March 19, 2009
ALL GRANDSTANDING, NO FOLLOW THROUGH?.... When Republicans on the Hill decided to pursue the AIG bonus story, with hopes of exploiting it for partisan gain, they had half of a good idea. They would have been far better off, though, if they'd come up with an end game to the grandstanding.
GOP lawmakers knew they were "outraged." They knew how "angry" the AIG bonuses made them. They explained to the nation, as loudly as possible, that they found the whole mess "unacceptable." But given a chance to get the bonus money back, these same GOP lawmakers aren't so sure that's a good idea.
Take a look at this interesting exchange on MSNBC this morning, by way of Ben Smith. House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said he wanted to see the bonus money come back, but had no idea what to say about how to do this. Would he vote to tax the relevant AIG employees? Cantor wouldn't say. Does he have any ideas about how, exactly, to get back the funds? Cantor wouldn't say.
It's not just Cantor. House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he will vote "no" on efforts to recoup the AIG money. Several leading conservative lawmakers in both chambers have said the same thing. And just for real fun, Grover Norquist told the 172 representatives and 35 senators who signed an anti-tax pledge that if they support getting back the AIG bonuses, they'll be violating their written promise to the conservative movement.
This is what happens when foolish people grandstand without thinking. In effect, the message from congressional Republicans is, "We're outraged! Just don't expect us to do anything about it!"
Note to the GOP: you can't exploit an issue for partisan gain if you're not willing to stand by your own rhetoric.
—Steve Benen 12:35 PM
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House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said he wanted to see the bonus money come back, but had no idea what to say about how to do this.
The Republican solution is to give the bonus recipients a tax cut.
Posted by: qwerty on March 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM | PERMALINK
Man, everytime I get frustrated with Obama/Geithner I perk up when I look over at the GOP and see how pathetic they have become.
How can an opposition party not exploit this AIG mess, not matter how craven?
Posted by: g. powell on March 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK
Eric Cantor was completely discombobulated. Clearly he's not used to a member of the corporate-controlled media straying that far from Republican-supplied talking points.
Cantor is in a philosophical quandary. On one hand, he wants to go along with the Corporations Uber Alles wing of the Republican party, which believes that any taxpayer money that goes anywhere other than to millionaires and corporate donors is "wasteful government spending." On the other hand, he is drawn to Grover Norquist's economic flat earthers, who believe that all government spending is wasteful.
So instead he ends up looking like a partisan political hack -- posturing and blustering but refusing to actually do anything. Pathetic!
Posted by: SteveT on March 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM | PERMALINK
Watch Joe and Mika's extreme discomfort as O'Donnell does the job they're supposed to be doing. They rush to coddle and coo at Cantor after his traumatic experience of being asked to answer a direct question. These people are beyond revolting.
Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM | PERMALINK
We know that a provision in the Stimulus bill that wouldve blocked the AIG bonuses was pulled after someone in the administration talked to Senator Dodd's staff.
I now believe the Obama Administration let the bonuses get paid so that:
(A) the GOP would become discombobulated;
(B) Americans would finally see that the money guys -- who were supposed to be allowed to reap multi-million-dollar bonuses in return for making our 401(k) plans grow -- had rigged the system so they'd get paid even if the put everybody in the poor house;
(C) with everybody mad because of (B) and the GOP suffering from (A), the Obama administration could push through an effective regulatory regime that would eliminate these abuses;
(D) and prepare everybody for the forthcoming fraud trials (because it appears AIG did some MAJOR fraud to hide their debt swap problems).
Once again, President Obama shows he's to smart for the village.
Posted by: Unca Paul on March 19, 2009 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK
Once again, President Obama shows he's to smart for the village.
Oh, dear me. I'm a pretty big Obama fan and think a good portion of the suspicion and criticism directed at him from our ranks is unfounded, but please, y'all, stop with the Massively Convoluted Super Secret Brilliant Plan stuff. It's embarrassing.
Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM | PERMALINK
What's Obama's plan to follow through? What's his end game?
Posted by: Carl Nyberg on March 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK
This is what happens when foolish people grandstand without thinking.
To grandstand without thinking is just another way of saying "I'm a Republican!"
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on March 19, 2009 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK
shortstop, I second your motion. Enough already.
Posted by: Scott F. on March 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK
please, y'all, stop with the Massively Convoluted Super Secret Brilliant Plan stuff. It's embarrassing.
Well, I for one hope this really
is a
Xanatos Gambit. That would be cool.
:)
Posted by: Bernard HP Gilroy on March 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK
This is a complex issue and the GOP is right not to allow itself to be trapped by cheap gotcha journalism.
Posted by: Al on March 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK
This is a complex issue and the GOP is right not to allow itself to be trapped by cheap gotcha journalism.
Yep, "What is your plan?" is obviously a trick question.
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on March 19, 2009 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK
That was a really fun clip. Maybe there's some small sliver of hope for the soul of the MSM if we get more questioners like that guy.
Posted by: Curmudgeon on March 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK
So let me get this straight: They express outrage over the bonuses. Then they complain that the Pres. and the Sec. of Treasury knew about the bonuses and didn't do enough to stop it. Now they don't want anything done with bonuses? How do these people get elected? Don't complain about something and then not do anything about it. You can put the blame on the White House or the Treasury all you want, but they along with other people in Congress are trying to do something about it. For now on they should STFU if they aren't going to take action, but I'm sure that will be hard for them to do.
Posted by: jmy on March 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK
How do these people get elected?
The people who vote for them are more interested in hating us than in having coherent legislators.
Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
"And just for real fun, Grover Norquist told the 172 representatives and 35 senators who signed an anti-tax pledge that if they support getting back the AIG bonuses, they'll be violating their written promise to the conservative movement."
The conservative movement has a loyalty oath?
Posted by: 2Manchu on March 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK
And of course there's nothing inconsistent about members of the party that voted to dismantle every last thing that stood in the way of people making a crapload of money in an unregulated market now being outraged that people made a crapload of money in an unregulated market.
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on March 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM | PERMALINK
"The conservative movement has a loyalty oath?" Posted by: 2Manchu
I see I'm not the only one bothered by that.
Posted by: marcus alrealius alrightus on March 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK
"grandstanding"
The bonuses are 1/1,000 of money given to AIG so far. It's pretty much grandstanding, no matter who does it.
When Obama demagogues the AIG bonuses and executives, it's not grandstanding? Is this solely because he "plans" to do something about it?
What if the thing one proposes to address the issue is almost certainly going to run afoul of the law, and you know this - is it still effective governance, and not grandstanding?
What if one hundred equivalent outrages occur each week, but you act on this one because it is in the news, and your solution doesn't address the other 99 cases? Is that just symbolism, grandstanding?
What if the compensation were straight pay, rather than bonuses, would that make everyone feel better?
Are we complaining that someone, somewhere is overpaid? Or does it matter solely because the company has received government money? Then what about sports teams getting stadiums built, airline bailouts, Boeing, GM, Ford, Chrysler?
Overpaid execs are similar to cadillac-driving food stamps recipients - they are irrelevant in the grand scale of "justice", and focusing on them often tells you more about the demagogue than the target.
Posted by: flubber on March 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK
Overpaid execs are similar to cadillac-driving food stamps recipients
Well, sure, except that the former category actually has confirmable members. Lots of them, as it turns out.
Look, nowhere in your homily do you happen to acknowledge that what's got us all het up is people being rewarded handsomely with our cash for massive incompetence that's had catastrophic results for all of us. That isn't comparable to thinking that ball players make too much money, for crying out loud, and as it happens, quite a few people (I'm not among them) have been expressing a great deal of anger about automaker and airline bailouts. (Where ya been?)
You're underestimating the symbolic power of these bonuses as a focusing point for fully justifiable public anger about financial misdeeds that are having enormous economic consequences for all of us. We can reasonably debate whether the various proposed remedies are legal, well advised or likely to help. But to dismiss this as a non-issue and ignore the actual financial hardship this situation has imposed on millions shows you're as far into not-getting-it land as the malfeasants in these cases have shown themselves to be.
Posted by: shortstop on March 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM | PERMALINK
I for one hope this really is a Xanatos Gambit.
It has a NAME? Thanks Mr. Gilroy. I was thinking that Johnny Von Neumann would be proud of the game theory at work here, but this just solidifies it for me.
Please, my paranoid little mind didn't come up with this on its own. I was listening to Rachael Maddow's show, and in passing she mentioned (in passing) something to the effect that, "now that this outrage has happened, it'll be easier to re-regulate the financial industry; you'd think they wanted this to happen."
That's when it hit me -- the whole outrage keeps the GOP off balance, AND makes all of Wall Street's lobbyists radioactive. Decent conditions to "reform" Wall Street so it benefits Main Street.
It ain't paranoid if they really are that smart!
Posted by: Unca Paul on March 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK
No surprise here. Many Americans and all Republicans associate wealth with virtue. This is a religious, i.e. faith based belief impervious to contrary evidence or logic. So Republicans never support any policies that might reduce any rich persons personal wealth.
Posted by: rfb on March 20, 2009 at 9:04 AM | PERMALINK