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May 11, 2009

CHENEY HEARTS RUSH.... The good news for Democrats is that Dick Cheney, despite assurances about exiting the stage, keeps talking. The better news for Democrats is the message the former vice president chooses to emphasize.

One of the main goals of the DNC this year, for example, has been to position Rush Limbaugh as a leader, if not the leader, of the Republican Party. Yesterday, Cheney helped move this argument forward.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said on Sunday that he preferred Rush Limbaugh's brand of conservatism to former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell's, saying Mr. Powell had abandoned the Republican Party when he endorsed Barack Obama for president last year.

"Well, if I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh, I think," Mr. Cheney said in an interview on "Face the Nation" on CBS. "I think my take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican."

Mr. Cheney said he "assumed" Mr. Powell's support of Mr. Obama over Senator John McCain was "an indication of his loyalty and his interest."

This is, of course, music to the DNC's ears. Putting aside the question of whether Powell's image deserves rehabilitation -- there's ample reason to believe his Bush administration service tarnished his reputation beyond repair -- the former Secretary of State remains a respected public figure. For most of the country, I suspect, admiration for Powell dwarfs toleration for Limbaugh.

Which is why Cheney's comments yesterday were so helpful for the GOP's detractors. As the Republican Party shrinks, and more Americans would prefer to see more influence from moderates like Powell and less influence from right-wing radio hosts, a wildly unpopular former vice president publicly embraced the opposite line. Indeed, he effectively dismissed the very idea of Powell even being a Republican anymore, throwing his support to the loudmouth who wants to see the president and his policies fail.

Dick Cheney, the DNC's manna from heaven.

In the same interview, Cheney effectively argued that a failure to torture will kill Americans; said he may be willing to testify under oath about the administration's torture policies; conceded that Bush personally "signed off on" the torture program; and added that he has "no regrets" over his alleged wrongdoing.

If you missed yesterday's interview, you can a) watch it online; or b) wait for Cheney's next national television appearance, which if recent history is any guide, should be any day now.

Steve Benen 8:00 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (29)
 
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Cheney's whole purpose in doing these interviews is to defend himself against prosecution - kind of like the Blago tour. Or the Drew Peterson one. Cheney is not going to get support from Powell or people who think like him. He needs to create a we vs they mentality - you're with us or you're with the terrorists. He doesn't particularly care about the future of the Republican party per se. But the dividing issue has to be torture and flimsy war justification.

Posted by: Danp on May 11, 2009 at 8:03 AM | PERMALINK

Why is every American made product unreliable except Dick Cheney's heart? When does then service warranty on that clunker expire?

Posted by: Daro on May 11, 2009 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

"admiration for Powell dwarves toleration for Limbaugh."

"Dwarves" may be the plural of the noun "dwarf", but I believe the verb form you want here is "dwarfs," Steve.

Posted by: in vino veritas on May 11, 2009 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

(Cheney) said he'd be willing to testify under oath about the administration's torture policies . . . .

Suuuuure he will.

During the Bush/Cheney regime, the best gauge of the truth was to note what Cheney said (whenever he slithered out of his "undisclosed location"), because the truth would be the exact opposite.

Just in case he does testify (Yeah, right!), the one question I would like answered is:

Mr. Vice President, when you and the five top security advisors where deciding which methods of "enhanced interrogation" would be used on particular prisoners, were you stroking yourself?


Posted by: SteveT on May 11, 2009 at 8:06 AM | PERMALINK

I find Cheney so odious and un-American that I wish he'd go away for good, despite the backhanded benefits deriving from his public pronouncements.
As for regrets, I don't think he knows what they feel like. If he were to be tried and jailed for his many misdeeds, he would just feel angry and vengeful. Regret is for losers, and Cheney certainly will always consider himself a winner, even from inside San Quentin.
If only...

Posted by: richard.greenslade on May 11, 2009 at 8:08 AM | PERMALINK

> The better news for Democrats is the message the former vice president chooses to emphasize.

Who knew that Ari Emanuel was doing bookings for Face the Nation?

