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May 28, 2009

THERE IS NO CAR-DEALER CONSPIRACY.... A whole lot of right-wing blogs are worked up today over a report about the political affiliations of Chrysler dealers who've been shut down.

Evidence appears to be mounting that the Obama administration has systematically targeted for closing Chrysler dealers who contributed to Repubicans [sic]. What started earlier this week as mainly a rumbling on the Right side of the Blogosphere has gathered some steam today with revelations that among the dealers being shut down are a GOP congressman and closing of competitors to a dealership chain partly owned by former Clinton White House chief of staff Mack McLarty.

The basic issue raised here is this: How do we account for the fact millions of dollars were contributed to GOP candidates by Chrysler who are being closed by the government, but only one has been found so far that is being closed that contributed to the Obama campaign in 2008?

Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.), who has a dealership that will close, called this "an outrage." A variety of far-right bloggers chose more colorful language.

And what is the "evidence" of a partisan conspiracy that "appears to be mounting"? As you might have guessed, like most conservative theories, this one is extremely thin. The argument, in a nutshell, is that Chrysler dealers owned by a variety of Republican donors are being closed, the government is now involved with Chrysler's restructuring, so that points to "evidence" that the Obama administration is deliberately punishing GOP contributors.

Nate Silver, who has a nasty habit of using pesky things like facts to respond to silly arguments, explained, "There is just one problem with this theory. Nobody has bothered to look up data for the control group: the list of dealerships which aren't being closed. It turns out that all car dealers are, in fact, overwhelmingly more likely to donate to Republicans than to Democrats -- not just those who are having their doors closed."

There is no conspiracy. The Obama administration is not using Chrysler's bankruptcy to punish individual Republican contributors. Conservative blogs jumped on this before thinking it through.

Nothing to see here; move along.

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Well see here ..we got this news show on TEEVEE to run and we can't run it without news that our listners want to hear so we grasp at staws and push any ol shit as "NEWS" Why do you think we only quote the juicy parts of Soytomayors speech

Posted by: Shean Hannity and the rest of the MSM on May 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

Conservative blogs jumped on this before thinking it through.

In other news, the sun rose this morning...

Posted by: WoofWoof on May 28, 2009 at 1:13 PM | PERMALINK

Auto dealership political groups have been stauchly Republican for years. They have been among the loudest voices for the elimination of the inheritance tax, for example. They also as a rule treat their employees like crap, so oppose anything that smells like pro-labor. And they *hate* any consumer protections whatsoever. Whether they are wheeling-dealing in their showrooms or "upselling" all kinds of unnecessary car maintenance in the service bays, they continually prove that they are experts at screwing the consumer.

And this goes triply for the Chrysler dealer network, which has a long history of tricking consumers into paying to repair their faulty transmissions and engines.

Posted by: Anonny on May 28, 2009 at 1:15 PM | PERMALINK

As I said on twitter, the union employees getting laid off are overwhelmingly Democratic. Clearly there's some sort of anti-political agenda going on in the Obama administration.

Posted by: Dave Munger on May 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody has bothered to look up data for the control group: the list of dealerships which aren't being closed.

What do you expect from a bunch of ignorant creationists?

Posted by: JM on May 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM | PERMALINK

Want to loose car dealership or other job. Donate money to RNC or any opponent of Obama.

Next he start shipping people to Siberia or North Alaska work camp!

Since Obama refused to release her certificate,

I Igor produce Barrack Milhaus Hussein Obama Birth Certificate at www.igormaro.org

Posted by: Igor Marxomarxovich on May 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

Has Glenn Beck done the full dive into this particular cesspool? It's a simple, stupid bit of paranoia that would madden an ignorant populace, so it is tailor-made for his show.

Posted by: Travis on May 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM | PERMALINK

The nightly weather report for these overreaching ultrapartisans - dark with scattered light during the morning hours - is something they know can't be argued with the following day because for their insular world that never changes even in light of the empirical data they are presented with is the only world with which they feel comfortable.

What buffoons! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on May 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM | PERMALINK

From what I can gather, in response to the fact that most dealers are Republicans, they have a new line:

Of course car dealers are mostly Republicans. That's why Obama is shutting down dealerships in the first place!

These people are irredeemable idiots.

Posted by: John on May 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

Conservative blogs jumped on this before thinking it through.

I would have said 'without thinking it through'. 'Before' implies that at some point they will actually think it through.

Posted by: steve s on May 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM | PERMALINK

Chrysler shut down the unprofitable and under-performing dealers. The corporate sales numbers prove this fact.

If the majority of those dealers happen to be Republicans, then this is another proof that Republicans are lousy businessmen and should not be trusted with anyone's money or time.

Posted by: Unix Pimp on May 28, 2009 at 1:31 PM | PERMALINK

The conservative movement is not getting enough oxygen.

Posted by: beep52 on May 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Nate's analysis is inexact. It shows car dealers in general. Very likely Chrysler (and GM, and Ford) dealers are more conservative than their import breathern. Low volume Chrysler dealers are likely to skew even more conservative as they are from predominantly rural areas.

Posted by: Anonny on May 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

There would be sound, non-partisan reasons for shutting down small-town dealerships (i.e., economies of scale for higher traffic locations). And those smallvilles tend to be whiter and more Republican. So you would have to control for market size as well. That statistical exercise seems like a really tall order for your average right-wing blog.

Posted by: kth on May 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Silly, silly Nate Silver -- the poor man thinks he can use facts to disprove a talking point.

Actually, when the dealer shutdowns were announced, I heard it mentioned that about half of those being closed had sales of fewer than one hundred cars per year. Shutting those dealerships doesn't sound like a partisan decision to me.

I imagine that most of these dealerships that sell only a few cars every month are actually part of megalots that sell multiple lines of automobiles; losing the Chrysler franchise will hurt, but not put them out business. After all, they weren't staying in business selling an average of two cars a week to begin with.

Posted by: Andy on May 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

There is no conspiracy. The Obama administration is not using Chrysler's bankruptcy to punish individual Republican contributors.

Actually, one reason conservatives created a conspiracy in their tiny, tiny minds was because it's precisely something they themselves would do. Over the last eight years the Bush regime often used public government resources to punish their political enemies and reward their contributors, so Republicans just naturally (and falsely) assume the Obama administration would do the same.

Posted by: Stefan on May 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

A Chrysler dealership is a freakin' valuable thing. You don't just let anyone keep one.

Posted by: TonyB on May 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

anyone with an iq above 10 should be able to figure out that owners of car dealerships are more likely to be republican than democrat. of course having an 1q above 10 eliminates most if not all right wing blowhards.

Posted by: mudwall jackson on May 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

The Republicans were calling for letting all three car makers file for bankruptcy. Did they expect contributions to McCain and other Reps to save their dealerships?

Posted by: Danp on May 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM | PERMALINK

'Falconero works for Mattiola Service L.L.C. of Skippack, a subcontractor on the Route 422 work. He said he'd been with the company for 15 years but was a bit worried about his future until construction work sprouted up all over this spring.

"All the work is opening now," he said. "It was a little slow until the [stimulus] package came along. This is a real big job for us."'

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20090528_Federal-stimulus_highway_work_begins.html

I'm fairly certain that the CEO's of these big construction firms aren't Democrats.

Posted by: Viceroy Matt on May 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM | PERMALINK

What, are we supposed to have "empathy" for these Republican car dealers? Perish the thought.

Why would it not surprise me if the same group raising a hue and cry over Republican car dealers losing their businesses were the same ones saying that we should let the American auto manufacturers fail altogether? THAT wouldn't have hurt the dealers?!?

Or saying that (overwhelmingly Democratic) union members need to take massive pay cuts and/or accept that it is the order of things that their jobs move to Asia while they "retrain," presumably as managers of fast food restaurants?

In their world, financial pain is only real if hits a group they can identify with...in this case largely white, male, wealthy and conservative.

