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May 25, 2009

ANOTHER ONE?.... Let's see, Liz Cheney practically lives on cable news. She also lies routinely, accuses the president of helping terrorists, and is so mindless in her attacks on the nation's elected leadership, she's something of a national embarrassment.

And for Republican recruiters, apparently she's perfect.

The hottest Republican property out there isn't former Vice President Dick Cheney but his daughter Liz, who has taken to the airwaves to defend her dad and the whole Bush administration on national security and Guantánamo Bay issues. Liz Cheney, who followed the former veep's hard-hitting speech criticizing President Obama's policies with a CNN appearance, is becoming so popular in conservative circles that some want her to run for office. "She's awesome. Everyone wants her to run," said a close friend.

But others say that she is unlikely to run for office now because she is raising five young children, helping to write her father's book, and working on other major conservative projects. "She's a chip off the block!" said a longtime friend.

A forceful defender of the administration and her dad, Liz Cheney has been appearing on TV with greater regularity. She brings to the screen a combination of her dad's steely focus and her mom's softer touch. "It's a two-fer. She comes off a bit better than he does sometimes," a conservative consultant said.

The U.S. News report envisions a plan in which she sets up shop at a right-wing think, where she could "build a base of support." From there, the next time there's a Republican president, the younger Cheney "could take the policy under secretary's position in a Republican administration when her children are older."

I can't help but find all of this rather ridiculous. For one thing, Liz Cheney's penchant for dishonesty rivals that of her father's. For another, the "Cheney" name is not exactly a strong political "brand" right now.

"Everyone wants her to run"? Who are these people?

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Palin supporters, most likely.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on May 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

Five young children. How sad.

Posted by: Danp on May 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM | PERMALINK

jeb and liz ... 2012....!!!

oh yeah ... lol

Posted by: linda on May 25, 2009 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

What's Dead-Eye's approval rating in Wyoming? I'm guessing he's a bit more popular there than in the country at large.

The real story here, IMHO, is the media. How do CNN and ABC justify treating her as if she had some qualifications to discuss national security. Has anyone asked them?

Posted by: Jim on May 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

as if she had some qualifications to discuss national security.

She was deputy Secretary of State the last few years, specializing on Iran and then the Near East. She's absolutely toxic, but not necessarily unqualified.

Posted by: Danp on May 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

Where does the idea that her mother has a "softer touch" come from? When I saw her on TV interview shows back in the 90s she came off as a highly partisan buzz saw.

Posted by: Colin on May 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM | PERMALINK

Nepotism really does seem to be part of the winger sensibility. Not quite sure why...

Posted by: MattF on May 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

MattF:Nepotism really does seem to be part of the winger sensibility. Not quite sure why...

Perhaps these people unconsciously model the US on something close to an absolute monarchy in which power is passed down amongst the ruling families from generation to generation. In the sixties they saw the Kennedy brothers as the model (there was talk about how JFK might be succeeded by RFK, and then Teddy). The combination of believing the Democrats stole the 1960 election and the fear that Kennedys' might be in power for 24 years affected their thinking

Posted by: Johnny Canuck on May 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

Who are these people?

Democrats who never want to see another Republican administration in the future of our country.

Posted by: Texas Aggie on May 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM | PERMALINK

The entire Redstate Strike Force -- aka 24 middle-aged fat dudes.

Posted by: hells littlest angel on May 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM | PERMALINK

That dishonesty thing is a feature, not a bug. The Republican Party needs people who can lie like Basil Fawlty if it is going to survive.

Posted by: Nat on May 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM | PERMALINK

Makes sense. She's a Republican wet dream: tough talking and dumb as the day is long. Just like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Guiliani, Palin, Limbaugh, and Bachmann.

Posted by: glutz78 on May 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK

"Everyone wants her to run"? Who are these people?
=========================

The Dilbert translation is "I asked my cat, Mittens."

Posted by: Fleas direct the era on May 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Where does the idea that her mother has a "softer touch" come from? When I saw her on TV interview shows back in the 90s she came off as a highly partisan buzz saw.

