Both seem more "well, duh" than "creepy".

There are cracks beginning to appear. With some quiet incentives here and there, we might see some people start to speak out against the "file makers."

The voters didn't make George Bush the President in 2000. The US Supreme Court did.

Rove has a file? Hmm, I remember when Rove had "The Math." That turned out not to be true.

Didn't Rove just criticize Obama the other day for telling a Democratic Rep that he was "keeping score" regarding how Dem reps voted for Obama's budget?

So tracking votes is thuggish and unstatesman-like, while keeping files of criticisms is not?

Karl Rove is a turd.

The people elected Al Gore. The Supreme Court would not have been able to steal the election without a little help from their friends in Tallahassee. I think Feeney had at least as much to do with making Bush president as "the people."

The speaker did make George W. Bush president. That election was stolen.

And yes, Rove is an operator and has learned from Hoover. Keep files.

Um, I'm not sure it's creepy that Rove keeps such files. In fact, it's hardly surprising and not really any creepier than anything else he's done. What hit me about this exchange is that the Florida House Speaker thinks he's the one responsible for Bush getting into the White House. When Gore supporters said that sort of thing in 2000, we were told to get over it. I'm kinda hoping he steps up and tells us more.

If Feeney made Boy George II president I'd expect Rove to keep a file on him. First, because that kind of corruption can always come back to bite you, and second Rove would want NOBODY to convince BG2 that they were more responsible for him being president than t^rd blossom.

What would be creepy is the two of them wrestling in the nude at a tea bagging party.

The thing I found interesting in that exchange was the implicit assumption that personal loyalty is THE overriding issue in politics, and that any public criticism would be prima facie evidence of disloyalty. In that mindset it's inconceivable that a critic might ever be right, or that politics generally might be about anything other than the imposition of the will of the person in power, or that issues might be complex enough that critics could have valid points to make. After all, any of us who didn't support Rove's boss were obviously disloyal, and thus unworthy of consideration.

This was why these guys drove their party and our nation into a ditch.

What jimBOB said.

i don't know roe but i do tom feeney. he is one creepy dude. what's funny is that as speaker he used his office to carve out a house district that he could call he own and couldn't even hold it.

"Oh, the famous Jason Roe."

Wow, so Rove feels the need to establish he's a dick with the first words out of his mouth.

Steve Benen wrote: "... the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives in 2000 thinks he -- and not the voters -- made George W. Bush president?"

That's a very peculiar thing for you to complain about.

The voters did not make George W. Bush president. The voters -- including, specifically, the majority of voters in Florida -- voted for Al Gore.

Feeney may be overstating his role in stealing the election for Bush, but he did have an important role.

At the time the partisan Republican hacks on the US Supreme Court violated their oaths of office and issued a blatantly fraudulent decision to stop the counting of legally cast ballots in Florida according the long-standing, established standards in Florida law, Feeney and the Republican dominated Florida legislature had already announced that if the outcome of the vote count was a victory for Gore, they would throw it out and send their own slate of Bush electors to the Electoral College.

As it turned out, they didn't need to do so, but they would have. That's one of the reasons that Gore conceded.

Get Roe on-record explaining what he meant saying that, "you guys wouldn't be in the White House without Tom."

Viz. Anony:

The blossom is off the turd.

uh, the voters didn't elect george w. bush; the u.s. supreme court installed him in that position. and so ashamed of their actions, they refuse to let their actions stand as precedent.

Oooh, Karly has files on peeple who say bad things about georgie porgie.

Man, I'm cringing in my boots.

In Cheney's immortal words...I say to Rove. GFY!

It's way past time for Rove to fade into the dustbin of history, along with his boy George and sharp-shooter Dick.

When Mini-Limbaugh starts picking fights and making threats of physical violence against GOPer thugs in public, then you know that the wheels have come off the elephant's tricycle.

And---although it may sound a bit thuggish in its own right---I know a lot of people who'd have thoroughly enjoyed trading places with Jason Roe; just long enough to up-end Rove's table into his lap, then drag him out of the chair and throw him to the floor....

"I know a lot of people who'd have thoroughly enjoyed trading places with Jason Roe; just long enough to up-end Rove's table into his lap, then drag him out of the chair and throw him to the floor...."
Posted by: S. Waybright on April 10, 2009

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Which is creepier: that the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives in 2000 thinks he -- and not the voters -- made George W. Bush president? Or that Karl Rove keeps files on those who've been critical of George W. Bush?

Huh? The first isn't creepy--it's tragedy, an outrage, but also a fact we knew eight years ago. The latter--now that's creepy!

3) That "grown men" are making scenes in nice restaurants, when other people are trying to eat?

Along with everything else, what's really unnerving is that Roe is desperately trying to "disabuse" Goring, er, Rove of any doubts as to Feeney's "loyalty." Who says Limbutt is king? I mean, here's a guy practically begging Rove to allow Feeney back into the club. Creepy, definitely, and a great picture of how devolved, on a personal level, these guys have become. They all behave like poorly parented seventh grade girls. This cancer is gonna take some serious chemo.

The voters ? Are you joking. It wasn't Tom Feeney it was the Supreme Court. Everyone knows that.

And you're not really suggesting that you ever doubted the Karl Rove keeps files on people who criticize George Bush are you ?

For more on Feeney and stolen elections go to

BradBlog.com

There's a lot there.

Just on gp's I'd say Karl Rove is creepier than anything you could put up against him.

However, the he said/he said thingy is just plain ole fun, as far as I'm concerned.

That Karl Rove STILL admits he has files on who wasn't "Bushy" enough, and defends those files, is fun, Fun, FUN!!

Let the ReThuglican cage matches BEGIN!!

We need one of those popcorn CARTS to handle this.