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May 22, 2009

A REMINDER OF THE OBVIOUS.... Somehow, the nation has managed to do pretty well despite all of these terrorists living in our "neighborhoods," coming to our "communities," and "living among us."

[T]he apocalyptic rhetoric rarely addresses this: Thirty-three international terrorists, many with ties to al-Qaeda, reside in a single federal prison in Florence, Colo., with little public notice.

Detained in the supermax facility in Colorado are Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993; Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; Ahmed Ressam, of the Dec. 31, 1999, Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate President George W. Bush; and Wadih el-Hage, convicted of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.

Inmates in Florence and those at the maximum-security disciplinary barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., rarely see other prisoners. At Leavenworth, the toughest prisoners are allowed outside their cells only one hour a day when they are moved with their legs shackled and accompanied by three guards.

Terrorists in the community of Leavenworth, Kansas? But that's the heartland! Won't someone think of the children? (Sen. Pat Roberts on Kansas this week insisted that Army officers would no longer want to train at Ft Leavenworth if there are terrorists held there. Sounds like Roberts doesn't know what he's talking about.)

Philip Zelikow, a top official in the Bush administration's State Department, explained to the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, "We have a vast amount of experience in how to judge the continued incarceration of highly dangerous prisoners, since we do this with thousands of prisoners every month, all over the United States, including some really quite dangerous people."

It's a shame articles like these are even necessary, since reality seems so obvious. And yet, a few too many lawmakers, who presumably know better, are just hysterical.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) put his foot down. "We're not going to bring al-Qaeda to Big Sky Country -- no way, not on my watch," he told Time magazine this month.

What an embarrassment.

Steve Benen 1:45 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (28)
 
Comments

The Biggest Idiot Prize still has to go to Kit Bond, Republican Senator from Missouri, who claimed that the masterminds of the 9/11 attack would be transferred to a "halfway house" in Missouri.

Posted by: Lifelong Dem on May 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

The media allows this to play on and on--and have incessantly recounted the "danger." I wonder whose ends this serves? Not America. Sad.

Posted by: Sparko on May 22, 2009 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

The quoted article is misleading. Ft. Leavenworth is a military prison--there are no terrorists at Ft. Leavenworth.

Posted by: Halfdan on May 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Obviously no one escapes these places, but the other main criticism - that the inmates would recruit terrorists - is also crap. At the Florence facility, prisoners are in solitary confinement 23 hours per day. I'm guessing that in that one hour, they aren't allowed to hold secret inmate meetings to plot terrorism.

Posted by: Linus on May 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

Could that really have poll-tested as the "Strong on National Security argument"?

Posted by: red on May 22, 2009 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

I live in Kansas, an hour south of Leavenworth. Of course, Pat Roberts doesn't know what he's talking about -- no more than any senile old man would know. Roberts wouldn't mind one bit if the Obama Administration threw in $1M for every detainee it put in Leavenworth.

There are worse guys at Leavenworth -- that's what is was built for decades ago. These guys wouldnt be any different.

What Leavenworth needs is a better HS football team.

Posted by: dcrolg on May 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

With respect to lifelong dem, Kit Bond doesn't hold a candle to Steve King of Iowa, who not only talked of terrorists in halfway houses on American soil, he then claimed said terrorists would leave the halfway houses, walk into US Embassies, and demand asylum.

I have written to secretary of state clinton to ask that our Embassies here in the US not do that.

Posted by: unca paul on May 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

Halfdan - Roberts is saying that the U.S. Army wouldn't want to train there IF terrorist were detained at Ft. Leavenworth. Maybe they aren't there now, but I guess the could be at some point in the future.

What amazes me is that he's saying the the U.S. ARMY is afraid of having terrorists detained nearby in a maximum security facility.

If I were in the Army, I'de be pretty pissed off at that insinuation.

Posted by: bdop4 on May 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM | PERMALINK

America used to be the 'land of the free and the home of the brave'.

With warrantless wiretapping, the (attempted) destruction of habeas corpus, government secrecy, and indefinite detentions, Amerika is no longer the home of the free.

Our Congress-Critters of both worthless parties provide the proof that Amerika is no longer the home of the brave.

Do not forget the operational meme of the Bush administration! "We have nothing to fear but the loss of fear itself!"

Posted by: AngryOldVet on May 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Fear gives power.
Hatred gives power.

Hitler knew it.
Mussolini knew it.

The GOP knows it too.

Posted by: Buford on May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM | PERMALINK

I've written both of my Oregon (D) senators for an explanation of their Guantanamo vote. I"m disgusted with both of them. . . Wish I lived in Rhode Island!

Posted by: emmie on May 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Steve King of Iowa, who not only talked of terrorists in halfway houses on American soil, he then claimed said terrorists would leave the halfway houses, walk into US Embassies, and demand asylum.

Well, that just shows how Steve King is slipping. I can't believe he forgot that the terrorists will have their way with white Christian women in between the halfway houses and embassies.

I did love, though, that he thought that there are U.S. embassies in the U.S. That might be my favorite Steve King line ever.

Posted by: shortstop on May 22, 2009 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

If Max Baucus is that adamant about being unreasonable "on [his] watch," perhaps it's time to consider a new watchman.

More and better.

Posted by: doubtful on May 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney is holding onto the hope that we will be attacked again. That way the GOP can make a comeback. Sort of like wanting some sort of catastrophe to happen in 2001 in order to go into Iraq. They don't want Gitmo closed because they hold onto the hope that they will be back on top someday soon, esp if we are attacked, and they want to keep Gitmo open to commence the "program". So the reason about all of the fear mongering by those GOPs in Congress, is because of the real hope that they will be back, and they don't want to have to reopen Gitmo.

Posted by: Meah Bottoms on May 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

it is truly laughable, the morons who run the US gov.

AND dont anybody mention the possibility that many of the Gitmo prisoners have nothing to do with al-Qaeda or terrorism.

karma: they invent a myth of run-fer-yer-life terrists... and then swallow the myth themselves. what dumbfucks...

Posted by: neill on May 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, well these days if JFK had to write a new book that covered the Congress, the title would have to be "Profiles in Cowardice".

Posted by: Bill H. on May 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM | PERMALINK

Retarded hyperbole...and these are people who supposedly hold advanced educational degrees? They are drinking some serious Jonestown kool aid.

Posted by: johnnymags on May 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

What a bunch of chicken s--t pantywaists!

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell on May 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

Most of these guys at Guantanamo have nowhere near the terrorist bona fides or domestic support of the likes of Rudolph, Terry Nichols, or Edgar Ray Killen. Charge the detainees or release them. If the government can't make a case then the Bush administration should never have picked them up.

Posted by: rk on May 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

The only thing that reading politicians' responses to detaining these people on US soil accomplishes is to make me more and more pessimistic about the future of the United States. If this is the best we have to work with as a political class, we're done.

Posted by: rbe1 on May 22, 2009 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised that Max Baucus has time for this stuff.

Isn't he pretty busy protecting the insurance corporations' profits from the terror of single-payer medical insurance?

Posted by: SecularAnimist on May 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK

There's no excuse for backstabbing wanks like Max Baucus' shenanigans.

Posted by: Neil B ♪ on May 22, 2009 at 4:06 PM | PERMALINK

Even that compromised go along petty little man Harry Reid went into his appeasement phase with "We will never allow terrorists on US soil".

Are senators really this stupid or just willfully ignorant. They say the right things to attract enough money to get elected...and to stay elected...but do they really know anything about what they are doing. Condemning our entire prison system's ability to hold any prisoner securely IS embarrassing.

Or is it that they are really concerned about these people being tried publicly and all the corruption and hypocrisy of the Bush administration will come out.

Posted by: bjobotts on May 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

What Meah Bottoms said. Thats it in a nutshell they want bad to happen to us. Perspective perspective
31,110 people were killed in car accidents between January and October of 2008 Terrist' cars ban them and lock them up

Posted by: John R on May 22, 2009 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

I have written to secretary of state clinton to ask that our Embassies here in the US not do that.
Posted by: unca paul on May 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM

ROFLMAO

Posted by: Schtick on May 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Suppose the FBI had figured out before 9/11 what the hijackers were up to. Suppose they'd intercepted Mohammed Atta and his gang before they could get on those planes. And then hauled them into court with proof positive of what they'd had planned.

Wouldn't they all, at this moment, be locked up in US prisons on US soil? So what's the big deal?

Posted by: Steve T. on May 22, 2009 at 5:30 PM | PERMALINK

If this is "reform" I'm the queen of Sheba

Posted by: getaclue on May 22, 2009 at 8:26 PM | PERMALINK

Isn't a Supermax worse than Gitmo?

Posted by: Luther on May 23, 2009 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK




 

 
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