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April 12, 2009

DOBSON POINTS TO CULTURE WAR DEFEAT.... James Dobson delivered a farewell speech to the Focus on the Family staff, and conceded that the culture war he helped start hasn't turned out well for the agents of intolerance. Indeed, Dobson almost sounded resigned to defeat.

James Dobson, 72, who resigned recently as head of Focus on the Family -- one of the largest Christian groups in the country -- and once denounced the Harry Potter books as witchcraft, acknowledged the dramatic reverse for the religious Right in a farewell speech to staff.

"We tried to defend the unborn child, the dignity of the family, but it was a holding action," he said.

"We are awash in evil and the battle is still to be waged. We are right now in the most discouraging period of that long conflict. Humanly speaking, we can say we have lost all those battles."

Now, in fairness, this report omitted some context. As my friend Kyle reported, Dobson actually emphasized his desire to keep the fight going, despite the religious right movement's setbacks: "Humanly speaking, we can say that we have lost all those battles, but God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right? ... I have been assured by the board and by many of you that we're not going to cow, we're not going to be discouraged."

That said, whether Dobson and his cohorts give up now or not, his assessment about their lack of success is nevertheless accurate. The culture war is all but over, and far-right evangelicals have precious little to show for their efforts. After about three decades of fighting, the culture warriors are hard pressed to point to any progress at all.

Anti-gay animus is not only waning, four states now allow gay marriage. Abortion is still legal and a majority of Americans are still pro-choice. School prayer isn't even on the political world's radar screen anymore. Pornography is not only a multi-billion industry; it's more accessible than ever. The single fastest growing segment of the American spiritual landscape is non-believers and those with no religious identification.

In 1998, President Clinton's approval rating went up after getting caught in a sex scandal, and in 2008, the first admitted adulterer to ever run for president sought and won the Republican Party's presidential nomination.

Not only does the Republican Party establishment largely ignore its theocratic wing, but there are growing fissures in evangelical Christian communities, with a growing number of evangelicals, especially younger ones, rejecting the Dobson agenda and political worldview.

Dobson isn't giving up, and I suspect the religious right movement will keep pushing its misguided agenda. But humanly speaking, this crowd has not only lost all their battles, they should probably stop trying to win.

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I think you're stretching it a bit when you say that "the culture warriors are hard pressed to point to any progress at all." Don't forget W.'s 2004 re-election, Prop8 and the various state constitutional amendments. Those count.

Posted by: Daniel Morgan on April 12, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

"After about three decades of fighting, the culture warriors are hard pressed to point to any progress at all.

Well, their definition of progress.

Posted by: ChicagoPat on April 12, 2009 at 8:44 AM | PERMALINK

Adding to Daniel Morgan's list, they got the Supreme Court and a lot of circuit court positions as well.

Posted by: Danp on April 12, 2009 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

These can do (and have done) a lot of damage along the way, not just politically but to religion actually by using it as a bludgeon. But they are fighting a rearguard action against history and are bound to fail.

Once gay marriage is an issue we are seriously debating, rather than a punch line in a comedy routine, the cultural change these people are so scared of has already happened. It's like when the Southern Baptists passed that resolution a few years ago about the wife's role in a marriage being one of loving submission to her husband: If you have to say it explicitly, rather than it being taken for granted, you've already lost.

I think the more important question is what can we do to positively address the anxieties that these kinds of issues reflect? Let's call this the "drain the swamp" strategy. I take it for granted that the leaders of these movements are crass opportunists. But many of the people they touch are not.

Posted by: larry birnbaum on April 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM | PERMALINK

"Humanly speaking, we can say that we have lost all those battles, but God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right? ... "

So God is to blame for their lost battles? Or, is God not listening closely enough to Dobson and his ilk? What's always been repugnant of the religeous right's leaders has been their spiritual vanity. Sometimes you have to wonder if Dobson thinks he's holier than Jesus. Dobson's arrogance would have us believe that only he and his radical brethren can correctly determine the will of God. If we take that at face value, then it's clear the God wanted him to lose all along. So now he must keep up the fight against God's will because....?

My brain hurts.

Posted by: JoeW on April 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

"Anti-gay animus is not only waning, four states now allow gay marriage. Abortion is still legal and a majority of Americans are still pro-choice. School prayer isn't even on the political world's radar screen anymore. Pornography is not only a multi-billion industry; it's more accessible than ever. The single fasting growing segment of the American spiritual landscape is non-believers and those with no religious identification."
These people still believe they can return to the 50's where at least this stuff was kept in the closet where it belongs ;-).
I was flipping through the channels last night and came across the Ten Commandments. Ol' Chuck Heston (Moses)is just descending from the mountain with the tablets and comes across the scene of debauchery ... and proceeds to rain on their fun. What a party pooper. I suspect that Dobson takes that film as fact and wishes he could be as powerful as Old Chuck Heston.

Posted by: John R on April 12, 2009 at 9:40 AM | PERMALINK

interesting that the fat, misogynistic, bastard would choose the word "cow"

Posted by: tb on April 12, 2009 at 9:42 AM | PERMALINK

Apropos of the prior "channel flipping" comment, it should be noted that the religious right still largely controls television's censorship standards. Their practice of bringing mass complaints to the FCC has a tremendous chilling effect on programming, resulting in its being purged of anything remotely vulgar or offensive lest networks face enormous fines.

Posted by: Peter on April 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM | PERMALINK

Thankfully, many younger evangelicals were never infused with Dobson's mindset, and are instead focusing on issues of social justice (the environment, the economy, etc.) instead of the tired culture wars, just as many progressive Catholics have done for years. They realize something Dobson has mever understood: God is not an ideologue.

Posted by: Vincent on April 12, 2009 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

The longer the powers that be, on both sides of the aisle, use 'culture war' issues to distract us from the fact that our manufacturing base is devestated, that we've had fairly high unemployment since the late 70's (we just changed how we counted unemployment to hide it), and the fact that wages haven't gone up for the same time period.

In fact, I'd wager it's not so much that anyone 'lost' the culture wars, it's just that those other problems have gotten so big they can no longer cover up the rean systemic rot in our society.

Posted by: soullite on April 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Ah, the Committee of Public Safety is currently very busy - Had to send a tumbrel for Pastor Rick Warren to have him explain in open "court" his apparent flip flopping about Prop 8 to Larry King.

But, Dobson, at 72, will, finally, have the time to go to divinity school. Come back at 76?

Posted by: bertheclock on April 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

What does that even mean, "we're not going to cow"?

I suppose in today's cutthroat political environment, it's cow or be cowed.

Posted by: nonc on April 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM | PERMALINK

The culture war will continue; the location of the front lines will simply be moved. The clearest example of this is "pornography". Today's wide availability of nude images and other sexually explicit materials would have been utterly horrifying a few decades ago. But has the war on pornography been "lost"? No, it simmers on, largely by using the continuing strong consensus against child abuse to fight child pornography battles that sometimes are, and sometimes are not, related to actually protecting children. There is rarely an explicit acknowledgement of far the line has shifted. Don't be surprised if the same "move the lines but keep fighting" phenomenon continues for decades more.

Posted by: Ken D. on April 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM | PERMALINK

I remember this Dobson guy on TV, during a talking heads conversation about education. He got this big happy smile and said, "I want to be a part of your children's education!" And all I could think was, I wouldn't want that histrionic little narcissistic sociopath anywhere near my kids.

As Roger Ebert said regarding Bill O'Reilly... "There once was a mouse named Squeaky, who was floating on his back down the Chicago river. When he shouted, 'Quick raise the bridge, I have an erection!'"

Posted by: Dolmance on April 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK

I do not believe any one organization such as Dobson's should be the "human Bible" and that any other religion should be so ignored.
God is no respecter of persons, he is a loving GOD of all!
I heard Dobson speak once and he is arrogant to the point he owns religion.
The cultural war is "beaten" well........
bea, chicago

Posted by: betty berger on April 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Dude, it's obvious you're gay, but deeply immersed in confusion. Enjoy your gayness, celebrate!

Posted by: Rod on April 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM | PERMALINK

To the first poster: Bush stole the 2004 election, so I wouldn't be so proud of that one if I were you.

Posted by: robscout on April 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

well part of the reason they lost was because of to narrow a focus.

they wanted to protect the unborn but could care less about the born. for them right to life ended at birth.

they wanted to defend the family but when it came to economic success of the family they were against it standing by international corporations that were out to destroy the family.

it was a movement founded on hatred that offered no hope.

Posted by: ariveria on April 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

Hey sicko, I hope your "God" will forgive you for being so judgemental on other human beings. I have know a few people that was so judgemental on Gays, not knowing there was a gay in their own family or all that time the person who criticized was gay themselves, but was in denial. So retire and shutup!

Posted by: Yoli on April 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

No mentioning of the conservative success of keeping assault weapons in the hands of mentally deranged people? Interesting...I'd consider cold-blooded murder so much more evil than gay marriage.

Posted by: Laurie Mann on April 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

As a little boy in the 1940s, I remember my Dad telling me, "when a man tells you he is a christian, take your pocketbook and run like hell". "When he proves to you he is a christian, you can trust him with your pocketbook". I'm 68 now and ol dad has been right all along. These self appointed moral leaders, are for the most part full of barnyard apples, they are for things that may sound good on the surface, but in practice, are "caster oil", with no good results. Do I think these stupid ideas will go away? No I don't, because there is a lot of money at stake, and just like drug gangs these folks love money as much as power.

Posted by: J.D. Lape' Monticello Arkansas on April 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM | PERMALINK

Good riddance. Dobson is one of the most intolerant people in the US. Obviously, he does NOT speak for the majority. In his view, it is his way or the highway. Go play in traffic, sir.

Posted by: BlueStater on April 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM | PERMALINK

Dobson is not the first person, nor will he be the last, to blame all of today's "evils" on societal progress and advancements in technology.

Perhaps he would be more at home if he moved to Lancaster County, PA.

Posted by: labman57 on April 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

Dobson, you are right when you say God is in control. When are you going to start listening to him?

Posted by: PLGillis on April 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

As I recall, awhile back there was serious questioning in some evangelical circles over whether Dobson was a heretic or not. The charge was that he had elevated his brand of marriage and family ideology above the Christian gospel. After all, it was Jesus who said, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters, yes even his own life, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke 14:26). Dobson sought to make Christianity relevant for people by turning away from the "take up your cross and follow me" path and emphasizing "family values." The latter fit nicely into the "health and wealth gospel" frenzy. The next step was to claim a divine mandate in trying to foist Dobson's version of family values onto everyone else. Evangelical Christianity has suffered a serious setback as a result. When people hear the label Evangelical, many now think of GOP shock troops, homo-phobic haters, anti-abortion crusaders, intolerant cultural warriors. For a movement that used to claim it offered a message of God's love for all the people of the world, it has been a very negative transformation. Losing the culture war and putting this chapter behind them may be the best thing for Evangelicals.

Posted by: YakJack on April 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM | PERMALINK

If teh evil gayz have won the culture wars, then where are all the public orgies? That's what I want to know.

Posted by: Valkyrie607 on April 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

Interesting to ponder is the fact that a recent survey showed pornography is more rampant in red than in blue states. I remain baffled by the intolerance Dobson's group has projected onto the American psyche in the name of God.

Posted by: Nancie on April 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

As a Christian, I must say that this gentleman has hit the target dead center. Christians do not advertise their love, they show it through forgiveness and acceptance. Yes, I have a problem with Gay Marriage but not with Gays. Yes, I am pro-life but not in the case of incest, rape, medical and mental issues. I do believe that when Paul said "moderation in all things" really means something. I also believe that the progressive Christian is more in concert with Jesus than the conservative, fundamentalist who professes Christianity.

Posted by: LC James on April 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM | PERMALINK

This country may be "awash in evil" but it is the evil of the old thinking. My grandchildren go to a Unitarian church. They are smart, good students, honest and love people of all colors and sexual orientation. They are the future of this country. Dr. Dobson's days are over. This is a multi-racial and multi-religious country.
Contrary to GOP thinking, this country was not founded on "rugged individualism" but on "the common good." Look up the Puritans and do some reading!

Posted by: Sandy on April 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

A Letter to Mr. Dobson. "Focus On Jesus, Not On Money, Power" Mr. Dobson, You are not a Christian Leader. You are a defeated Leader, if you are a successful leader, then Jesus failed.

Mr. Dobson. You know. Evil never prevail. Conservative Christianity stood with evil or racism, Nazis, white supermacists, hate groups and then preach about the morality, kingdom of God. Jesus said his Kingdom is not of this world, but you tried to build a political nation of Christianity. You (all conservative leadership) made being Republican as the credential to be a Christian, instead of faith in Jesus Christ. Christianity of your udnerstanding is a Christianity of "pick and chose Christianity". But the Christianity What Jesus preached about is the faith, love , compassion, care for the most underpreveleged, untouchables, while you made your voice so loud to care for the rich, and concenred bout how to become rich, just in the name of freedome. You stood with rich in this nation who deprive and deny the right of poor people. You stood with rich who neglected to raise minimum wage from $5.50. You know what? Jesus spent 100% of his time, spent with thses underprevelged and for them, cared for them, heal them and provide them. Last 400 years of history of American history, conservative Christianity stood with slavery, racism, segregation, oppression, and used the message of Christ and the Bible as a tool to justify the evil you stood with. Now you prove me what is the good with American Conservative Christianity??
What is the authenticity of your message of simple faith in Christ will save you for eternal life, while you question President Obamas faith in Jesus. Why do you Preach if President Obama's faith in Jesus never save him? why we need all these Christian missions around the world?
If President Obama's faith is not enough to save him, how you know your faith in Jesus will save you and make you Christian? If President Obama's faith will not make him Christian, the entire Christainity is in vain. The entire efforts of Christian Church of last 2000 years in vain. Because If Jesus canot make Obama a Christain based on his faith in Christ, that is the same principle applicable for all human beings.
If Jesus canot make Obama a Christain based on his faith, then Mr.Dobson, you are teaching and preaching about a "failed Jesus".

When President Obama quotes from Bible you were so quick to judege his interpretatin as "fruit Cake interpretation"?
If President Obama's faith does not matter, to be Christian, why are you a Pastor? why are you botherd to protect family? Because your message to protect family, or to make or lead people to Christ is in vain. because If Jesus canot save a man based on his faith in Christ, why are you making all these efforts?? Is Jesus Failed. Or you are the judge 'who is eligible to become Christian'
When Gov. Palin's daughter pregnancy issue became news, you (all conservative Christian leaders) were so loud to praise her decision to keep the baby, and project her as a model? And you send a wrong signal to the world, that it is ok to have pre-marital sex, which totallly against the fundamentals of your Christian message? You are a Failed Leader.
While at the same time all world is Praising President Obama and his Family relationships. His family and two kids relationship is very good model to the all young people, Christian and Christian leaders of America. But a person like white racist like you, pretend as a "servant of God" failed to appreciate what you saw in President Obama's achievement as well as in his family relationship.
You didnt hesitate to praised Palin's daughter's premarital pregnancy, which premarital-sex you believe and preach against, and consider as wrong.

Take this challenge.. throw your arrogance in the sea. come down to the level of avarage, poor people, and understand their concerns, extend your compassion, concerns, love to all people iresepective of their color of the skin, social status, economical status, because Jesus cared for all. Follow the Leader. If you follow the Leader, you will not be a defeated leader.
"Focus on Jesus"

Posted by: Mathew Thomas on April 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM | PERMALINK

This country could use a few morals but I'm not sure James Dobson's are the ones.

Posted by: M.E. on April 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK

You should rejoice Mr Dobson, after all, God is perfect and everything happens 'according to his plan', right! You lost because it was his plan. McCain/Palin lost because it was his plan. Either that or he doesn't exist. http://godisimaginary.com

Posted by: LanosIceland on April 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatives want it all or nothing. A compromise is a loss. I'm sorry, but most displays of so-called conservatism have been nothing more than a corporate version of christianity demanding that the whole world assimilate to their protocol. Pro life is protecting unborn but cheering on an out of control president in his getting thousands of innocent Iraqis killed and tortured. To prosper is to give unabated permission to corporations to poison the water, environment, and economy for the greed of a few. Yes, I hope this policy fails because if it does, God's earth will survive.

Posted by: GB on April 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't Dobson the one who laid off his employees at Focus on the Family during a recession in order to have more money to spend to pass Prop 8? Nothing says "support families" like taking people's jobs (no matter how awful) in order to prevent other people from getting married!

Posted by: Adam on April 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM | PERMALINK

Well, a lot less evil and hypocrisy now that Dobson's leaving the national stage.

Posted by: Malby on April 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

"Be of good cheer. I have overcome the world."
I'll never understand how 'the religious right' has ever expected any better results than they have 'achieved'.
They just make mockery of The Word. They'd protest to Pontius Pilate.
It's none of my business what the world believes. The world can not recognize the Paraclete. But a man or woman can be given that once in a lifetime gift (my experience) of about 4 seconds of knowing, which is the anchor that has kept me never second guessing. How can a poor mortal who has not been given the gift of unshakable truth be expected to not be of the world? My recommendation...attraction, not promotion. We don't push people out of our light at the beach, there is plenty to go around. Nice haircuts and suits and begging for cash for 'our position'....what a turn-off, man.

Posted by: Brian Intangible on April 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

Jefferson thought 'religion would corrupt politics' and Madison thought 'politics would corrupt religion'. They were both right and we are witnessing what happens when you corrupt the teachings of Jesus Christ to justify war, the death penality, torture, racism etc., etc.....
The non-profit tax status needs to be enforced against these 'polticians' in 'Sheep's Clothing'!

Posted by: Duane on April 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

Does Dobson really think that an all powerful God really gives a crap about whether or not he and his fellow travelers will some sort of moral, cultural battle.

Posted by: James M. Ridgway, Jr. on April 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

So, when love and tolerance are ascendant the Christians have lost?

Posted by: Richard Wells on April 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM | PERMALINK

HAPPY EASTER, HAPPY SPRING, HAPPY, HAPPY, EVERYTHING! Goodbye and good riddance to Dobson...hope he finds time to contemplate the EVIL that his version of religiosity has brought to AMERICA...perhaps he'll get in touch with his inner Jesus...HA! Folks like Mr. Dobson have driven many away from the doors of organized religion...faith and religion are not the same!!!

Posted by: Dancer on April 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah cuz the good old days of slavery, internment camps, jim crow, government sponsored Christian Knights of the KKK weren't evil enough. Give me a break Dobson, you're just experiencing sore loser syndrome you will survive buddy

Posted by: trish on April 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

The Religious Right wanted nothing less than a total theocracy. Anything short of that, they see as a failure.

They were successful in flooding the public square with dogma, persecuting innocent people during the '80's "Satanic Panic" fad, chilling free speech in matters of reason and science. They accomplished far more tyranny than any group should ever be allowed.

Posted by: Stacey Tallitsch on April 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

The Culture War has now changed into a Class War.

Posted by: Arliss on April 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

The evil has come, and it is them.

Posted by: Pam on April 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM | PERMALINK

Dobson represents the worst in America: A bigot cloaked in the fine garments of religion. Too bad his followers were/are blinded by his intolerance in the name of Christ. His focus was/is on the destruction of families that don't look and act like his. He is/was/will be the supreme hypocrite of Republican proportions...

I am sure there will be a slot waiting for him on Fox None-News.

Posted by: G.L. Moore on April 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Oh yes, Chuck D. IS certainly ' awash in evil '. One of the Focus On The Family ministers, Juan Alberto Ovalle, http://tinyurl.com/df4ay6 was just charged with two felonies for his blatant attempted seduction of what he believed to be a fifteen year old female child.

Chuck D. is probably relieved because his very own pedophile minister, Juan Alberto Ovalle, tried his very best to have sex with this female child so at least the charges against Ovalle were based on his commission of a heterosexually based felony and weren't teh gay based.

Posted by: Allen McDonald, El Galloviejo on April 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

No progress? Almost three decades of GOP wins and, now, the inevitable result of that: lots more poor people. As we know, Jesus loves the poor, so that must be progress, no?

Posted by: BobN on April 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM | PERMALINK

The most unfortunate thing about Dobson and his organization is that it ever saw this is a "war" to begin with. Culture is something to interact with - not something to conquer, as I see it. Churches, at their best, should promote and affirm love and hope above all else. Rather than despair, Dr. Dobson might look and see that there is quite a bit of good in American culture, even now, and take some hope and encouragement from that. A dose of humility all around wouldn't hurt, either.

Posted by: Jim McElwain on April 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM | PERMALINK

We should be funding these Idiots if we believe in Democracy. The more they do the more the GOP loses!

Posted by: A Stern on April 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

While the movement may be on the wane, it can not be accurately said that it didn't have successes. They were able to pack the federal judiciary with judges who enjoy lifetime appointments. The rulings they make will be with us for decades. No, Roe v. Wade hasn't been overturned, but these judges shape such crucial things as tort "reform" and how discrimination laws will be interpreted/enforced.

Posted by: The Daily Wit on April 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

After performing four abortions for fun today and attending an anti-Easter Satanic ritual, I'm too exhausted to care what Dobson thinks.

Posted by: El Pinche on April 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Christianity has as much validity as Scientology, witchcraft, or satan worshipping. All are based on a bunch of voodoo, black magic, and superstitious nonsense.


Well, what do you think? Pretty outrageous statement, eh?

What you are experiencing is some of the pain, anger, and outrage felt by the homosexual community when their lifestyle is equated with pedophilia or bestiality.

Of course, you will no doubt claim that your comparisons are justified whereas the other one is not. Just further evidence of the holier-than-thou self-righteousness, prejudice, and hypocrisy of the so-called "religious right".

Posted by: labman57 on April 12, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Let Dobson spend eternity with Ted Haggard and Larry Craig.

Posted by: Jesus Jones on April 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM | PERMALINK

Ah yes... The news is good! The christofacists are in retreat.

And it will stay that way. If you doubt it, consult the best barometer of all: What the young girls are wearing:

They are dressing like sluts! They are acting like sluts! They are sluts!

Splendid!

Posted by: Playin Possum on April 12, 2009 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

I am so glad that the republicans are out, simply because its time for a change. The republicans need to know how to except defeat and move on. We have had a republican president for 8 years family values my a$$, yeah republicans have lost there way and mind it seems. We should send them all to Iraq to first this war they started

Posted by: Sharpe Eason on April 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

why is that religous people see everything as war? They should be first to understand we all humans and we all different.

get out of your war mentality paranoia and maybe you start to see things the way they are.

Posted by: ezvu on April 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

My hat is off to the thoughtful comment by Michael Thomas. It is gratifying to see so many comments that illustrate to me that God is on his throne, and the message of love, tolerance, duty to the least of God's children is being heard and acted upon. Have we finally heard the "Sermon on the Mount".. blessed are the poor in spirit...?

Posted by: David Boyer on April 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

3 words for you, Dobson: Ha, ha, ha. You can slither off the stage now.

Posted by: american refugee on April 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

LC James said:
As a Christian, I must say that this gentleman has hit the target dead center. Christians do not advertise their love, they show it through forgiveness and acceptance. Yes, I have a problem with Gay Marriage but not with Gays. Yes, I am pro-life but not in the case of incest, rape, medical and mental issues. I do believe that when Paul said "moderation in all things" really means something. I also believe that the progressive Christian is more in concert with Jesus than the conservative, fundamentalist who professes Christianity.
**************

THANK YOU! This is who I always thought Christians were. Not war mongers and haters. Right wingers confuse me. They seem to hate everyone, even those who agree with them. I think they were the kids always bullied in school, and now they take out their anger and confusion on society.
TEA PARTIES, WHERE WERE THEY WHEN BUSH WAS PRES? 2% OF THE POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY IS NOW IN POSSESSION OF 80% OF THE WEALTH, THIS WAS DONE ON PURPOSE, SO ALL THE 'LITTLE PEOPLE' WOULD HAVE NO POWER.
Well, you get what you deserve and you deserve whatever you get!
WHERE WAS THE OXYMORON LIMPD*CK, HANNITY, BECK AND THE REST OF THE LIARS WHEN BUSH WAS STARTING WARS, LYING, CHEATING AND STEALING US BLIND, HEY, THAT WAS PERFECTLY FINE,
HYPOCRITES!

Posted by: Andrea D on April 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

We can thank Mr. Dobson and his merry band of born-again bigots for 8 years of George W. Bush. It will take us a long time to recover, hopefully, we will long remember Mr. Dobson and his followers for their contribution to the worst Presidency in American History. When we see the pictures of the Taliban whipping the woman in public, we should pause to reflect where religious zealots can lead us.

Posted by: dwedge on April 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

This man is evil. He is what's been wrong with our country for the past 30 years. He is filled with hate and uses the bible as a weapon. He is a danger to our core principles of freedom.

Posted by: Keith on April 12, 2009 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK

Well James Dobson... What did you expect when you are racist, full of hate and speak evil of Christians who speak in tongues, preach that signs, wonders and miracles are for today as in the early church as well as teach that there are no Apostles today? You cut your own throat and don't even know it. You are simply no more than a bigoted glorified Southern Baptist who is religious but not spiritual.
I waited for years to say this and I hope James Dobson gets this comment.


A concerned Pastor

Posted by: Paul on April 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

I, too, appreciate the short essay by Michael Thomas. Apparently, he gets it. Dobson, by contrast, wouldn't recognize Jesus if he bitch-slapped him in broad daylight for his (Dobson's) hypocrisy. Dobson has absolutely NO concept of the tenets of Christianity, nor certainly any allegiance to them. He's like the current Pope: all about money, power & social control. Benedict would like to take the Catholic Church back to the 4th or 5th Century; Dobson wants to go back only, say, to the 14th or 15th, when religionists still controlled governments...oh, yeah, I almost forgot: they still do in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and to way too great a degree, Iraq. And we see how that's working out, don't we, especially for women and "the family."

Posted by: Bob Walters on April 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

if its true that believing is a faith then why does it have to be proved who are they fighting did christ call us to fight or have faith. How many people or cultures not understood in their time were not supported even vilified by people using faith in God as a reason for their unGodly behavior. Gay folks do not have to be accepted by the dr dobsons of the world, but thats not the last word ... the man upstairs gets that and his day will come .. having persecuted gays and every other group of people that wer'nt well represented at the time will not get you into heaven

Posted by: rufferrobert on April 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM | PERMALINK

Revs. Falwell and Robertson instantly--within a day or so--pronounced the 9-11 attacks God's righteous punishment for sin. In this they agreed with the Islamic Jihad. They backpedaled, but the damages had already been done--probably the most important long-term effect of 9-11 has been to make religion everywhere look bad. Quite right, too.

Posted by: archer on April 12, 2009 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

We become a stronger country when people of this clowns ilk are no more, since when are his thoughts about Gods will better than mine. Is he God? People like him drive people away from the church because it is his beliefs or none. He is a disgrace!

Posted by: richard on April 12, 2009 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

i ain't much on the repubs, but a little of this goes a long way.

Posted by: mike on April 12, 2009 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Dobson. Ye art truly the kettle calling thee kettle black.
Good riddance, and here's hoping we never see your like again.

Posted by: David Johnson on April 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK

Re: Brian Intangible @ http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_04/017709.php#1483941

You, sir, are delusional and should get help. I've had 4-second revelations, too, that I once clung to with smug self-satisfaction that I knew right and others didn't. But I was deluded, and so are you. People have great capacity to see what they want to see. Moreover, your inspiration is not what faith is about. You have circumvented the gospel without realizing it. You do not understand the meaning of faith and your house is built on sand. There is no god, but if you're going to persist in believing in one, you should at least have the decency to find out what real faith is. It's not 4-second self-deceptions.

Posted by: Saintless Matthew on April 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Yea, we won!

I'll go watch some gay porn now.

Just to celebrate.

Posted by: Joe Bua on April 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

A toast to the real "left behinds".

Posted by: gloater on April 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

What I find scary is that a large number of people actually listen to this idiot. Are people so unsure of themselves that they have to turn to someone like him to feel better about themselves? He seems like the type of person who would set the world on fire and say it was God's will, while his hair brained followers worshiped him for doing it. Is he any different than Jim Jones, David Koresh, or Helter Skelter himself, Charles Manson?

Listen up Dobson, take your weak band of followers and move to Iran, I think you will fit in better there. We here in America believe in religious freedom. We are a nation of people that are diverse and strong and your vile, hateful way of life isn't welcome here.

Posted by: Keith on April 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM | PERMALINK

Good riddance! They should stay in church and out of politics and out of my life!. Why don't they understand what freedom means? It means most Americans don't want a bunch of religious zealots deciding how we live our lives.

Posted by: Craig on April 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM | PERMALINK

The problem is with the metaphor -- culture war. It would have been better to conduct the conservative effort as an educational and social effort rather than a political "culture war." There is much to be said about the stability, security and sanity a conservative lifestyle bring to persons embracing it. The problem is that Dobson and his followers did not understand that they needed to market that to people and persuade them one person at a time rather than trying to impose virtue on people through government policies.

Most of the questions his movement addressed belong in the courts anyway, rather than the two other branches, and the courts are ultimately informed by the constitution, which is a libertarian document -- the same laws that protect Dobson's rights protect those who disagree with him.

Also lost in Dobson's message is the traditional Christian message of inclusion, forgiveness and tolerance. Dobson worships Christ, who dined with tax collectors, prostitutes, Romans and other maligned and unpopular people. Would Dobson dine with drag queens?

