May 26, 2009
SHARING A BURDEN.... Appearing on Fox News over the weekend, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, made a comment about where Gitmo detainees can and should go.
"I think they need to be kept elsewhere, wherever that is. I don't want to see them come on American soil."
Now, we already know the various problems with Nelson's assumptions (there are already terrorists in U.S. maximum-security facilities, for example). But I was struck by the notion that detainees should be locked up outside the country, "wherever that is." Nelson doesn't have any idea; he just knows where the detainees shouldn't go (i.e., here).
Some U.S. allies may be willing to give us a hand. Just yesterday, Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi told CNN that Italy is prepared to help by accepting an unspecified number of Gitmo detainees. "If we can do this favor for the American people and the U.S. government, we will certainly do it," he said.
That's no doubt welcome news to the administration, but our allies' generosity is not without limits.
Diplomatic sources said [last week] that any ban on resettling detainees in the United States would probably undermine the State Department's efforts to get European countries to accept those cleared for release. European officials have told their American counterparts that they are unwilling to assume a burden that the United States will not share.
And that's hardly an unreasonable position to take. Lawmakers like Nelson seem to think U.S. officials can go to our allies and say, "These guys are just too dangerous for us. Do you mind taking them off our hands? Let's make a deal. We'll take zero. How many will you take?"
We may be able to receive some assistance from international allies, but if Congress insists that no U.S. detainee step foot on American soil, our outreach efforts will fail.
—Steve Benen 8:35 AM
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And if you buy the 1 in 7 argument, all of those who "went back to terrorism" were released to somebody else. What a coward!
Posted by: Danp on May 26, 2009 at 8:40 AM | PERMALINK
Choices are: Nelson is serious and is motivated by sheer stupidity and irrational fear, or, Nelson is not serious and believes he can advance his interests by trashing Obama's policies. You decide.
Posted by: MattF on May 26, 2009 at 8:43 AM | PERMALINK
I have a plan.
We'll tell the Congressassholes that no matter where the detainees go, we'll put big hunks of Kryptonite in their cells, and throughout the facilities, to insure that they can't use their superpowers to escape the verdict of 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way!'
Posted by: c u n d gulag on May 26, 2009 at 8:50 AM | PERMALINK
Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi told CNN that Italy is prepared to help by accepting an unspecified number of Gitmo detainees. "If we can do this favor for the American people and the U.S. government, we will certainly do it," he said.
I don't want to foster stereotypes - but it is Berlusconi for chrissakes - doesn't that quote sound a bit like Don Corleone?
Posted by: martin on May 26, 2009 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK
But isn't that the point of the "not on US soil" brigade. If we won't take them and our allies won't take them, then Gitmo has to remain opened.
Posted by: Todd on May 26, 2009 at 8:51 AM | PERMALINK
Isn't the irony here that if we kept these"dangerous terrorists" in our own supermax facilities we would know they are in a secure location while if we send them elsewhere we have no ability to ensure they remain jailed? So isn't sending them somewhere else more dangerous?
I guess I just don't understand these complicated security matters./s/
Posted by: Betty on May 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK
Who are these people - the Ben Nelsons of the world - who blithely make up one rule for themselves and another one for the rest of the world?
This truly is American exceptionalism at its most bizarre.
Posted by: PowerOfx on May 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK
And we all know that Ben Nelson is a first class idiot. Perhaps we should sent him along to guard the prisoners.Wherever that may be!
Posted by: JS on May 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK
"I think they need to be kept elsewhere, where ever that is I don't know, but they definitely shouldn't be brought on American soil." And rather than question the huge gaps in Ben Nelson's logic, the FNC pundit most likely voiced agreement.
This is typical of the short-sighted, shoot first, ask questions later mentality that created the problem in the first place. Before Bush/Cheney created the lockup for detainees at GITMO, they were warned to have plan for how they would eventually dismantle it. Of course, The Decider and Dick ignored it.
Just another example of "Whatever it is, I'm against it" thinking by outspoken, empty-headed, contrary Republicans. (See "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It" clip from the Marx Brothers' movie Horsefeathers.)
Posted by: Carol A on May 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM | PERMALINK
I suggest, either, allowing them to be groundskeepers at Preston Hollow or work crowd control for CornHusker games while wearing Oklahoma Sooner jackets. Are you telling me, Mr Nelson, that rabid Red and White types would fear them?
Posted by: berttheclock on May 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM | PERMALINK
Answer: 16 inches
Question: How far does it appear that Ben Nelson has his head up his ass?
Posted by: AngryOldVet on May 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK
Perhaps those opposed to having the detainees on American soil and in American courts realize that a US defense attorney could easily get charges cleared because of the detainees' mistreatment by Dick Cheney and his cohorts.
Posted by: pj in jesusland on May 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK
"I don't want to see them come on American soil."
Senator Nelson just does not want the detainees to commit the sin of Onan. Why is this a problem?
Posted by: Brock on May 26, 2009 at 9:46 AM | PERMALINK
Yet another example of a useless Democrat who is a poster child for term limits...along with Reid, and all too often, Pelosi...we've waited all this time to get rid of BUSH and now have to deal with these fools when we have an intelligent, articulate, thoughtful president at last!
Posted by: Dancer on May 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK
There is a potentially ideal solution: a US town that wants the detainees!
Their Congrassholes may still be opposed, but this is great PR and the housing the Gitmopes there would bring $$ and jobs to the town of Hardin, Montana. There was a poignant story about it on NBC last night.
Hard-luck Montana town pushes to house Gitmo detainees
* Story Highlights
* City council in Hardin, Montanta, approves housing detainees from Guantanamo Bay
* "Believe it or not, it would even bring hope and opportunity," town official says
* U.S. Sen. John Tester opposes plan: "I don't think they know what they're asking for"
* Reaction mixed in town on what to do with empty $27-million detention facility
What really hurts, is wanker-Dem Max Baucus: "Housing potential terrorists in Montana is not good for our state," Max Baucus, the state's senior Democratic senator, wrote to Smith. "These people stop at nothing. Their primary goal in life, and death, is to destroy America."
What a political hack and traitor to his Party. Maybe worse than Lieberman?
Posted by: Neil B ♪ on May 26, 2009 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK
"Housing potential terrorists in Montana is not good for our state," Max Baucus, the state's senior Democratic senator, wrote to Smith. "These people stop at nothing. Their primary goal in life, and death, is to destroy America."
Well, if they're going to attack us even in death, then to hell with it. I ain't fighting zombies.
Posted by: hells littlest angel on May 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK
yep those terrists are sneaky...they'll stay in Azkaban(Supermax) until the Death Eaters spring em loose from the dementors! They have super powers like the Blind Sheik and Richard Reid! I think these GOP'ers ( and REid) must be working for them because they are spreading the fear better than the terrorists themselves
Accio Justice!
why should we let our allies shoulder a burden we created?
Posted by: johnnymags on May 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK
We will take any step necessary to defend our liberty, unless it scares us.
Posted by: Jon on May 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK
Y'know, I've always thought that Offutt AFB would be the perfect location for a supermax military prison. It's just so "heartland of the homeland", if you catch my drift; so "out in the middle of NoWheresVille"---and it's the perfect way to deliver a rousing "F-U" to America's ever-shrinking minority political entity....
Posted by: S. Waybright on May 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM | PERMALINK
Is there any chance that the democrats might run someone against this turkey in the primaries ?
Posted by: rbe1 on May 26, 2009 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK
Speaking as a born-and-raised Husker fan, I can tell you that Sooner jackets would not work. Oklahoma isn't hated that much. I see people wear OU gear to home games all the time.
But if you put them in Colorado Buffaloes jackets,....
And ff you want to put a supermax in the deep red part of Nebraska, build it near my parents' hometown of Plainview.
Finally, Ben Nelson isn't an idiot, he's playing up to his idiot constituents.
The only way you stay in office here is to not rock the boat (i.e, not say anything that sounds "librul"), and keep the ag subsidies rolling in.
Posted by: 2Manchu on May 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM | PERMALINK
but if Congress insists that no U.S. detainee step foot on American soil, our outreach efforts will fail.
Grrr! SET foot on! Not "step"!
a peeve of mine...
Posted by: Lionel Hutz, attorney-at-law on May 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK