April 2, 2009
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE WATER.... If I didn't know better, I might wonder if the powers that be are distributing crazy pills in the House Republican cloakroom.
I was just talking to Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), who's leaving Congress to run for governor of Michigan, about his proposed Parental Rights Amendment -- a constitutional change that would, among other things, prevent "any source of international law" to override parents' rights. He gave me an example of how open some Democrats were to handing over American rights.
"I'm watching Neil Cavuto," said Hoesktra, "and I see [Treasury Secretary] Tim Geithner is talking about how he might be OK with a world currency. I don't think Americans are going to be comfortable with that. You're going to see things that people perceive as eroding American sovereignty -- this is something that's clearly un-American. I mean, here's the secretary of the Treasury, and instead of defending the United States and defending our currency, he's saying he might be open to a world currency. What does that mean? It means turning our currency over to the UN."
Hoesktra isn't some random, no-name backbencher. He's been in Congress for 16 years, he's the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and next year, he expects to be the governor of one of the nation's largest states.
And yet, here's Hoekstra spouting ridiculous gibberish about global currencies, American sovereignty, and turning our currency over to the U.N.
What's wrong with these people? Geithner never said he'd accept "a world currency" -- he actually has vowed the opposite -- the Treasury Secretary simply addressed the notion of a global reserve currency. There's nothing "un-American" about it. That doesn't even make any sense.
Either Hoekstra knows this, and he's just riling up uninformed right-wing voters for partisan gain (in which case he's a hack), or he's popping off on a subject he knows nothing about after catching a segment on Fox News (in which case he's both irresponsible and foolish).
On a related note, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) chatted yesterday with a right-wing blog called Atlas Shrugs -- the same blog that argued in a 12,000-word post last year, in all seriousness, that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's illegitimate son -- about her conspiracy theories regarding global currencies and modern economics. Bachmann said, "And so we need to once again decide, do we want to be free, or do we want to be slaves?"
First, why would any group of people "want to be slaves"? Second, slaves to whom? Bachmann didn't say.
—Steve Benen 3:30 PM
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I vote for foolish irresponsible hack. These days, who can tell the difference?
Posted by: Curmudgeon on April 2, 2009 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK
What has Michigan done to deserve Hoesktra? I mean, Michiganders seem like nice, sensible people who work hard and play fair. And they get stuck with Hoesktra?
Life's just not fair.
Posted by: CT on April 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK
Bachmann said, "And so we need to once again decide, do we want to be free, or do we want to be slaves?"
I know that I sure as hell wouldn't want to be as crazy as Michele Bachmann.
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on April 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK
Steve Benen wrote: "Either Hoekstra knows this, and he's just riling up uninformed right-wing voters for partisan gain ..."
There's no "either" about it. That's exactly what he is doing. He knows that the corporate-funded so-called "right wing" media has created an audience of weak-minded, ignorant Ditto-Heads who will unquestioningly believe whatever they are told is "conservative", no matter how absurd or transparently false it is. So he knows that he can get away with saying whatever he wants, and the pathetic mental slaves of Rush Limbaugh will hear and obey.
The existence of this army of corporate-programmed zombie brownshirts, and the existence of the corporate-sponsored media engine of deceit and hatred that creates and sustains it, is a serious problem.
And calling the Republicans who deliberately, cynically and maliciously lie to exploit this easily manipulated audience "crazy" or "foolish" is a serious mistake.
They know exactly what they are doing. And they deserve to be called out as the vicious, lying thugs that they are, and not given some specious benefit of the doubt that they might be well-meaning idiots.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on April 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
-from a new bill sponsored by Hoekstra and Bachman
Posted by: Capt Kirk on April 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK
What has Michigan done to deserve Hoesktra?
Voted for him?
Posted by: ckelly on April 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK
"I'm watching Neil Cavuto," said Hoekstra...
well, there's your first problem, pete.
Posted by: mellowjohn on April 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK
"I was just talking to Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), who's leaving Congress to run for governor of Michigan, about his proposed Parental Rights Amendment -- a constitutional change that would, among other things, prevent "any source of international law" to override parents' rights."
So Hoekstra was all in favor of returning Elian Gonzalez to his father instead of letting his distant relatives in Miami keep him? Or is it only American parents who cannot have their rights infringed upon, but it's perfectly fine for US citizens to illegally hold a child?
Posted by: Mnemosyne on April 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM | PERMALINK
I don't know where to begin... It's one thing when the Repubs all crawl up to kiss Rush's ass (no pushing, plenty a room fer all ya') but it seems they are trying to out-Rush Rush. If a provocateur is setting the pace....
Posted by: Ken on April 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK
It is now painfully obvious to me that Benen doesn't read his threads. If he did he would know by now that this is being repeated over and over because it is a dog whistle for the religious right. It has nothing to do with anything other than that. Maybe at some point if he ever read his thread Benen would realize this and stop being so damned surprised everytime it happened. Or maybe just maybe he actually might do a post about how the "global currency" meme fits in with Left Behind crowd.
Posted by: sgwhiteinfla on April 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK
"Second, slaves to whom?"
Them, of course. Them that think they surround us, but we surround
them!
</teary, Jesus-freak voice>
Posted by: Uli Kunkel on April 2, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK
Just lie back, relax, and soak up the crazy.
Aahhhh...
Posted by: proud Hoekstra constituent on April 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
I have enough trouble writing a rational and coherent 250 word blog post once a day. Maybe it helps when you are none of those.
Posted by: Rob Carlson on April 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
Why isn't the media looking into these claims, and pointing out these people as the unhinged lunatics that they are? 30 co-sponsors of Bachmann's amendment? This deserves more attention than it's getting.
Posted by: Jeff on April 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK
Michele Bachmann is a loon. I live in Minnesota (not in her district), and I'm quite frustrated that she's still in office, making her constituents look like idiots for re-electing her.
What's worse is, she would have lost in 2008 if not for the Minnesota Independence Party. Her Democratic opponent, El Tinklenberg, actually received the Indepedence Party endorsement, but still some other joker ran on the Independence Party line (Minnesota doesn't allow a candidate to appear on multiple ballot lines, even when he is cross-endorsed). In spite of the fact that said joker barely campaigned, he still got 10% of the vote from the idiots in Bachmann's district (and I'm sorry folks, but if you live in Minnesota's 6th and voted for anyone other than Tinklenberg, you're an idiot), which split the anti-Bachmann vote just enough to let her win again.
Idiots.
Posted by: David Bailey on April 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK
"First, why would any group of people "want to be slaves"? Second, slaves to whom?"
Reason
Don't wanna be slaves tuh reason!
Posted by: Mr DeBakey on April 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK
Isn't it great though that according to a recording on Americablog, Eric Cantor knows a man who can help us with the economy.The party leader Rush of course!
Posted by: js on April 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK
What's wrong with these people?
First, sgwhiteinfla is right -- this is a dog whistle to the Left Behind crazies.
But more to the point, the reason they are all like this is that few in the Republican Party gets news from any source outside the wingnutosphere, and that especially includes their party leaders.
Think about it. From Fox News to Washington Times to NY Post to Rush to Savage to TownHall to WorldNutDaily to Drudge -- a wingnut needs never go anywhere else for news.
It's got to the point where they all believe their own bullshit. If Drudge says it then it's true, no need for fact checking.
Seriously, it would be an interestinng experiement to try to plant an outrageous, obviously false news story in the wingnutosphere to see if anyone catches it. Oh wait, that experiment was already done with the Hummer-is-more-environmental-than-Prius hoax -- and even today morons like George Will repeat that hoax as if it were truth.
Posted by: Cool on April 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK
SecularAnimist has it exactly right.
Picture an 'anti-Obama': very intelligent, highly charismatic, verbally proficient, etc, etc -- much more so than any of the goons who've surfaced thus far. Now picture how he/she could rally the armies of ignorance. Do you like the result? Can you say 'overthrow of the Weimar Republic'?
This IS a serious problem. And giving a pass to the people who encourage this stuff by saying that they're 'insane' is incredibly shortsighted, and ultimately dangerous. They ARE thugs.
Posted by: JB on April 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, if Obama's Malcolm X's son, then wouldn't that necessarily resolve the birth certificate issue? Hehe
Posted by: Coop on April 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK
Social conservatism is a learning disability.
Posted by: alan on April 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, if Obama's Malcolm X's son, then wouldn't that necessarily resolve the birth certificate issue?
No, because Malcolm X was born in Jamaica Plain, MA. Does that sound American to you? It sounds pretty damn bla--er, foreign --to us.
Posted by: The Birthers on April 2, 2009 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK
how long has the UN been in existence?
sixty-three years and counting.
why has it taken so long for this nefarious and powerful group to take over the united states?
maybe they're waiting for obama's stimulus funds so they can get their traffic rotary construction underway. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message742096/pg1
Posted by: karen marie on April 2, 2009 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK
can somebody explain what's up with minnesota?
has the cold gone to people's heads there?
Posted by: karen marie on April 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM | PERMALINK
Bachmann said, "And so we need to once again decide, do we want to be free, or do we want to be slaves?"
..........
She's rehearsing for Passover. She's going to Eric Cantor's for the Seder and she's practicing the lingo.
Posted by: katmom on April 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM | PERMALINK
She's rehearsing for Passover. She's going to Eric Cantor's for the Seder and she's practicing the lingo.
>>>>
And maybe we can send them on a field trip to Egypt.
Posted by: katmom on April 2, 2009 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK
Truly amazing how these people ever manage to get elected. They parade ignorance around as something to be proud of.
Of course he's "irresponsible and foolish". He jumped to a conclusion so totally unconnected to what was being said that reasonable people are baffled as to how his brain could even work that way. The bottom line to any of their statements is to smear democrats...it's all they've got. If dems and liberals came up with the perfect answers to all our problems...answers that would make us all prosperous and happy...people like Hoekstra, Bachmann, Boehner (the whole list of these idiot repubs) would spout that being prosperous and happy could be detrimental to society, that maybe we weren't meant to be so happy, to have all the answers ....if it meant they could regain power by saying so.
The demonstration of the republican party's "principle" of hypocrisy...what they are really about is when they came up with those signs that read "Country First" while selecting Palin to be a heartbeat away from being the president.
When these goober republicans say they want us armed and dangerous and call for civil unrest and 'easy sided' revolution they are too stupid to even see that it is them and the wealthy elites they support and stand for that we will be killing.
The bankers, the wall street millionaires etc...it is Backmann we will kill first..an Beck and Palin supporters...In a revolution the wealthy are normally killed by their body guards and supporters. Riding around on your ranch bragging how every man ought to be free to build his own empire but refusing to pay your fair share of taxes etc will get you targeted.
Bachmann reminds me of Leona Helmsley ("Only little people pay taxes"). Like Beck their egos are too big to ever acknowledge "why would anyone want to behead me?". A picture of the size of the crowd in front of the Arch in St. Louis when Obama spoke there during the campaign compared to having people bused in for a McCain/Palin rally should...should be telling these goobers the majority of Americans oppose THEM. Crazy and stupid...and we're supposed to work with these people...ha! Their entire policy is chanting USA USA USA as if that answers anything. The bad acting Chuck Norris ego of 'see how important I am' is fantasy politics that any serious politician just intuitively knows to avoid. If you held a mirror up to Beck and Bachmann so they could see themselves they would just be confused but never embarrassed as would any rational person. The minority that shrinks itself has no vision yet they continue to rant.
Posted by: bjobotts on April 2, 2009 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK
First, why would any group of people "want to be slaves"? Second, slaves to whom? Bachmann didn't say.
Slaves to the rhythm Steve.........god help us we will be slaves to the rhythm!
Posted by: DonkeyKong on April 2, 2009 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK
Well, I am finding the "free or slaves" question tough to answer.
This could be one of those "Up is Down" questions that seem to characterize conservative thought. Michelle Bachmann is someone who, when asked to add 2 + 3, will answer "1" and get all agitated and accuse you of being a socialist if you suggest 5 might be a better answer.
So, does choosing "free" mean, choosing to be like Michelle Bachmann, like "a crazy paranoid narcissist who makes up shit and thinks she is clever?" So, at the moment I'm leaning "slave." Especially if choosing "slave" means obtaining universal health care, job creation, policies that strengthen the middle class, a chance to combat global warming and develop sustainable energy. Sorry, Michelle.
Posted by: PTate in Mn on April 2, 2009 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Posted by: Glen Beck on April 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM | PERMALINK
hoekstra is just another victim of Dutch inbreeding here in the Mitten State.
he is as crazy as that aunt in the basement.
Posted by: Inbred Dutch Boy on April 2, 2009 at 8:19 PM | PERMALINK
I say let them dog-whistle and base-play all they want. McCain/Palin went that route. The crazies are a minority. The rest of us know what's behind the curtain. Repubs are driving themselves off a cliff.
Posted by: henry lewis on April 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM | PERMALINK
If other countries don't want to accept the US dollar as reserve currency, then they too are free to drop it. How would any American politician stop them?
Posted by: Bob M on April 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM | PERMALINK
Hey, they don't call him "Crazy Pete" for nothing...
Posted by: Redshift on April 2, 2009 at 11:24 PM | PERMALINK
They know what they're doing. This will all be swept into choreographed jingoistic hysteria in response to war-crimes indictments overseas or in the ICC. You think one move ahead, they think five or six.
Posted by: rearguard on April 2, 2009 at 11:56 PM | PERMALINK
I agree with many of you that these right wing hacks know exactly what they're doing. They are whipping up the wingnut base, particularly the Left Behind crowd, with crazy notions about Obama that have zero basis in fact. The sad thing is that Fox viewers actually believe this crapola, and they are getting whipped up into an irrational paranoid frenzy. I expect Beck and the other hacks at Fox to incite the masses, but it's beyond irresponsible for Republican members of Congress to participate in this dangerous game.
Posted by: frontstreet on April 3, 2009 at 1:29 AM | PERMALINK
"The Birthers" is completely wrong: Malcolm X was born in Nebraska. And whatever The Birthers' opinion of Jamaica Plain might be, he/she seems unaware it is a neighborhood of Boston, easily researchable.
Posted by: jk on April 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK