do that because of everyone else's cowardice. It would be better to just arrest him and get it all out, for once and for all.

Posted by: MattF on March 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

We "ended up with" two wars... yeah, it just happened, had nothing to do with us.....

Posted by: doesn't matter on March 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM | PERMALINK

Why did John King interview him? Does he have a book coming out?

Posted by: Jay on March 16, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

god damn dick cheney's shit-filled soul to hell.

Posted by: neill on March 16, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

John King is a shameless right wing tool.

Posted by: Bill on March 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM | PERMALINK

I don't know why I pay attention to what he says, but I tried to read the transcript of the whole interview. I just hope that there is a camera present when he turns into a pillar of salt, crumbles into a pile and is blown away on the winds. That's about all that will satisfy me now, divine retribution, and that's saying something coming from an agnostic. STFU for once and for all, Dick. We don't need your input, just your silence. Go back to your undisclosed location and disclose no more.

Posted by: wacky librul on March 16, 2009 at 8:12 AM | PERMALINK

'Rusk' Limbaugh? Are you promoting the meat-sak to state department or what Steve? He could run the dissident department of counter productivity!

rusk.....what a hoot....hehehehehe!!!!!!

Posted by: TulsaTime on March 16, 2009 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

John King sure makes Jon Stewart look good, even if Howard Kurtz can't see it.

Posted by: Danp on March 16, 2009 at 8:20 AM | PERMALINK

Got your hand caught in teh cookie jar? 9-11 will get you out! Involved in scandal after scandal? 9-11 will remove those pesky Abu Gharaib stains on the carpet!

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Posted by: ImprisonCheney on March 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK

Not just John King, who epicly sucks, but CNN is simply unwatchable for news. I can't even look at Ed Henry, not to mention listen to what he has to say. Rowland Martin, please. Anderson Cooper? Wolf Blitzer? Please. My T.V. is becoming worthless as a news gathering device. Hell, breaking news on t.v. is already six hours old on the internets. I really don't know why I have one (t.v.) anymore.

Posted by: Scott F. on March 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM | PERMALINK

As Jay above asks, why is King even interviewing Cheney? Why not leave the Sith Lord rot in his "undisclosed locations"? Just pathetic.

Posted by: J. on March 16, 2009 at 8:35 AM | PERMALINK

Rejoicing in the death of another person is unfortunate. However, the list of people likely to precede me in their visit with the Reaper includes a great many from the last 8 years that will bring a slight smile to my lips. Cheney, Bush, Yoo, Addington, Hadley, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rove and too many others to mention are murderers, torturers and war criminals in every sense of the word. Their cheerleaders in the media such as Limbaugh, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer are Hannity are no more than administration mouthpieces mascarading as journalists and writers. Goebbels would be proud of them. For their words they share equal blame. However many are buried before me will afford an hour or two of reflective pleasure at their passing.

Posted by: steve duncan on March 16, 2009 at 8:38 AM | PERMALINK

The two good things I can take away from the Cheney interview are thus: (1)That the people who still find Cheney credible will eventually die off like the dinosaurs they are, and (2)that American history will eventually record the facts of the Bush administration, as we "do unto Cheney" as the Iraqis did to that big statue of Saddam....

Posted by: Steve W. on March 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

Shorter Dick: Failure doesn't matter.

Posted by: Former Dan on March 16, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

His former aides are equally irrelevant - Notice MSNBC having Ron Christy on to "balance" views? One of his pips was extolling Cheney taking charge of the Klamath Basin water standoff - "Oooh, he forced those valves open and saved the farmers (who just happen to vote RepuG)" - Never mentioned the devastating effect this had on salmon reproduction down river, nor the loss of commercial fishing.

Matalin appearing on FAUX is no different.

Posted by: berttheclock on March 16, 2009 at 8:44 AM | PERMALINK

Some responding to that point might say,

"Your incompetence got 3000 Americans killed on 9/11, and an invasion of the wrong country killed a subsequent 4000 Americans and >100,000 Arabs. Why do you have any credibility on anything?"

Posted by: Gonads on March 16, 2009 at 8:45 AM | PERMALINK

What happened to the theory of "former presidents shouldn't speak criticize the current president"? I seem to recall the right wing media making an incredible fuss over a few statements by Jimmy Carter. Or does that not apply to Vice Presidents?

Posted by: Dan on March 16, 2009 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK

May the maggots of a thousand flies feast on the rotting, rancid carcass of this evil man as he spends an eternity of anguish in hell.

Posted by: citizen_pain on March 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM | PERMALINK

Shouldn't we be giving him a bonus a la AIG?

Posted by: radarcat on March 16, 2009 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK

Blah Blah 9/11, Blah Blah 9/11

Posted by: Cycledoc on March 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM | PERMALINK

What does it matter? Haliburton and the rest of the Iraq sub-contractors are doing fine to the tune of 295 million dollars a day. Business as usual also for the MSM, bought and paid for by the re-thugs.

Posted by: SteveA on March 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

Draft dodger, Nixon enabler, friend of corporate crooks and polluters everywhere, war profiteer, mass murderer -- just once I wish the cable news asshats would give Cheney his proper intro.

Posted by: dalloway on March 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM | PERMALINK

In the RNC Limbaugh dust-up I theorized that Rush was slowly forging an alliance with the Crist generation. He's posed to throw all neo-conservatives under the bus, claiming to be part of the new guard.

A sign would be Rush rebuffing Cheney's praise.
It will probably go unmentioned, but distance between him and Darth Cheney would help his cause greatly if I'm right.

Then again, being mean to Cheney could be hazardous to his health.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on March 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe fewer people would think he's worth listening to if he weren't interviewed on Sunday mornings on CNN. The problem is CNN legitimizing his dark, crazy worldview by providing a platform for his blathering.

Posted by: tess on March 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM | PERMALINK
What happened to the theory of "former presidents shouldn't speak criticize the current president"? I seem to recall the right wing media making an incredible fuss over a few statements by Jimmy Carter. Or does that not apply to Vice Presidents?
Look, didn't you pay attention? The Office of the Vice President isn't part of the executive branch. Or the legislative branch. Indeed, VPOTUS is a law unto himself -- even more so now that he isn't encumbered by holding a legally-recognized office.

I wonder if he shows up to interviews with a loaded shotgun?

Posted by: Bernard HP Gilroy on March 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney just dismisses all the travesties perpetrated during the Bush years with "sh*t happens"? What a Dick!

Posted by: petorado on March 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

The subsequent interview with Bennett and Carville was almost as awful. Bennett and King reinforcing everything Cheney said, acting like he's still respected by anybody(Bennett congratulated King on such a great interview with Cheney), and Carville providing a limp rebuttal.
The MSM is complete crap in this country. IOW, just another Sunday in mediawhoreville.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on March 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM | PERMALINK

"We ended up with two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Yeah, how did that happen? One might have thought John King would have followed up on that. But King some completely uninterested in discussing Cheney's culpability in any sphere - Iraq, the economy, torture. King treated Cheney as a respected elder statesman, whose views on the current political scene were warranted serious consideration by a rapt nation.

Even more astoundingly, we were treated to the sight of Cheney repeatedly and directly criticizing the President he served under! In the up is down world of Village journalism, it's BIG NEWS that a new Democrat in the White House would "blame" his Republican president for the disaster he inherited, but hardly newsworthy that a mere seven weeks out of office a former vice-president is eagerly explaining to John King how he was "not happy" with Bush's Iran policy, how he would have handled North Korea the way Bush did, and how Bush didn't merely fail to show clemency in the Libby matter - he acquiesced in a grave miscarriage of justice in letting stand a conviction of an innocent man!

Then, of course, there was the criticism of the new president. This is unprecedented for a former Vice-President, to be so harshly critical of the new president. It is an explosive rupture of longstanding political rules of decorum for the ex-VP to be accusing the new president of undermining U.S. security. Again, however, King seems completely oblivious to the extraordinary candor displayed by Dick.

Meanwhile, a virtual right of passage of any new administration - blaming problems that occupy the new administration on the policies of the last administration - was treated with shock and dismay by the media over the weekend, when it was breathlessly reported that Obama was blaming the current economic mess of Bush! My god, did Bush blame Clinton for the tepid economy in 2001? And St. Ronnie would have NEVER blamed Jimmy Carter for anything!

Black has become white in the village. It's shocking and a grave political solecism for a new president to blame the former president when asked about problems confronting the new administration, and it's perfectly natural for a former vice-president to be harshly criticizing not only the new president but the president he just finished servicing under!

John King conducted one of the most stunningly oblivious interviews I've ever seen. We're talking gross journalistic malpractice.

Posted by: thomas c on March 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM | PERMALINK

You can fool some of the people all of the time.

Posted by: Luther on March 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM | PERMALINK

I haven't been able to check all the prior news items commented on last week, but I don't recall anything mentioned about the Sy Hersh revelations regarding Cheney and an "Executive Assassination Ring". If it were about anyone else I would be a bit skeptical but I find this highly believable. Keith Olbermann touched on it also. www.alternet.org has an article on it too.


Posted by: whichwitch on March 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney is criminaly insane. We now know that the Harry Whittington shooting was not an accident. Confidential sources are telling the New York Times that Cheney intentionally shot Harry Whittington because, Whittington jokingly called Cheney "Cock" instead of "Dick."

Their sources report that large quantities of beer were consumed by both men during lunch. When Wittington, in a drunken stupor, called Cheney "Cock," the V.P. became enraged and turned his bird gun on Wittington snarling "Go fuck yourself!" as he unoaded in his friends face.

Wittnesses tell the New York Times that the members of the party avoided calling the authorities because they suspected Cheney's blood alcohol level exceeded legal limits.

Posted by: Trollkiller on March 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK

I think it is high time that 9/11 be turned back on these guys. You kept the country safe? Uh how many catastrophic attacks happened under say Jimmy Carter's watch? You screwed up and 9/11 happened, blew off Richard Clarke as you were obsessed with the stupid missle shield, and then wildly overreacted by trashing the constitution and the country etc. So don't lecture us babe. And I still wanna know why you and W had to meet with the 9/11 commission together, keeping the stories straight, eh

Posted by: Cioran Sellars on March 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

I would love to see someone like Media Matters do a comparison of how many TV appearances Cheney has made post-power to how many Gore made. I bet you Tricky Dick has been on more and Gore had the whole stolen election issue.

Posted by: Joe D on March 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK
There are people I assume watching this interview right now, and people in this town who would say...

John King, "King of the Strawmen." You might have a little more credibility if you were the one asking those questions. But then again, you would never get such an, ahem, prestigious interview if you did, now would you?

Wanker.

- PonB

Posted by: phaedrusonbass on March 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

note to dick: there's a simple solution to deal with "spend[ing] money that we had not originally planned to spend, or weren't originally part of the budget." you change the F@CK@NG BUDGET, you moron.....spending goes up? increase revenues!..oh, i forgot. the answer to everything is "tax cuts......"

Posted by: dj spellchecka on March 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney has come down with gas bag disease. Rush has big fat idiot syndrome.

Posted by: David S. on March 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM | PERMALINK




 

 
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