Posted by: Andy on May 11, 2009 at 8:12 AM | PERMALINK

In the interview, Cheney also threw his support to the Obama administration for its policy of continued air strikes in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Vicki Linton on May 11, 2009 at 8:17 AM | PERMALINK

As the circle of rational people gets smaller and smaller...so goes the Republican party. Seriously? doubling down on Rush. Cheney is more unbalanced than I thought. It is like the totalitarian state where adverse thoughts are treason. Rather than retrospect to ask why an educated loyal Republican (along with many other Republicans) voted for Obama they instead circle the wagons around Boss Limbaugh . Seriously Dick ,supporting a drug addled windbag draft dodger over a respected dedicated military man..oops there goes the remaining military votes for the Republicans..keep up the good work. I'm sure the remaining base agrees with you 100%.

Posted by: John R on May 11, 2009 at 8:23 AM | PERMALINK

I haven't had my coffee yet. After reading the headline, my first thought was 'Hey. I like Rush, too. 2110 will always hold a special place in my heart.' And then it dawned on me that that was not the Rush being referred to.

Posted by: VT Idealist on May 11, 2009 at 8:24 AM | PERMALINK

2112. No coffee = inability to type.

Posted by: VT Idealist on May 11, 2009 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

I just got off the phone with Hell a bit ago; they've done countless, exhaustive studies and have scientifically determined that they cannot get the boiling lake of fire hot enough for Cheney's immortal soul without incinerating the entire planet---and have asked if NASA might be considering any launches to the surface of the sun.

They have offered to help pay for the trip. Something about Satan being afraid that Cheney's going to take his job....

Posted by: S. Waybright on May 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM | PERMALINK

Shouldn't the title of this post be: "CHENEY PACEMAKERS RUSH"?

Posted by: garnash on May 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney needs to get a motorized wheelchair, and use it for every photo op he can so his projection of power has a strong context we Americans can better appreciate! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on May 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK

"I think my take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican." --Dickless Cheney
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Really?! I didn't know that you, DICK, were still a human being... and not as asshole.

Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on May 11, 2009 at 8:48 AM | PERMALINK

** Caution: SERIOUSLY GEEKY **

Kevo said:
Cheney needs to get a motorized wheelchair, and use it for every photo op

When I see video of Cheney in his wheelchair, I always get a mental picture of Davros, a "Dr. Who" villian from the Tom Baker era. Davros was a wrinkled old guy confined to a powered wheelchair. He created the Daleks, a race of robots that seeks to conquer the Universe, and he likes to shout in a nasal, mechanical voice, "You will be EXTERMINATED!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WisherDavros.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daleks

Posted by: SteveT on May 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM | PERMALINK

One of the recurring questions we always asked ourselves when I worked for a state Republican Party was: "Is the GOP a church or a coalition?" Were we, in other words, a party with the wisdom and disciplin to bring together a coalition (which by definition means a collection of different-minded groups willing to put those differences aside for a larger good) that could lead the nation? Or, were we a church in which only the penitent were welcome -- people who thought the appeal of the Republican Party lay in our clarity and consistency of message and principle but who also threatened excommunication for heretics who might disagree with those principles. The latter was, in our view, the recipe for a party satisfied with being a regional or sectarian party where conformity is possible. And when choosing leadership for the country, most people who are not party regulars look to see how a party treats its own members as a guide for how they might treat the nation if given power. And the slogan: "Love it or Leave It" is one that leaves most Americans cold. That seems to be the problem with the national GOP today.

Posted by: Ted Frier on May 11, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

Dick Cheney, despite assurances about exiting the stage, keeps talking.

Putting the Dick in Dick Cheney, is exhaustive work.

Posted by: oh well on May 11, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

god damn dick cheney's shit-filled soul to hell.

Posted by: neill on May 11, 2009 at 9:20 AM | PERMALINK

I don't know that we have ever witnessed the likes of Cheney in American public life. Those of us who are old enough to remember him as Bush I's SecDef. saw a bright, thoughtful and pragmatic guy. His congressional record was pretty conservative, but he seemed to be a good SecDef. Now, look what he has become. The Richard Nixon comparison does not come close. Dick was always a crook. Any other historical parallels. I can't think of any?

Posted by: Scott F. on May 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

rather than "under oath

Posted by: mellowjohn on May 11, 2009 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

When will the oppression cease and the laws will allow Cheney and Limbaugh to marry?

Posted by: Capt Kirk on May 11, 2009 at 9:36 AM | PERMALINK

A repulsive, paranoid delusional human being, Cheney attempted to be a sympathetic figure. Instead, the arrogant man of darkness continued to capitalize on fear to excuse his own sins. Cheney's "proof" that enhanced interrogations gained valuable, life-saving information, is slow to be released. His use of the SERE excuse and his claim that they "only" waterboarded 3 people, sickened me. (He conveniently failed to mention that the 3 "terrorists" were waterboarded 283 times.)

Also, a fascinating article appeared in yesterday's Chicago Tribune's magazine section, "The Guantanamo Labyrinth: Gorman vs. Goliath." Chicago lawyer Candace Gorman put aside her practice to fight for the legal rights of two Gitmo detainees. Her foe? The U.S.A.

Posted by: Carol A on May 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Keep talking Cheney. I love/HATE you!

Posted by: Patrick on May 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

When will the oppression cease and the laws will allow Cheney and Limbaugh to marry?

Unfortunately, Rush would find Cheney far too old and not nearly Dominican enough.

Posted by: doubtful on May 11, 2009 at 10:54 AM | PERMALINK

As some have noted, it's wrong anyway to accuse Democrats of "trying to make torture illegal" (under the presumption T is a good thing) because it was already illegal.

Posted by: Neil B ☺ on May 11, 2009 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

When will the oppression cease and the laws will allow Cheney and Limbaugh to marry?

Two tops. No can do.

Posted by: shortstop on May 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM | PERMALINK

Can someone start a fund to pay Cheney's expenses to make sure he goes and campaigns for every GOP candidate for a Senate seat in 2010? That would be a big help at ensuring a filibuster-proof Senate.

Posted by: SteveH on May 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

Forthose who think Dick Cheney "changed" from the capable competent SecDef of Bush I, I suggest you go look back at his career from the get-go. Serious patriot who takes five draft deferments, the last one being one of the first given out for being a father, and his daughter is born 8 months later; up and comer in the Nixon Administration; chief of staff to Gerald Ford as he tries to do all he can to limit damage to the imperial presidency; farfarfar right congressman. SecDef; criminal CEO of a corrupt organization; VP in a criminal administration.

See a line there? Connect any dots? He was always a scumball.

When I look at the number of scumballs who came out and made things worse in the Reagan, Bush I and Bush II administrations, I really regret my decisions to "give the Democrats a lesson" and not vote for Hubert Humphrey in 1968.

Posted by: TCinLA on May 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM | PERMALINK

I saw the interview and I think Cheney's tone of voice was heavy with gravitas. Two imporant items: He kept mentioning the memos as proof that torture works but as it turns out they may not exist. Second, his answer as to whether Prez Bush knew about torture was rather abstract and seemed to imply Bush did not, but changed his answer to something more definite when Bob pressed him on it.

So, the argument goes that torture does work and Cheney can prove it, but the Obama Admin will not release the proof. If they don't then they are covering up and endangering the "homeland." This satifies his Conservative Christian Corporate Party base who tend to be rather pro torture anyways.

Also, Cheney and before him Rice have tied Bush in with torture in an extricable fashion. Where as, before Bush had said "we do not torture" (which we knew was a lie) but now it's rather explicit they have said he knew about it and approved of it in advance. If Bush denies it, he looks like an idiot, if he agrees he looks like a sadist.

(But you all knew this already)

Finally, Cheney's blessing of RUSH as the "titular" head of the Conservative Christian Corporate Party, nee Republican Party, will be a nice test of the regular media to see if they will give air time, ergo validity, to the more radical messages without comment.

Posted by: Kurt on May 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM | PERMALINK




 

 
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