She has that ability to smile through her contempt that seems to be the hallmark of conservative leaders. Think Condi Rice and Pat Robertson.

Posted by: Del Capslock on May 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK

Nepotism really does seem to be part of the winger sensibility. Not quite sure why...

One of the eye-opening hallmarks of the Bush Admin was the over-riding importance of loyalty to party above all. that's one of the reasons that they are so big about filling positions with their relatives - doesn't get any more loyalty than that

Posted by: andy on May 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not going to be impressed until she shoots a friend in the face and tells Nancy Pelosi to go fuck herself.

Posted by: buddy66 on May 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM | PERMALINK

"The BAse" has shown itself able to swallow just about anything--but will the religious nuts line up behind an openly gay woman with five kids? I can't see her getting the relgious palinists. The shoot 'em, torture 'em. I hate the gov'ment that subsidizes my life style types, maybe but not the troops of church folk who are the foot soldiers of the party.

Posted by: wonkie on May 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

please let her run. and her dad, and palin and every other ox headed wingnuttia inhabitant they have over there on the right. the more i see of her, the better i like anyone on the left. she is a poster kid for a more informed electorate. she lies and farts and tap dances but i don't think anyone in the real world believes much of her claptrap. let her yap.

Posted by: pluckypurcel on May 25, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

gay woman with five kids?

Mary is the gay sister. Liz is the one with 5 kids.

Posted by: Danp on May 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Did anyone check out the link to this article? The comments section is very pro-Cheney. They're swooning over her and her old man.

Posted by: garnash on May 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK

"She's a chip off the block!"

I have to agree with that. She has avoided military service just like her dear old dad.

Posted by: Bill on May 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM | PERMALINK

These are the people who thought that the wedding of Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston would be must-see TV (actually it would have been, just not in a way that would have helped the McCain campaign), so their assessments of what will go over with the general public have to be viewed as suspect.

But I'm sure Liz Cheney would be a fine candidate, for some Mormon belt congressional seat or such like. Still, the way the Republicans jump for joy every time a new face fit for polite company shows up, you have to wonder if their farm system has any prospects with any kind of big-league potential.

Posted by: kth on May 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM | PERMALINK

"...and her mom's softer touch"

Huh? I've heard both of those two make the pitbull with lipstick sound like a puddy-cat. Think hyenas with hemorrhoids.

Posted by: beep52 on May 25, 2009 at 1:07 PM | PERMALINK

There are many of us in the Republican Party who would be proud to have Liz Cheney carry forward the banner of our party.

Liz would be a natural candidate in my old Congressional District is white northern Florida. Her loyalty to her father reflects well upon our Republican value of loyalty above all else to our party and to our funders. She instinctively understands that in national and international affairs that might makes right. The reason for us to have power is to use it!

Posted by: Joe Scabborough on May 25, 2009 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

And as Atrios would have condensed one of Steve's post from a few days back, "What is Liz Cheney doing on my teevee?"

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on May 25, 2009 at 1:14 PM | PERMALINK

Someone needs to ask Liz whether she agrees with her supporters that her sister and nephew are abominations unto God.

Posted by: Disputo on May 25, 2009 at 1:21 PM | PERMALINK

if the travesty that was the bush administration is not brought to justice, you will see liz cheney in a future government, continuing her father's work.

Posted by: karen marie on May 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM | PERMALINK

They've got Bushes, Tafts, Kristols, Goldbergs, and Powells.
We've got Kennedys, Cuomos, and Clintons (by marriage, not descent -- yet), and (if we define "we" loosely enough) Udalls and Bayhs.
It's not at all clear to me which side is more nepotistic, or even whether there's a difference that's statistically significant.

Posted by: smartalek on May 25, 2009 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

She was deputy Secretary of State the last few years, specializing on Iran and then the Near East. She's absolutely toxic, but not necessarily unqualified.

Yes, of the Vice President's two daughters, she was certainly the best qualified for that job.

"...and her mom's softer touch"

Yeah, to my eye, Lynn Cheney makes Dick look like the jovial priest played by Barry Fitzgerald.

USNews, of course, is Fox with a "softer touch"

Posted by: Jim on May 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with the previous commenters. Lynn Cheney has a soft touch?!? WTH, she must be a rock as compared to a hard place...

BTW, she was not a "deputy" Secretary of State. She was a Deputy ASSISTANT Secretary of State.

Not that I know what that means, but she was Deputy to an Assistant, not to the Secretary of State.

Her "portfolio" was an "economic" one according to Wikipedia. Getting no-bid contracts for KBR?

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on May 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM | PERMALINK

"Everyone wants her to run"? Who are these people?


Freepers.

Posted by: Stitchy on May 25, 2009 at 2:04 PM | PERMALINK

"Everyone wants her to run? Who are these people?"
ME.
And when she reaches land's end, to keep right on running.

Posted by: Chopin on May 25, 2009 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

I haven't seen Lynn C.(no TV) but I do know this (living in a red state), the truth is not what the right wing is interested in: it just wants fear-driven consensus, whatever the price truth must pay. Enormously popular emails are circulating in my neighborhood which circulate down and dirty, verifiably false stuff about Obama, about the economy, about guns, about non-existent threats and poisonous intentions. I play straight arrow and email back the truth with quotes from the Congressional Record, etc. etc. These have no effect whatsoever. How to deal with this? After all, fiction is so much more convincing to many Americans than reality.

What seems obvious is that the left is being drawn into this (deliberately) and is self-defeating in its own desire (like mine!) to complain and to try set the record straight. We spend far too much time reacting to Sarah, to Rush, to Lynn. They're potent bait and we leap to take the hook.

If we were to expend the same time and energy on getting the job(s) done as we do on combatting fictions, we'd have a cohesive, effective, unassailable majority for decades to come. Just look at the numbers. Obama, for all our doubts and reservations about his post-inaugural policy decisions, is a very competent politician. He knows what we need to do to maintain and grow a solid majority -- and is trying to get us to turn our attention to getting the job(s) done. If that's what we want, then ignore the embarrassing farts coming from the Republicans.

Posted by: PW on May 25, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

"Everyone wants her to run"? Who are these people?

Sneaky Democrats?

A little more seriously - I'd guess it's the same people who got so excited about Joe the Plumber. The "Haranguer-of-the-Month" Fan Club set. The heroes of the day don't have to make sense, tell the truth or know..anything. It makes for a wide open field.

And we said they didn't have a Big Tent....

Posted by: Lucky Ducky on May 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM | PERMALINK

...and while we're at it, could someone--SOMEONE--explain to me how mother and daughter can have an *absolute* difference in their pronunciation of the name? With differing stories to back them up? Is it just part of the rebranding, or did they check the Skull & Bones Big Book and find out that we've been mispronouncing it all of these years, so that Chthulu cannot enter this dimension?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkKUHjvLsA

Posted by: Anna Granfors on May 25, 2009 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

Saddam ruled with only 15 percent Sunni Arab support and only a couple hundred in his extended political family. Republicans are down to these numbers, so nepotism is their only hope.

Posted by: Henry Bayer on May 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

"'She's a chip off the block!' said a longtime friend."

So was Baby Doc.

Posted by: 2Manchu on May 25, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK

Get real, Steve, it's not ridiculous. She's a forceful, determined, articulate advocate for the mad-as-a-torturing hatter right wing. She's much smarter than Palin, and her pedigree helps her, especially with Republicans, who have no other untarnished brands out there. She's not tarnished by her dad's excesses, even though she supports them. I believe she's a threat. The fact that she's willing to say directly that Obama does not support a strong national defense will make her a conquering hero to the wingnut base.

Posted by: bruce k on May 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

Notice they haven't put the gay one front and center.

Posted by: buggy ding dong on May 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM | PERMALINK

Liz Cheney looks and sounds a lot more like her mother, but has the policies and viewpoints of her father.

If she wants to run for office, good for her. But she shouldnt be handed some kind of public office just because her dad is the Dark Lord.

Posted by: Chris from Maine on May 25, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Do these idiots smoke crack? Jeebus!

Posted by: Mark on May 25, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

Have you forgotten that Lynne Cheney is the former head of the National Endowment for the Humanities. During her tenure she attempted to turn the organization into a flag-waving propaganda machine. When standards for the teaching of history were developed by the National Center for History in the Schools she criticized them as "politically correct" and blasted those who wrote them. She prefers indoctrination of students to education.

Posted by: Long Memory on May 25, 2009 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

"If she wants to run for office, good for her. But she shouldnt be handed some kind of public office just because her dad is the Dark Lord."

Speaking of dark lords and being handed a public office .......

Posted by: RT on May 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK

>"Do these idiots smoke crack? Jeebus!"

They don't need to smoke crack. Most of these folks have the 'God gene' complex, which is closely linked with the right-wing-authoritarian personality syndrome.

Their neurchemistry has natural endorphin feedback loops that are disrupted when they encounter ideas and situations contrary to their internal world view. They literally cannot weigh different viewpoints and make rational choices... it causes extreme neurological discomfort. [aka cognitive dissonance]

Unfortunately, I'm not making this stuff up. It turns out there is a biological answer to the enternal question... "Why are humans so f#cked up?".

Since a good portion of the population has the genetic makeup for RWA syndrome, the above does not bode well for the survival of humanity or the planet... but as a small comfort, it explains a lot.

Posted by: Buford on May 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

What are the surnames of Cheneyette's five kids? What sort of Republican matron is she, if she won't accept her husband's name? Where are her family values?

Posted by: exlibra on May 25, 2009 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

5 young children is sad.. They have a crazy bitch for a mother. You have to assume that that bs is being programmed into them (Jebus-terrorists-Gramps). Why this retard ever made it to the airwaves is anybody's guess. I'd say can we get a Katie Couric but the softballs are useless. Why is this Cheney sperm-spawn on television, WHY?

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on May 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM | PERMALINK

Republicans should absolutely capitalize on this opportunity. A Palin/Cheney ticket is a winner!

Trust me, Repugs...

Posted by: sb on May 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney = Chain me

Posted by: anonymous on May 25, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

Her "portfolio" was an "economic" one according to Wikipedia. Getting no-bid contracts for KBR?

Aside from the nepotism, the thing that really bugs me is the fact that she appears to have no expertise in intelligence gathering or interrogation techniques. Not that that ever stopped these idiots from shooting their mouths off.
When she resorts to fictional "ticking time bomb" justifications for torture, she's not a serious person. Definitely a kinder, gentler Palin, but a wingnut none the less. I say go for it--Palin/Cheney 2012. Pretty please!

Posted by: Allan Snyder on May 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

Note also that US News granted a Cheney friend anonymity so they could call her "awesome."

Posted by: Dalton on May 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM | PERMALINK

A "chip off the old block" would make her diarrhea...more like a "run off the old pile".

She is being promoted to run for higher office eventually by a very desperate conservative bunch of Dick supporters. That is proving to be one vile family.

Cheney has been screwing people over to the point of racketeering in government and some want this to continue??? Good luck with that. Having Cheney opinions all over the air is not news but punishment and embarrassment. There will be no more republican administrations till the current generation dies out or they change...and conservatives never change...they just rebrand.

Posted by: bjobotts on May 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM | PERMALINK

[]... the next time there's a Republican president, the younger Cheney "could take the policy under secretary's position in a Republican administration when her children are older."

Her children may have grandchildren by then, if they keep this up.

Posted by: wmac on May 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM | PERMALINK

RT, do you have any citations or sources for that "God Gene" crap you're shoveling?

I now this isn't BoingBoing, where you 'd get called out in a sec, but you really ought to give us a hint...

Posted by: buddy66 on May 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM | PERMALINK

It won't be Jeb + anyone in 2012. 2012 is going to be for a Bob Dole, a sacrificial lamb to try to lead a wounded, fractured party up against the intimidating, indomitable Obama. I predict Romney beats Palin (who would be foolish to run, so she will) for the nomination in his last gasp as a serious national candidate.

Jeb isn't the sharpest kife in the drawer, but he's not so stupid that he won't wait for 2016. Ditto for Piyush Jindal.

Posted by: Daddy Love on May 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

First, RWA syndrome:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

Money quotes:
"According to research by Altemeyer, right-wing authoritarians tend to exhibit cognitive errors and symptoms of faulty reasoning. Specifically, they are more likely to make incorrect inferences from evidence and to hold contradictory ideas that result from compartmentalized thinking. They are also more likely to uncritically accept insufficient evidence that supports their beliefs, and they are less likely to acknowledge their own limitations.[10] Nevertheless, there is no connection between authoritarianism and either low or high intelligence. In terms of the five factor model of personality, authoritarians generally score lower on openness to experience and slightly higher on conscientiousness.

...

In roleplaying situations, authoritarians tend to seek dominance over others by being competitive and destructive instead of cooperative. In a study by Altemeyer, 68 authoritarians played a three hour simulation of the earth's future entitled the Global Challenge Game. Unlike a comparison game played by individuals with low RWA scores, the simulation by authoritarians became highly militarized and eventually entered the stage of nuclear war. By the end of the high RWA game, the entire population of the earth was declared dead."

Looks like Republicans are not the independent rugged individualists they like to think they are.

Posted by: Daddy Love on May 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM | PERMALINK

"Who are these people who want her to run?"

Fred Hiatt, David Gregory, John King, etc etc etc.

Posted by: Steve Kelso on May 25, 2009 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Wishiwuz2 nailed it down right out of the gate - Palin supporters, and everyone in Conservative Nutland who uncritically accepts as a candidate for the nation's highest office the most bizarre figure - provided they have a big, loud mouth and hate Democrats. We've seen Rush Limbaugh touted as major leadership material because he goes into foam-splattered rants, John Boehner because he's a born crybaby, and Sarah Palin for the same reasons as Liz Cheney.

This negligible support base (and it is) would get behind the ghost of Lee Harvey Oswald if it made a good impression on the Conservative talk shows and IMCRAZEE radio. All that's necessary to make that good impression, apparently, is to roll your eyes back in your head, scream hoarsely and spit whenever anyone says "Democrat".

Posted by: Mark on May 25, 2009 at 8:04 PM | PERMALINK

We can only pray that Liz Cheney becomes the new leader of the Republican Party and runs on a ticket with Bobby Jindal.

Is it possible to arrange a mud match between Liz Cheney and McCain's daughter? Naked? Ever since Michael Vick got busted there's been no real entertainment...

Posted by: PopeRatzo on May 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM | PERMALINK

"Is it possible to arrange a mud match between Liz Cheney and McCain's daughter? Naked?"
Posted by: PopeRatzo on May 25, 2009 at 9:59

It helps if there's someone you want to actually win...

Posted by: smartalek on May 25, 2009 at 11:08 PM | PERMALINK

Does the use of "awesome" by conservatives when speaking of their new darlings suggest an adolescent frame of mind?

Posted by: Marc on May 26, 2009 at 7:08 AM | PERMALINK

"Is it possible to arrange a mud match between Liz Cheney and McCain's daughter? Naked?"
Posted by: PopeRatzo on May 25, 2009 at 9:59

It helps if there's someone you want to actually win...


Why? Wouldn't you want to see a steel-cage death match between Dick Cheney and Limbaugh? Or Coulter and Liz Cheney? I mean, where's the downside? Of course, the whole "Naked?" thing (per PopeRatzo) for Cheney/Limbaugh would be a big negative, but outside of that, what patriot wouldn't want to see it?


Does the use of "awesome" by conservatives when speaking of their new darlings suggest an adolescent frame of mind?

No, but "wicked awesome" would.

Posted by: SFAW on May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

But others say that she is unlikely to run for office now because she is raising five young children . . .

That's the problem with Republicans -- they breed like rabbits.

Posted by: Peter Principle on May 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM | PERMALINK

DanP: She was deputy Secretary of State the last few years...

Under Bush/Cheney. That doesn't make her any more qualified for office than Harriet Meyers was for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: DH Walker on May 26, 2009 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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