Posted by: Jack Kalpakian on April 12, 2009 at 6:11 PM | PERMALINK

So calm down, focus on your own family Jimmy, and go take a shower with a boy to show him how big a man you are.

Posted by: bonkin on April 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM | PERMALINK

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.


I'm afraid the culture wars were effective to some degree -- keeping these antidilluvian apes and their fantasies in the news.

Posted by: Vic on April 12, 2009 at 7:05 PM | PERMALINK

Lets face it, the Dobsons of the religious right are really inept at teaching what is good about Christianity. If anything, they turn more people off of Christianity.

If an alien from another planet were given a copy of the new testament and asked to summerize the teachings of Jesus and Christianity, the alien would probably come up with a short list that looks like this.
1. Forgiveness, all humans are sinners and all need forgiveness.
2. Help the poor and sick, these are the two most noble things we as human beings can do.
3. Jesus died for our sins and was raised into heaven.

If the same alien were asked to review video of Dobson's most important speeches and his most widely read writings, the short list would look like this.

1. Gay people are evil - they choose a life of debauchery and can be cured by Christianity.
2. Abortion is murder - Abortion is the 2nd most evil thing in the world.
3. Republicans are Christians and everyone else is not.

Dobson is probably responsible for turning more people away from Christianity than he has saved. In that respect he and his life have been complete and utter failures.

Posted by: Bill on April 12, 2009 at 7:20 PM | PERMALINK

There is no cultural war, only self-inflicted friendly fire by cultural bigots like Dobson. The Left has never had to do anything but sit back and watch in amazement as "Christofascists" like Dobson,Falwell and Robertson make fools of themselves with outrageous remarks directed toward groups outside their cult flocks. Instead of accepting Christ's message of salvation in a spirit of humility and circumspection these zealots have appointed themselves "God's army"- "defenders of the faith" (Crusades anyone?), and in so doing have systematically undermined the revolutionary message of the true God Who requires no earthly intervention save for consciousness that "all have sinned and fallen short", and certainly, no spirit of intolerance.

The liberating message of God's loving forgiveness is hidden from the people as men like James Dobson and Jerry Falwell, men with serious and unresolved personal conflicts, set themselves as our overseers. The Cult of Dobson begins. Other thoughtful voices are snuffed out, and a cynical and systematic megalomania rises to blanket the public with messages of intolerance and bigotry masquerading as the wisdom of God. The Kool Aid is passed around to the cult flock and they take the message of God's salvation into their own bloody hands. Drs are shot through their kitchen windows as their children watch. Women are assaulted as they seek compassionate medical attention, by rabid hounds, using God's love as a bludgeonb. Presidential candidates get death threats in the name of God. Wars are fought around the world with people we do not know and have no real issue with. All the while, the Jim Jones's watch from hell with smiling approval.

The world we live in is a diverse one, with many religions and cultures worthy of our respect and undertsnding. American exceptionalism as practiced by tragic figures like Dobson has no lasting place in this world because it is inauthentic and pathological. There is no war, except the American war with itself, over its historic values. Will God's true message resonate in America ("love one another as thyselves") or will an aging band of self-promoting fools continue to gestate cult-like followers who fail to ask themselves fundamental questions about the relationship of God's love to their own sinful nature. A message of intolerance, one that permits man;s inhumanity to man, cannot be long successful. It must collapse of its own weight. Dobson's teachings have come home to roost. Despite his good intentions, his failure to examine his own walk with God in light of the simplest of His teachings, has brought him to prostrate himself before the same loving God Whose message he has for so long brutally misrepresented. In his shame, we should all pray for him. And for ourselves as well. We are not much different.
How successful do you think a message of intolerance will be to the larger world as it grows in prosperity and might? A worlds free of dependence on American colonialism?

The surrounding evil that Dobson decries is but the projective fantasy of an insecure and iunstable mind. It reveals more about his own faithlessness and perversity than the world it seeks to interpret.

Sanctimoniousness that preys upon the faith of a people cannot be victorious. The people of the world yearn to live in peace. Surely, America's God is powerful enough to manage His creation. Does he really need fundamentalists of any stripe running around terrorizing us in order to fashion a world of love and tolerance and peace?

The pain you feel comes from your hypocrisy, not from the struggles of ordinary people to find meaning, worth, and civil justice in their lives. It is a consequence of your own intolerance and incivility. Mr. Dobson, your condemnation of victims of social oppression, gays, women, minorities, the poor, those of other religions, the undocumented aliens, and yes, even the incarcerated, is the very opposite of the message of the love of Jesus.

None of these groups has ever "declared war" on the so-called Christian Right. They have only clamored for their rights and cried out for our assistance in the pain of their torment. Nothing could be more unChrist-like than the deafening roar of hatred and condemnation that their pleas have been met with. These groups have aggressed aginst your adherents, shot your Doctors in front of your children, fire bombed your health clinics, lynched your children, or bombed your churches, murdered your family members, or even attacked your marriages or assailed your rates of divorce,alcohol, drug abuse, etc. We have not created campaigns to attack the legitimacy of your "family focus" cults. Nor have we taken steos to rid you of your organization's questionable tax status. Instead, you have brought yourself down.

Now Mr. Dobson, take some time in the desert of your own bitter confusion (please take Dick Cheney with you!, pick up your Bibles and read about your forebearers, the Pharisees, and ask God for wisdom and self awareness. Stop blaming others for your shame and look in the mirror.

Posted by: hotmojo on April 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

As soon as they called it a culture "war" they lost. As we've seen elsewhere, you can't attract people to your cause at the point of a gun. If what you have is really good people will copy what you are doing.

Dobson is, in my opinion, one of the more evil public figures around. Glad to see him go.

Posted by: JohnK on April 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

What would be progress to Dobson would be regress to the rest of the world, a return to a medieval view of humanity (and a level of scientific research that would reflect that). I am glad his kind are losing the battle.

Posted by: Karenfern on April 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK

The religious right has increased divisivness in this country. Has preached intolerance and violence. Has been so offensive that it has turned two generationss of young adults away from Christ's teachings of love and forgiveness and of inclusiveness.

So its not been totally unsuccessful in changing the American landscape. Its just that they have changed it for the worst.

Posted by: Marnie on April 12, 2009 at 7:57 PM | PERMALINK

Gay marriage, like American marriage generally, is a joke--a society that thinks a 60%+ divorce rate is a sustainable social and financial phenomenon is completely unserious if not delusional. Gays are getting access to the marriage franchise precisely at this point in history when it no longer mean s#&* anyway. Real marriage has a reason beyond sentimental attachment, sexual identity, or various sociopolitical posturings. Gays are just getting the heterosexuals' leftovers; some are smart enough to understand what they're doing as putting the tottering institution out of its misery. Maybe that's the best thing.

A quiet word to the enlightened ones here--watch out that you don't become the monster you hate. There's a strong whiff of elitism around here, since it's primarily the poorer classes that make up the majority of evangelicals and hold moral (but not economic) views very similar to Dobson's. Listening to some of you makes me wonder if you wouldn't put evangelicals into re-education camps in the name of "tolerance". Hate to break it to you, but these are not "new" ideas at all, except to people who woefully undereducated but possessed of the delusion that they stand at the apex of right thinking progress.

I'll take evangelicals over you people any day. At least they don't pretend to be tolerant of people they disagree with.

Posted by: Christopher'd on April 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

When would they have won the culture war? When we are all white, heterosexual, churchgoing Americans? Are they looking for global "moral" domination?

Pure hate.

Posted by: jessica on April 12, 2009 at 8:20 PM | PERMALINK

Listening to some of you makes me wonder if you wouldn't put evangelicals into re-education camps in the name of "tolerance".

If you truly wonder that then you're dismally ignorant of leftist thinking. The last thing we believe in is dogma, as is clear from this blog post and a million other examples. Put two liberals in a room and you get three different opinions and someone waiting for better data.

But I don't believe that you really wonder that. You just don't like the fact that we've had it with being branded as traitorous, godless, baby-killing heathens for years and are pushing back against duplicitous pharisees like Dobson and his ilk without apology.

There's a strong whiff of elitism around here, since it's primarily the poorer classes that make up the majority of evangelicals

To hear it told, we liberals and minorities primarily make up the poorer classes as well. How exactly are we being elitist again? If it's because we value reason and ethics over tradition and dogma then give me dat old time elitism any day.

Posted by: trex on April 12, 2009 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK
but God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right?

God is in control so surely He'll let us control everything one day!

Stupid fucker. Hurry up and get caught fucking a man who isn't your wife you poisonous old hypocrite.

Posted by: The Answer WAS Orange on April 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM | PERMALINK

There is no cultural war, only self-inflicted friendly fire by cultural bigots like Dobson. The Left has never had to do anything but sit back and watch in amazement as "Christofascists" like Dobson,Falwell and Robertson make fools of themselves with outrageous remarks directed toward groups outside their cult flocks. Instead of accepting Christ's message of salvation in a spirit of humility and circumspection these zealots have appointed themselves "God's army"- "defenders of the faith" (Crusades anyone?), and in so doing have systematically undermined the revolutionary message of the true God Who requires no earthly intervention save for consciousness that "all have sinned and fallen short", and certainly, no spirit of intolerance.
The liberating message of God's loving forgiveness is hidden from the people as men like James Dobson and Jerry Falwell, men with serious and unresolved personal conflicts, set themselves as our overseers. The Cult of Dobson begins. Other thoughtful voices are snuffed out, and a cynical and systematic megalomania rises to blanket the public with messages of intolerance and bigotry masquerading as the wisdom of God. The Kool Aid is passed around to the cult flock and they take the message of God's salvation into their own bloody hands. Drs are shot through their kitchen windows as their children watch. Women are assaulted as they seek compassionate medical attention, by rabid hounds, using God's love as a bludgeon. Presidential candidates get death threats in the name of God. Wars are fought around the world with people we do not know and have no real issue with. All the while, the Jim Jones's watch from hell with smiling approval.
The world we live in is a diverse one, with many religions and cultures worthy of our respect and understanding. American exceptionalism as practiced by tragic figures like Dobson has no lasting place in this world because it is inauthentic and pathological. There is no war, except the American war with itself, over its historic values. Will God's true message resonate in America ("love one another as thyselves") or will an aging band of self-promoting fools continue to gestate cult-like followers who fail to ask themselves fundamental questions about the relationship of God's love to their own sinful nature. A message of intolerance, one that permits man;s inhumanity to man, cannot be long successful. It must collapse of its own weight. Dobson's teachings have come home to roost. Despite his good intentions, his failure to examine his own walk with God in light of the simplest of His teachings, has brought him to prostrate himself before the same loving God Whose message he has for so long brutally misrepresented. In his shame, we should all pray for him. And for ourselves as well. We are not much different.
How successful do you think a message of intolerance will be to the larger world as it grows in prosperity and might? A worlds free of dependence on American colonialism?
The surrounding evil that Dobson decries is but the projective fantasy of an insecure and iunstable mind. It reveals more about his own faithlessness and perversity than the world it seeks to interpret.
Sanctimoniousness that preys upon the faith of a people cannot be victorious. The people of the world yearn to live in peace. Surely, America's God is powerful enough to manage His creation. Does he really need fundamentalists of any stripe running around terrorizing us in order to fashion a world of love and tolerance and peace?
The pain you feel comes from your hypocrisy, not from the struggles of ordinary people to find meaning, worth, and civil justice in their lives. It is a consequence of your own intolerance and incivility. Mr. Dobson, your condemnation of victims of social oppression, gays, women, minorities, the poor, those of other religions, the undocumented aliens, and yes, even the incarcerated, is the very opposite of the message of the love of Jesus.
None of these groups has ever "declared war" on the so-called Christian Right. They have only clamored for their rights and cried out for our assistance in the pain of their torment. Nothing could be more unChrist-like than the deafening roar of hatred and condemnation that their pleas have been met with. These groups have not aggressed against your cult adherents, shot your Doctors in front of your children, fire bombed your health clinics, lynched your children, or bombed your churches, murdered your family members, or even attacked your marriages or assailed your rates of divorce, alcohol, drug abuse, child abuse or pedophilia. We have not created campaigns to attack the legitimacy of your "family focus" cults. Nor have we taken steps to rid you of your organization's questionable tax status. Instead, you have brought yourself down.
Now Mr. Dobson, take some time in the desert of your own bitter confusion (please take Dick Cheney with you!, pick up your Bibles and read about your forebearers, the Pharisees, and ask God for wisdom and self awareness. Stop blaming others for your bitter shame and look in the mirror.

Posted by: hotmojo on April 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM | PERMALINK

I've been a lifelong Democrat, now utterly discouraged with my party. Listen to yourselves delighting in abortion. Celebrating gay marriage. Against school prayer.

I became a Democrat to live out the charity and love that Jesus preached. The Democrats were the ones putting Jesus' words into action, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, housing the homeless. Now the party stands for killing babies.

For me, Jesus always came first, and he still does. When the party leaves Jesus, and it has, I'll leave the party, and it looks like I will.

The Democrats will succeed in pushing the religious left into the arms of the religious right, and the revival of the religious right will follow.

Posted by: JTD on April 12, 2009 at 9:58 PM | PERMALINK

What is really sad is how these so called "religious" figures are so holier than thou, yet they remain some of the most racist people that I know - from personal experience. How can you preach love when you clearly cannot stand certain groups of people? Sounds like they should start practicing what they preach, maybe then someone will listen.

Posted by: Thomas on April 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM | PERMALINK

Brian Intangible:

Well, who are you going to believe, James Dobson or your lying eyes? LOL.

You should make a blog for people to gather at.

Posted by: AlbemuthTerminal on April 12, 2009 at 10:28 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe Dobson, Southern Baptist Seminary President Al Mohler and the rest of these far-right religious zealots have been praying to the wrong God.

Posted by: karen on April 12, 2009 at 11:05 PM | PERMALINK

Kudos to hotmojo for one of the most eloquent "essays" on the subject of "christian leadership" and, more specifically, James Dobson I have ever seen. Too bad Dobson will likely never see it, but tens of thousands of others will and not all mere members of "the choir". THEY are the ones that are winning the culture war.

hotmojo, SIR, please consider publishing your essay on other sites like Daily Kos and HuffPost where it will reach millions. The world needs your clarity of thought.

Posted by: Soulmentor on April 12, 2009 at 11:43 PM | PERMALINK

They all got rich.

Posted by: Gregory on April 13, 2009 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

Culture wars? Are you kidding me? Do you know that I saw a commercial for a show called, "The Cougar?" I thought it was a gag til I saw it again. Apparently, the producers of "The Bachelor" discovered that even when you're at the bottom you can still dig. IT IS OVER. The US has had a good run. I can't tell you how sad it makes me to realize we're a lot closer to its end than its beginning. With a little luck this global warming thing will make previously inhospitable regions more fitting for settlement because there will be an awful lot of people who need someplace to live. When? I know I won't see it. I pray my son won't. Perhaps his son - or grandson - will resettle and make use of his Dad's collection of Scout manuals...assuming they haven't been confiscated for burning. On the other hand, a $3T deficit and Weimar-like inflation has a way of reshaping the landscape in a way that will make culture wars look like two bickering 6-year olds at a picnic. Yeah, that could be a game-changer.

Posted by: stew on April 13, 2009 at 2:23 AM | PERMALINK

Culture War ? Baloney ! The only "war" being waged by mountebank Dobson is his long-term, and continuing "struggle" to extract as much money from the devotees captured in his "religious" compound in CO Springs, to feed his pathological need for power over his pathetic hoard of gullibles, and to further feed his infinite need for ego gratification. If his game is slipping, it may be that some of his slavish followers are noticing the late trend among other evangelical groups who are finally beginning to realize that they are being had - -
"in the name of Jeeesus! ".

Posted by: Hadashito on April 13, 2009 at 3:35 AM | PERMALINK

For all this talk about focusing on the family, if Mr. Dobson was sincere about the truth of the Word of God, he would obey it. In the same bible that he is attempting to proclaim, it states, (That you are to PRAY for those in authority, and if there is an authorority, it is because God allowed it to be so).
So Mr. Dobson, and many of the conservatives out there, that are of the same mindsets, must have missed that passage of scripture, 1 Tim. 2:1. This passages was asking Christians to pray for all in authority, and during those days, it was the Roman Emperors, who were in opposition to the Church, however, the Church's obligation was to pray for them. I do not think Mr. Dobson and the rest of his religious cohorts even consider President Obama, or maybe they do,or, perhaps they are praying for his failure, like
RUSH LIMBAUGH huh.

Perhaps Mr. Dobson, you and your followers should reconsider the message that Jesus preached, and then you would not look at your work as being defeated. Next time try it God's way, and you will succeed.

Posted by: FKG on April 13, 2009 at 7:36 AM | PERMALINK

As a born-again Christian evangelical who tends progressive politically, I'd be thrilled to watch Dobson and his ilk fade into the sunset. Their "moral crusade" has driven thousands - if not millions - of people away from the message of love and salvation Christ preached. Jesus did not, in the Great Commission, instruct his followers to "go ye into all the world, infiltrate the legislature, control your local school board, campaign from the pulpit and bully the unbelievers into submission." Jesus always approached sinners with the message of repentence, forgiveness and hope. The early Christians preached Christ to the pagan and Jewish people - they didn't waste precious time trying to force "Christian" behavior on unbelievers. Dobson & Co. became obsessed with forcing the world to look, think and "smell" more "Christian" - to adopt an outwardly sanitized exterior, where Christians felt "safe" and didn't have to be "offended!"
What bull! Christ never promised his followers a cushy existence. Christians have the obligation to do as Christ commanded, and stop trying to grab influence and power in His name.

Posted by: Pat on April 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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