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April 14, 2009

WITH AN EYE ON THE FUTURE.... Over at QandO, McQ wants to help me understand why the Tea Baggers are getting together tomorrow. Since I've been struggling with the point of the Tea Parties, I'm anxious to get some additional insights.

Much of the left, Steve Benen serving as a perfect example, are missing an essential point about the tea parties planned around the country. They aren't about the level of taxation now. Instead, those attending them understand that with the massive spending undertaken by the federal government and the massive amounts of currency pumped into the system by the Federal Reserve, taxes aren't going to remain anywhere near where they are now, no matter what politicians promise.

I see. So, at some point in the future (we don't know when), some politicians (we don't know who) might find it necessary to raise taxes. Whose taxes would be raised? It's too soon to say. How much would taxes go up? No one knows.

But the mere prospect of a possible future tax increase has led untold thousands of activists, an entire cable news network, corporate lobbyists, conservative bloggers, conservative talk-radio hosts, and Republican officials to organize a series of national events. With extraordinary foresight, they've organized thousands of rallies to register their outrage, not at existing tax rates, but at tax policies that haven't been proposed, but might exist at some undermined point.

Got it.

With this in mind, I can only conclude that the Tea Parties are the most forward-thinking political events in the history of the country.

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Likewise, I'm already starting a grassroots protest against the next Republican administration.

Posted by: Jay B. on April 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

But the mere prospect of a possible future tax increase has led untold thousands of activists, an entire cable news network, corporate lobbyists, conservative bloggers, conservative talk-radio hosts, and Republican officials to organize a series of national events. With extraordinary foresight, they've organized thousands of rallies to register their outrage, not at existing tax rates, but at tax policies that haven't been proposed, but might exist at some undermined point.

Yeah, that's why those same people opposed the War in Iraq. Remember? Of course you don't, because you are a historical revisionist.

Posted by: Warner Todd Husten on April 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

That is quite a bit of logic that they offer. Grab your teabags and join us in protesting a hypothetical issue.

Take a stand against what-if.

I would assume this was supposed to make them look less nutty; however it doesn't seem to have worked.

Posted by: ashton on April 14, 2009 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

Steve:

You are missing the most important point.

Spending money when you are a Democrat hurts the economy. Spending money when DICK cheney is in power doesn't matter at all.

Posted by: neil wilson on April 14, 2009 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

Look at the good side. McQ and the Teabag brigade seem to have finally rejected the ridiculous notion that lower taxes lead to higher revenues.

Posted by: Danp on April 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK
Yeah, that's why those same people opposed the War in Iraq. Remember? Of course you don't, because you are a historical revisionist.

Posted by: Warner Todd Husten

So Bush going on and on and on for months about how we're going to invade Iraq -- even staging tens of thousands of troops on the border beforehand -- is the same as Obama never saying a word about raising taxes for 95% of America?

You folks aren't even trying any more, are you?

Posted by: Mark D on April 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

I had this same discussion recently with my brother, a tea party attendant, and I also furrowed my brow at his explanation about future taxes. I guess this rationale could be applied to most anything that might, maybe, could possibly happen at any unknown point in the infinite future.

And yet it never occurred to any of these people to speak out about what was happening from 2001-2008 and that would greatly contribute, in short order, to the total economic collapse we have today. Is it unreasonable to question that the root of their outrage is not about economic principles, but maybe the fact that their side lost? Lost quite badly. And that he lost to a black guy???.........Nahhhh. That's impossible.

Either way, whatever happens, even in the year 2525, it will most certainly be Obama's fault!

Posted by: Mike on April 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

"So Bush going on and on and on for months about how we're going to invade Iraq -- even staging tens of thousands of troops on the border beforehand -- is the same as Obama never saying a word about raising taxes for 95% of America?"

No, they are quite different. One happened while the other didn't. Furthermore, never saying a word about something that hasn't happened sounds downright foolish. He has also failed to remark on unicorns grazing on the White House lawn if that is the best logic that you have to offer.

Posted by: ashton on April 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

I personally would also like to make sure that America's moon colonies, should they ever come into existence, will not be overtaxed.

Posted by: Stephen Stralka on April 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

Then why have parties now? It was clear before the 2004 election that the deficit wasn't going to go away on its own and that at some point, taxes would have to be raised. At least now, we have a President that is willing to talk about the deficit and what it will take to stop it. Dubya was counting on the tax fairy to wave her magic wand and make the deficit disappear.

Posted by: Hipporider on April 14, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

Tea Party slogan should be We created this mess but we damn well aren't going to be the ones to clean it up!

Posted by: e. nonee moose on April 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

Mark D -- I think my irony meter twitched a bit at WTH's post. Not sure.

With this in mind, I can only conclude that the Tea Parties are the most forward-thinking political events in the history of the country.

What about Left Behind?

Posted by: The Fabulous Mr. Toad on April 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

After careful, thorough analysis, my studies have reached the following conclusions:

- Reich-wingers have developed clarvoyent powers
- Reich-wing radio talk hosts can now read Obama's mind
- Reich-wing politicians are able to know what dumbocrats are going to do in the future

- These powers have come about as a result of the koolaid that they have imbibed
- The flavor of the koolaid is sour grape

Thirty years ago, we just did LSD & had a lot more fun.

Posted by: SadOldVet on April 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

When your worldview disregards reality at almost every turn, why shouldn't your protests? Why bother to work through the realities the present, when you can be a terribly abused victim of an imagined future?

The party of perpetual victimhood must not be feeling very victimized if they have to work up a rage over something that might never come to pass.

Posted by: JoeW on April 14, 2009 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK

[They] understand that with the massive spending undertaken by the federal government and the massive amounts of currency pumped into the system by the Federal Reserve...

And where were these Teabaggers when W was spending hundreds of billions of dollars on off-budget wars? Where'd they think that money was coming from? His ASS?

Posted by: Markozilla on April 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM | PERMALINK

The "essential point about the tea parties planned around the country" is that they are completely phony, the result of a corporate-sponsored propaganda campaign to manipulate the army of know-nothing Ditto-Heads who have been conditioned to believe and say and do whatever the corporate-sponsored, so-called "conservative" media orders them to believe and say and do.

Imagine what you could do if you had a zombie army that would believe whatever you said, and do whatever you told them, with blind, mindless, unthinking, unquestioning obedience. Tell them something is "conservative" and they'll believe it. Tell them something is "conservative" and they'll do it. Tell them something is "liberal" and they'll hate it. Immediately, fully, without question.

Imagine it: they would vote for whoever you told them to vote for. They would support whatever wars you told them to. They would oppose tax policies that increased your taxes even if those policies lowered their taxes. They would oppose government policies of any sort that would make their lives better, as long as you told them those policies were "liberal". They would march in the streets for whatever causes you told them to. They would write whatever letters to the editor you told them to, post whatever comments on blogs you told them to, call in to talk radio programs and say whatever you told them to.

Well, once upon a time, a handful of far-right-wing extremist reactionary billionaires imagined just that, and they liked the idea of having that kind of power.

So they bankrolled Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, and started up The Washington Times and ClearChannel and Fox News and so on, and spent years brainwashing weak-minded, ignorant, gullible, mean-spirited people to believe and do and say whatever the so-called "conservative" media told them to believe and say and do -- no matter how absurd, as long as it was branded "conservative".

And the result is a lot of people who are little more than robots programmed to respond in very predictable, mechanical ways when their "conservative" buttons are pushed.

And those are the people who will show up at these "tea parties" without really knowing why, except that they were told to show up by the "conservative" media, and they do whatever the "conservative" media tells them to do.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on April 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

I have clairvoyant powers too. I just obtained this advance video of tomorrow's events.

Posted by: Stephen Stralka on April 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Honestly, I don't think my mind could cope with such buffoonery if it weren't for all of the double entendre like Steve pointed out in the previous post.

Ridicule and derision are all these morons deserve.

Posted by: doubtful on April 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

For adult eyes only

NYT: Like Having Medicare? Then Taxes Must Rise

Americans have made it clear that they want a certain kind of government, one that can field a strong military and also maintain popular programs like Medicare. Yet we are not paying nearly enough taxes to maintain those programs. Even major changes to the health care system — the single most important step for closing the budget gap — will not close it entirely. Taxes must rise, too.
This is a point on which serious Democrats and serious Republicans agree, even if they do so with euphemism. “We are on an unsustainable path,” says Peter Orszag, Mr. Obama’s budget director. Judd Gregg, the ranking Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, has said, “Revenues are going to have to go up.” Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Dan Crippen, budget experts who advised the McCain campaign, have quietly acknowledged the same.

I love this bit too:

Fortunately, the coming tax increase does not have to be economically ruinous. Despite all the scary stories you’ve heard, the evidence that higher taxes necessarily cripple an economy is somewhere between thin and nonexistent.
When over the past 60 years did the American economy grow fastest? The 1950s and 1960s, when the top marginal tax rate was a now-unthinkable 90 percent. And when over the past generation did the economy grow fastest? The late 1990s, when President Bill Clinton briefly took federal taxes to 20 percent of the G.D.P.


Posted by: koreyel on April 14, 2009 at 3:57 PM | PERMALINK

This is yet another instance of the Republican party's embrace of all things hypothetical. I think this is what happens when you rely on think-tanks to develop talking points and policy issues: everything comes out as a hypothetical about what MIGHT happen in the future. Obama's spending MIGHT one day cause higher taxes! Expanding SCHIP MIGHT cause middle class people to get government help on healthcare! Saddam Hussein MIGHT one day produce WMD (although they seemed less concerned when North Korea actually did so). It's kind of ironic that the most anti-intellectual party this country has seen since the Know-Nothings hangs its policies on the most subtle of intellectual hooks.

Posted by: ReallyFedUp on April 14, 2009 at 3:58 PM | PERMALINK

"What do we not want?"

"Well, it's not necessarily 'we', but 'we' don't want an increase in taxes!!!"

"When do we not want it?"

"At some unspecified theoretical time in the future!!!!"

Yeah, not very catchy.

Posted by: K ashford on April 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

I appreciate what McQ is saying in the sense that reckless spending in excess of government revenues, if left unchecked, indeed poses a threat to the long-term health of the country. I don't think ANYBODY doubts that, and I think we should take those concerns as sincere. I can sympathize, as I voted for Perot in 1992 precisely because I thought this was an important issue.

The question is not whether we should eliminate the deficit - yes eliminate it - but where we will end up after we do it. Conservatives who want small government would rather we cut taxes and cut spending even further, so that the government spends money at a much lower ratio to GDP than at present. Liberals, they fear, in taking over banks and private industry, will become addicted to power and choose to balance the budget by raising taxes to the higher spending levels.

Of course, neither view is realistic. Although conservatives believe that Obama's current bailouts and takeovers represent a permanent socialist revolution, the reality is that these policies are largely ephemeral, and can be dispensed with as the economy improves. And the conserative dream of reducing the size of government to the point where it can be drowned in a bathtub isn't going to happen, either. Our social safety net programs are overwhelmingly popular, and aren't going anywhere.

Having said that, I AM concerned that Obama is not more focused on deficit reduction on the back end of the recession. Although I agree in principle with all of Obama's policy goals, I am disappointed that his recent budget still contemplates no less than $500 billion deficits as far as the eye can see. I do think that is an issue that needs much more attention. Unfortunately, the tea-bagger whackjobs on the right bring discredit to anyone who is legitimately concerned about our continued deficit spending.

Posted by: JohnC on April 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

Someone needs to tell these tea-baggers that the only way to successfully protest a future event is to convert to rabid paganism and spend five full years studying the clairvoyant arts. Please let me know when all these tea-baggers openly denounce Christianity as a "fake religion."

Thank you.

Posted by: S. Waybright on April 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

So these guys protested in the Reagan, Bush and Bush years as well?

Wait, they didn't?

Fucking hypocrites.

(For the record, I hated the Reagan, Bush and Bush budgets. I'm not fond of the Obama budgets either - the military spending is about $400B too high, the bailouts are about $1T too high and the stimulus is about $500B too low. But at least I'm consistent!)

Posted by: Tree on April 14, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

I think if those who want to support these protests are arguing that they are against, in principle, expanded government spending, then that's fine. My sense of things is that big government is not the boogeyman it used to be and that invoking that particular fear only works with a quickly vanishing demographic. People are against still against government waste of course and may have issues with the bailouts for example, but nothing about this tea bag nonsense coherently presents anything like a clear eyed alternative to our current spending approach.

They are irrelevant. Let the baby have its bottle.

Posted by: brent on April 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

What about Left Behind?

Good point. I would protest that God is just going to take all his dittoheads off to heaven and leave the mess they created in the real world for the rest of us to clean up.

Posted by: qwerty on April 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

We had less than a $1 trillion dollar debt when Carter left office in 1981. $990 billion to be precise. It took us over 200 years, 2 world wars, a civil war, umpteen recessions and depressions to run that up that tab. Now it’s over $11 trillion. That’s so ugly you have to say it twice, $11 trillion. It took twenty eight short years of trickle down, supply side economics, with massive tax cuts for the richest 1% to balloon that debt and what do we have to show for it? Nothing.

And coupled with that debt we "got the government off our backs" by deregulating and privatizing every aspect of government Republicans could ram through congress. Taking the regulatory cop off the beat on Wall St. crippled our credit markets and bankrupted our biggest banks. There is only one entity left big enough that can borrow money to jumpstart those credit markets, the lifeblood of the American economy, and start building the 21st century nation that's been stalled by the former oilmen in the White House. That would be the US government.

Yeah they're right, taxes are going to go up in years to come to pay down the huge debt we have will run up. But the difference is we'll a new more modern self sufficient country to show for it when Obama's done and most of thar debt will still have been pissed away between 81 and 09 by the clowns whose radical wrongheaded experiment in stupidomics failed.

Posted by: markg8 on April 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

Honestly, I don't think my mind could cope with such buffoonery if it weren't for all of the double entendre like Steve pointed out in the previous post.

It took mocking dicks to get you through shocking pricks?

Posted by: I am so not signing this on April 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

"at some undermined point"

Did you mean "undetermined"?

Posted by: ChuckV on April 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM | PERMALINK
I think my irony meter twitched a bit at WTH's post. Not sure.

Posted by: The Fabulous Mr. Toad

There's definitely a good chance my Sarcas-O-Meter needs some recalibration. If so, my apologies to WTH.

I guess I've read so many f-ing wingnuts infesting liberal blogs these past few weeks that I've got a bit of a hair trigger.

Whether it's them whining about higher taxes when they got a tax cut ... their silence at Bush going from $500 billion surplus to a $500 billion deficit ... their complaints about government spending that doesn't involve the DoD ... or them saying nothing as Bush Co. pissed all over the 4th Amendment and the Geneva Conventions ... I'm just really, really, REALLY getting sick and tired of their crap.

They had their time.
They enacted their agenda.
That agenda failed.
So they lost two elections.

They now need to stop acting like petulant little brats in need of naps and either help fix the mess they created, or STFU and let someone else do it.

Posted by: Mark D on April 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK

I noticed something today that I thought was pretty interesting. I looked on savetherich.com to find out if there will be a tea party in Las Vegas (where I live). There is, and the strange thing is that the contact email address for the Vegas tea party is edirector@clarkgop.org. Clarkgop.org is the official website of the Clark County Republican Party. Is the Clark County Republican Party the official organizer of this supposed "grassroots" uprising?

Posted by: shawn on April 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM | PERMALINK

SecularAnimist,

I'm going to print your blog and frame it.

Propaganda, done properly, is so powerful. If you are the type of 'know-nothing' that believes in labels and doesn't question anything, you are a prime candidate for this. I'm tired of stupidity and propaganda tactics that to a moron makes sense, but to logical, rational people (who think about what they are being told) are absolutely unconscionable. I'm not even sure that it's that simple but it amazes me that this hypocrisy, nonsense, etc. even works on the scale that it does.

Having a different opinion (substantiated by facts and a logical, cogent argument) is one thing. Proposing/stating some of the unfounded, ideological nonsense that we see every day from the some of these people is another thing.

When have you ever heard a progressive idea prefaced with a progressive/liberal/Democrat label so you have to unquestionly, accept someone's comment?

Posted by: QuestionEverything on April 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

And of course, any future need to raise taxes would be completely unrelated to the orgy of tax cuts that started our new American century and which, we were breathlessly promised, would produce an abundance of magical prosperity ponies for every household and make our economy teh awesome forevah. And, needless to say, any future need to raise taxes would be completely unrelated to our 100-year occupation of Iraq (or Iran, if it is determined we need to liberate them, too).

Posted by: Bulworth on April 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

So, at some point in the future (we don't know when), some politicians (we don't know who) might find it necessary to raise taxes. Whose taxes would be raised? It's too soon to say. How much would taxes go up? No one knows. -- Steve Benen

That's the *whole point* of those Tea Parties, don't you see? They'll find all those details tomorrow, by reading tea leaves...

Posted by: exlibra on April 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM | PERMALINK

They didn't say a word when the deficit was being run up to the max under Bush and deregulation of the banking industry ran amuck, but as soon as we increase spending to try to stimulate the economy and keep us from sliding into a great depression...well, then they are all up in arms. It coincides perfectly with republicans being out of power and isn't it a coincidence it was initiated by a millionaire wall streeter (Santelli) and backed and promoted by right wing think tanks, republicans and their congressmen and their millionaire backers. Santellis rant was staged and paid for by Koch family...billionaires. Bail out wall street bankers but not home owners.

Want a tea bag with that beer and right wing hypocrisy. The next generation was already doomed to pay higher taxes from Bush and cronies, Obama is trying to make sure they have jobs so they can even have food or money to pay taxes.

When all the millionaires are behind it it can't be for the good of the people. It's not government we should be protesting but oligarchs and their millionaire spokesmen like Beck, Hannity, Rush, Santelli, Fox etc. Such blatant hypocrisy and ignorance and misguided motivations to use the symbolism of an act performed to rebel against a corporation who was getting a tax break from the king so they could sell tea and put all the American tea sellers out of business. (The Boston Tea Party). Just another attempt to smear dems and Obama.

Posted by: bjobotts on April 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM | PERMALINK

"...is the same as Obama never saying a word about raising taxes for 95% of America?

You folks aren't even trying any more, are you?
Posted by: Mark D on April 14, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry chump but that is a total lie. Taxes decrease for 95% of Americans. Increase by 3% only for those making $250k...for every dollar over but not the first $250k. Talk about not trying. Roll back the Reagan tax cuts and the government would have enough money to function. Aren't you tired of sucking up the propaganda of the oligarchs...the wealthiest Americans. When will you people ever learn...these greedy bastards will say or do anything to enrich themselves. Just pathetic.

Posted by: bjobotts on April 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK

Alright, everyone back up and let's start from the beginning, shall we?

Obviously you remember the Rick Santelli-CNBC rant right? Well that's what started the whole thing. Now you may have thought it was silly, but sincere people decided to take Rick up on his call for Tea Parties across the country. These were people in the online community connected with the Ron Paul movement (and if you don't beleive me check out this link: http://wonkette.com/407786/paultards-started-this-tea-party-business-so-shut-up-gop.) So the idea for having such parties/rallies spread across the country and they were organized. So this all had a spontaneous start by avreage online folks. No different than what you'd get from MoveOn.org. There was nothing corporate or Washington about it.

Well pretty soon the powers that be in Conservative Inc. noticed what was going on and decided to piggyback themselves onto these rallies mainly to celebrate themselves (like Sean Hannity for example) or use them as bash-Obama rallies (like the GOP) or probably get names to put on fundraising lists (ala the corporate lobby types). And when they got involved so did Fox to help gin up the turnout and raise the stakes.

So what started out organically was taken over by Conservative Inc. I know many Paul people are pissed about this BECAUSE they have to either share the stage with people who two years ago were openly mocking them on talk shows and who were in many ways responsible for the mess we are currently in (to see some of this go to www.ronpaulforums.com) or are being pushed aside altogether for the neocon agenda.

I think part of the reason for this is because such rallies have lacked that crucial focus that would have kept Conservative Inc., away like abolishing the Federal Reserve for example. For these rallies to be a success, they can't just be spasmodic temper tantrum or a bash-Obama fest. They have be aimed right heart of the elites in Cosmoland who have propped up and bailed out failed corporations with their tax money in order to keep a rotten system afloat with themselves in charge. That's what people are really mad about, that on their backs they have to support such rotten failures in order to keep them rich and in power.

It has to be a populist message, not support your local syndicated radio talkshow host and his lear jet and Palm Beach mansion or support your local GOP Congressman. It has to be a message a Jackson or a Bryan or a Wallace or a Perot could easily and successfully make. And if Conservative Inc. doesn't want hear it, screw them! They're pathetic bankrupts who couldn't do something like this on their own and they have the means to do so.

To you Paulites, don't let the bastards steal your rally!

Posted by: Sean Scallon on April 14, 2009 at 5:43 PM | PERMALINK

All these people so worried about a future tax increase to make up for curretn deficits . . .

I assume they voted for Mondale over Reagan, Dukakis over Bush I, and Clinton over Bush I and Dole, right?

Posted by: rea on April 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM | PERMALINK

Lacking the basic dignity to be embarrassed by the intellectual train wreck that the teabaggery represents, Paulbots announce that they're mad that they're not getting enough credit for this.

You can't make this shit up. Which kind of tea goes best with Orville Redenbacher Smart Pop?

Posted by: shortstop on April 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM | PERMALINK

I'm trying to think of a fun counter-protest tomorrow. Tea and cupcakes?

Posted by: Mnemosyne on April 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

Tea and cupcakes?

I advise against solid food in a situation in which participants will repeatedly emit barks of laughter. The Heimlich maneuver isn't as easy as it looks in the line drawings.

Posted by: shortstop on April 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

"It has to be a populist message"

So gee, let's see: started by a millionaire media prima-donna on the CME floor who was complaining about keeping people from getting kicked out from their homes. Yeah, that's populist.

Done against a program to keep our economy from falling in a worse recession thus throwing yet more people out of work. Yeah, that's populist.

Against future investments that will help ordinary folk. Yeah, that's populist.

Orchestrated by the nation's preeminent right-wing GOP propaganda network. Yeah, that's populist.

You get the point. Whatever you think of 'populist' (and my how popular the word has become), promoting the right-wing agenda is not 'populist'.

P.S. History lesson: populists -- the original ones -- believed in "Postal Banks" and a huge role for Government in managing the economy. A populist wouldn't be caught dead at some libertarian event (except of course it's a rightwing GOP event).

And final question: why can't people admit it for what it is? Why all the shame at being GOP?

Posted by: leo on April 14, 2009 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK

the elites in Cosmoland

Oh, oh, professor, I know, I know! He means "rootless cosmopolitans," doesn't he? And that means ...?

Posted by: M. Bouffant on April 14, 2009 at 6:33 PM | PERMALINK

But the mere prospect of a possible future tax increase has led untold thousands of activists, an entire cable news network, corporate lobbyists, conservative bloggers, conservative talk-radio hosts, and Republican officials to organize a series of national events.

Wouldn't it be simpler to say that you, like the Democratic majority, are opposed to raising taxes? That you are all committed to making the Bush tax cuts permanent? Obama says that he only wants tax increases on the upper 1% of wage earners, but on this blog people have frequently praised the idea of raising the tax rates to the level they were under Clinton. If all Democrats vowed to make the Bush tax cuts permantent, and then did so, the tea parties would end.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on April 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM | PERMALINK

Steve... there is already another update to your response.... They seem to like you or hate you... either way the attention is great (In my opinion)

the Tea Parties are the most forward-thinking political events in the history of the country

That's exactly why they (republicans and pundits, etc) envisioned this economic collapse during the Bush years. Because of their forward-thinking abilities; those teabaggers were able to stave off the worst economic calamity in the history of the US...

Oh... they didn't? Never mind.

Posted by: bruno on April 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM | PERMALINK


I'd support a bill raising taxes only on people who attend Tea Parties.

Posted by: Bat of Moon on April 14, 2009 at 8:35 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps the Tea Baggers in lieu of possible future increases in taxes would just prefer now to just let things run their natural course without government intervention. In the meantime they can look forward to join others of like mind to sell apples on the street corners, sleep under bridges, and have Republican charities feed them until the collapsed Laissez Fair capitalist economy rights itself. I suppose in their minds it's way better than having facist/socialist/commie/surrender monkey liberal Obamites take away their liberty and their Christian God and guns. (Just trying to be open-mindered here.)

Posted by: sparrow on April 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM | PERMALINK

"If all Democrats vowed to make the Bush tax cuts permantent [sic], and then did so, the tea parties would end."

Why on earth would they make such a stupid "vow" when making such a vow would be incredibly damaging to the economic health of our country?

And why on earth would they make such a stupid "vow" in response to a few morons who don't even know what the hell they are protesting about and whose proposals simply make no sense?

Posted by: PaulB on April 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM | PERMALINK

Why do the tea-baggers hate the troops??

In the future, it is clear we will need more weapons to defend our country from someone, be they terrists, Mekskins, or space aliens, and all the great weapons we have now will be old and worn out. But weapons capable of fighting space aliens are mighty expensive, and we'll need to raise taxes to pay for them. Otherwise, our troops will have to face ray-blasters with pea shooters.

But if the teabaggers stop future tax increases...

OH NO!!!!! Welcome our future Alien Overlords.

So I repeat, why do the tea-baggers hate our troops???

Posted by: biggerbox on April 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM | PERMALINK

PaulB: Why on earth would they make such a stupid "vow" when making such a vow would be incredibly damaging to the economic health of our country?

Steve did not say that the Tea Parties are wrong because they oppose worthwhile policies, he said they are ridiculous because no one intends to enact the policies that the Tea Parties oppose.

Should your support for increased tax rates prevail, it will show that Steve was wrong.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on April 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM | PERMALINK

This is yet another instance of the Republican party's embrace of all things hypothetical. I think this is what happens when you rely on think-tanks to develop talking points and policy issues: everything comes out as a hypothetical about what MIGHT happen in the future.

The Republican treatment of every issue is about rushing to deal with unknowns and hypotheticals. Except climate change. That's the only case where the only prudent course is to move as slooooooowwwwwly as possible...

Posted by: FlipYrWhig on April 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM | PERMALINK
Sorry chump but that is a total lie.

Um ... dude. Read that sentence I wrote again. Here, I'll make it easy:

... is the same as Obama never saying a word about raising taxes for 95% of America?

That means he's never proposed raising taxes, just decreasing them. Thus, the complaints about something about Obama has never said are as stupid as sending tea bags to Congress to protest ... whatever the hell it is these teabag nuts are protesting.

Granted, it was poorly worded on my part. My fault.

But you should also remember that reading is fun and mental ... or maybe mix in some decaf.

:-D

Posted by: Mark D on April 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM | PERMALINK

"Against future investments that will help ordinary folk."

Yes my future investment in AIG really helps "oridary folks". I guess it helps "ordnary folks" watch AIG executives use their own money to pay for their hunting retreats and their spas. Yes ordinary folks do benefit when subsidize AIG executives lifestyles.

Now if that was the focus of this tea parties, even the Obama worshippers would have hard time defending such "investments" with a straight face. We'll have to wait and see.

Posted by: Sean Scallon on April 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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