Posted by: trex on May 28, 2009 at 1:55 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not surprised that most car dealers are Republicans, since car dealers are nothing more than bullshit artists who are one bad quarter away from hocking fake watches on a street corner.

The whole Republican party lately smacks of that smarmy sect who would sell their own mother's soul to convince you to get the undercoating.

Posted by: doubtful on May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

These guys are so stupid it hurts.

Not to mention that minority owners of dealerships are being harder hit than white owners. Care to explain how that fits into the conspiracy theory? Is it because Barack Obama doesn't care about black people?

Posted by: anon on May 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM | PERMALINK

It just so happens that the dealers who contributed to the Obama campaign are selling Toyotas.

Posted by: CT on May 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM | PERMALINK

Good luck getting the public to rise up in outrage over mistreated car dealers.

Posted by: Jon on May 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Most car dealerships are owned by Republicans? No wonder Jerry Lundegaard & Wade Gustafson seemed so real.

Although I'd say that those two were a bit more successful than most car dealers.

Posted by: BuzzMon on May 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

The null hypothesis is that dealerships being closed are a random sampling from all dealers and political affiliations will reflect that.

Statistically, a significantly higher number of Republican owned dealer ships are being closed. However, these aren't being targeted randomly, my understanding is that the lowest performers are being closed.

So: given the above, if you claim a higher percentage of Republican owned dealerships are being closed, then it means Republicans are poorer managers.

Posted by: gawp on May 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM | PERMALINK

Rush will tell the base that it is just like the white firemen getting screwed over by Sotomayor in the Ricci case and it will make perfect sense to them.

Posted by: Michael7843853 on May 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
The conservative movement is not getting enough oxygen.

Don't take your foot off the hose!

Ed

Posted by: Ed Drone on May 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM | PERMALINK

So since you're all just SO sure that there is nothing to this, I'm sure you'll all join me in calling for...what was it that Obama campaigned on?..oh yes - TRANSPARENCY.
Publish the criteria used...

Posted by: tomaig on May 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

The Republican loyalty would do exactly what the clzim is. The dealer with the most $$$$ to republican party would stay open . The lesser dealers need not apply. Even better the Christianan dealer that gave $$$$ would be placed at the top of the open list. Thsi is Republican policy & procedure and it is felt that all other political parties will comply with this rule.

Posted by: mljohnston on May 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

Igor Marxomarxovich for Dictator! Know despair!

Posted by: Savannah Evans on May 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM | PERMALINK

This story is a libertarian-originated story, from Libertarian Republican blog and Atlas Shrugs. The liberal media is now spinning it as a "conservative" originated story. Naturally, they do not wish to attack libertarians directly, so they go after our weaker cousins, the conservatives.

We libertarians have an entirely different take on this matter. If you liberal reporters would bother investigating it, you might learn something.

Posted by: Eric Dondero on May 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

1) Why are there so many five star (top-performing) dealerships being closed down?

2) Why are there Democratic contributors/activists among the protected dealerships? (And minority ones, too, for that matter, notwithstanding your assumption that there are not?)

3) Why aren't we being told what the criteria were?

Posted by: Little Miss Attila on May 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

and remember, punishing via firing of US attorneys that didnt pursue bogus democratic voter fraud charges isnt worth investigating.

Posted by: ron on May 28, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Naturally, they do not wish to attack libertarians directly, so they go after our weaker cousins, the conservatives. -Eric Dondero

You're 'weaker' cousins? How many Libertarians are there in the federal government? (And no, pretending to be a Libertarian to run for President and sell books doesn't count.) Most people measure political strength by actual relevancy, not self-importance.

Libertarians are nothing but people who want to smoke pot and screw hookers without penalty who are bound to conservatism out of a desire to not pay for anything the government does for them.

Posted by: doubtful on May 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

If the proportion of Republicans to Democrats in the dealers being closed is roughly the same proportion in dealers generally, your superficial analysis holds water. If the general ration is 75/25 and the ratio of dealers being closed is 95/5, not so much. I'll wait for the facts, personally.

Posted by: John on May 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Oh dear. The fact that anyone feels the need to actually take this charge seriously enough to offer a rebuttal of it which doesn't consist entirely of outright mockery is why people think Dems are wusses.

You don't need to disprove this charge. You just have to laugh at the people making it. That's all it takes, and you win. Point, and laugh.

Posted by: onceler on May 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

1) Why are there so many five star (top-performing) dealerships being closed down?

A five-star rating only measures customer service via surveys, not sale volume. Many low-volume dealers gain five-star ratings precisely because they are less busy and can focus more on the customer.

2) Why are there Democratic contributors/activists among the protected dealerships?

Why are there Republican contributors/activists among the protected dealerships? Because the criteria had nothing to do with political leanings but rather focused on sales volume and thinning out dealerships geographically.

The Chrysler executives made the cuts. According to turn-around experts, they are focusing on keeping dealers with high sales volume. Chrysler has more than twice as many dealers than Toyota, who sells a LOT more vehicles, and dealers themselves for years have been arguing that the glut of dealerships was cutting into their bottom line.

Can you even imagine trying to make cuts based on

3) Why aren't we being told what the criteria were?

Congress is hauling the execs to Washington soon to explain their criteria, so stay tuned.

Posted by: trex on May 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM | PERMALINK

My son works for a GM dealer that hasn't been closed - it missed the first round of cuts better said. The owner of the dealership has been chomping at the bit for a GM bankruptcy because "that would be the end of the union". Sounds like he might be a republican, don't you think? And I bet 90 per cent of dealers are gopers.

Posted by: CDW on May 28, 2009 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

There are unjustified conspiracy theorists on both ends of the political spectrum. Of course, on the left the 9/11 "truth" sorts are marginalized wackos. On the right, however, the nutjobs have shows on FOX and leadership positions in the Senate. E.g., Sen. Inhofe thinks that climate science is a global socialist hoax, but has been the GOP point man in the Senate on the issue.

One exception shows a degree of unfortunate CT tolerance on the left. HuffPo is a major lefty website that is unfortunately taken in by anti-vaccination conspiracy theories. Personally, I won't read HuffPo because their health and science reporting is so incredibly bad that it undermines their credibility across the board because it shows a complete lack of editorial standards. So, there's a need to be vigilant about these things on both ends of the spectrum, even though it's completely out of hand only on the right where conspiracy theories on a host of issues are accepted views even of elected officials.

Posted by: jrshipley on May 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Silvers lack of knowledge , integrety and intelligence has over time proven his devotion to the DNC and all they proclaim. Yes a large percentage of dealership are republican but saying that why are the more successful dealerships being closed (5 Star)? Why if the idea is to reduce cost by reducing dealerships, is the new management( Obama's Car Czar) looking to create new dealership and by the way the new dealerships are almost all DNC contributors? This is just another MSM cover story to prove their loyalty to the DNC. Nothing new here continue to sleep sheeple.

Posted by: Magic on May 28, 2009 at 3:51 PM | PERMALINK

If the general ration [sic] is 75/25 and the ratio of dealers being closed is 95/5, not so much. -John

That's absurd. Because of real world variables (sales, location, etc.), that's irrational. It's likely that more rural and small town dealerships will be shut down while bigger urban and suburban dealerships will remain open.

Rural dealers are more likely to be owned by Republicans. Because of their location, not their ownership, they are more likely to be closed, and there exists the potential for statistical aberration from the ratio of owners in general.

It doesn't make sense to retain or close dealerships based on the owner's political affiliation. It makes sense to make those decisions based on sales and location, which are almost definitely the two primary factors being considered.

That doesn't mean the aberration is politically motivated in the least. On the contrary, it would be political motivations striving to keep open undesirable dealerships by admitting unnecessary information into the decision making equation.

Posted by: doubtful on May 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Silvers lack of knowledge , integrety and intelligence has over time proven his devotion to the DNC and all they proclaim.

Bwahahahaha! I think you mean to say that his knowledge and intelligence concerning the outcome of the presidential election was better than anyone else's by far.

Why if the idea is to reduce cost by reducing dealerships, is the new management( Obama's Car Czar) looking to create new dealership and by the way the new dealerships are almost all DNC contributors?

Well, that's not only not remotely true it's outright insane. But I can appreciate your efforts at promoting false memes on blogs.

Posted by: trex on May 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM | PERMALINK

Mr. Silvers [sic] lack of knowledge , integrety and intelligence has over time proven his devotion to the DNC and all they proclaim. -Magic

Oh please. Nate's only devotion is to numbers. You know, those squiggly lines that made your head all hurty before you dropped out of the third grade? Numbers?

I swear, it's like the entire right wing has never heard of statistics.

Posted by: doubtful on May 28, 2009 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

If you believe in this conspiracy, you probably went for the undercoating, the paint sealant, and the extended warrantee.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell on May 28, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

I don't care about the dealers. I'll never buy another UAW vehicle.

Posted by: Redneck Hillbilly on May 28, 2009 at 4:30 PM | PERMALINK

A week or so ago, there was a fascinating article in NYT, on the subject of closing Chrysler dealerships. It didn't say anything about the dealers' party adherence (though you could imagine) but what did seem to emerge is that many of them had been had, by Chrysler bigwigs.

In an effort to present a better picture/gain a bigger bargaining chip in negotiations, the Chrysler bigwigs talked many of those small-time dealers into ordering more stock. One was even talked into relocating, into a larger lot. They all were promised that, if they ordered more cars, their dealerships wouldn't be closed. Sometimes, as an extra encouragement, they were told that their competitors in the same town *would* be closed, so that it would be easy to get rid of their overstock. They all borrowed money to comply and curry favour... And they all got the chop anyway.

But -- and that's important -- this (perfectly legal) scam had been going on *for months*. That is, *Chrysler* flimflammed those dealers long before Obama was even sworn in, much less before he pushed for Chrysler bankruptcy. Chrysler knew what was coming and the people on top decided to save what they could -- for themselves. The individual dealers? Who cares?

If those people were dimwitted enough to believe that Chrysler was going to keep its promise to them, because they had been good little loyal dealers for years... They're dimwitted enough to believe that it's Obama who is responsible for their misery and, if it's Obama, then, of course, it has to be for political reasons...

Posted by: exlibra on May 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

If you're trying to sell a crappy/mediocre product
in a financial enviroment where few want your crappy cars, and of those that do, few can afford
to buy, why on earth would you close dealerships and reduce your sales force?!?

Posted by: I don't get it on May 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM | PERMALINK

math has a liberal bias.

Posted by: clb72 on May 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK

Whether there was any political bias during these closings or not, one thing is for sure, there will be next time. Now that the U.S. GOVERNMENT ...GAVE ( I can't even believe I am saying something like this in the United States of America) ... YES... GAVE the unions controlling shares of a publicly owned business, who then will the Chrysler executives decide to cut next time. Oh yes there will be a next time because the unions are cauldrons of socialism they breed laziness and protectionism and sub-standard workmanship (just ask the Japanese) and their stifling of competition and legendary reputation for mismanagement and corruption will guarantee that they replicate the failure of a business that they have already caused to fail.

Posted by: Otis Rice on May 28, 2009 at 6:37 PM | PERMALINK

One of the delightful things about this crash is that it's decimating the petit bourgeois 'enterpriser' demographic that's so very susceptible to GOP theology. These overindebted, 'hard working' small fry are being confronted by the fact that shit happens. Cuts the party's financial support quite nicely.

Posted by: nemesis on May 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM | PERMALINK

Dude -- you didn't check out the latest on RLJ dealerships and Lithia dealerhips!

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/05/dealergate-statistical-evidence-that.html

Dem bigwigs stayed open and all their competion was wiped out in all markets. What are the odds of that happening?

Stan

Posted by: SCourson on May 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM | PERMALINK

if i believe what you say on here is true...all republicans are stupid. the best plan was not to just let the car builders go bankrupt. the best plan was to sink billions and billions of dollars into them and then go bankrupt!!! i guess i am stupid because it still doesn't make sense to me

Posted by: wallin on May 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

Magic writes:

"Why if the idea is to reduce cost by reducing dealerships, is the new management( Obama's Car Czar) looking to create new dealership.....?"

I haven't heard about new dealerships, although that's conceivable if an area isn't covered. But I can prove to you that the plan to close dealerships didn't originate with Obama. The Chrysler plan goes at least as far back as February, 2008. It was called Project Genesis. Here's a link to an article from February, 2008, well before Obama took office and had any influence over company decisions.

http://www.carseek.com/news/february2008/Chrysler-announces-Project-Genesis/

The RW bloggers and radio talk show host who are pushing the myth that the closures were Obama's idea rely exclusively on an attorney for the closed dealerships. His evidence is extremely weak, just that he deposed a Chrysler executive and got the "impression" that Chrysler didn't want to close the dealerships. My link proves him, and the rest of the right wing theorists wrong.

Posted by: creeksneakers2 on May 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM | PERMALINK

Dude, what happened is all the right-wing mental defectives bought that 'America's the world's strongest economy' shit. They were too stupid to get dealerships for decent cars from Europe or Japan. The Chrysler fatcats ran rings around them, stuffed inventory up their ass, and put them out of business. Meanwhile, because they think America's the world's strongest economy, the same dimwitted dealers bought shit American stocks and shit American real estate with the money they didn't piss away on conspicuous consumption trying to keep up with the financiers in their neighborhood. Now the financiers are doing fine sucking Federal tit, while the dealers get hind tit after the unions. Hey, shoulda thought of that when you gave to the RNC. Losers.

Posted by: nemesis on May 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM | PERMALINK

Don't you get it? Obama decided to close car dealerships just because he knew that most of the car dealers are Republicans! You didn't see him closing down any used bookstores, did you? No, because those are mostly owned by Democrats, as Mr. smart-guy Obama knows very well.

Posted by: Ralph on May 29, 2009 at 1:11 AM | PERMALINK

It's not so much that the dealers were Republicans; more so that they're libertarian, Ayn Randist individualist, who say "to hell with the government, we don't nee you."

Recall the waning days of campaign '08. Obama started attacking the "Virtue of Selfishness." Ever since, him and his leftwing fascist troops have been on the attack against the entire libertarian movement.

Just a few weeks ago, the DHS report specifically targetted LIBERTARIANS! Conservatives were secondary in their report.

But of course, the liberal media played it up as a "conservative vs. liberal" deal, instead of a liberal vs. libertarian deal.

This current Dealergate scandal, is not liberal vs. conservative. It is absolutely liberal vs. libertarian. And Obama is leading the charge.

Keep it up liberals. Keep attacking us libertarians. You're pushing us into the welcoming arms of the Right.

And you think conservatives are y'all's worse enemies? You haven't seen nothing yet. We Libertarians are ten times more ferocious as mild-mannered polite Mr. & Mrs. John Doe Conservative.

Posted by: Eric Dondero on May 29, 2009 at 8:25 AM | PERMALINK

I was terrified until I saw that photo of a chubby middle-aged gentleman wearing a necktie. What kind of libertarian wears a necktie?

Posted by: nemesis on May 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

Are you perhaps a member of the conformatarian wing of the libertarian movement? Or perhaps you are a car salesman by trade,standing twelve hours a day in a vast parking lot, showing cupholders to pensioners. Well, freedom isn't free!

Posted by: nemesis on May 29, 2009 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

When will Dick Cheney shoot Michelle Malkin in the face??? Soon, perhaps?

Posted by: Peter Everts on May 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

"There is just one problem with this theory. Nobody has bothered to look up data for the control group."

If that is so, how do you know there is "nothing to see here."

Most people are merely pointing out that it looks suspicious.

You have done nothing to refute that.

Posted by: Blake on May 29, 2009 at 6:40 PM | PERMALINK

I can't help but think the decision to dump dealerships was bolstered by the fact that they are predominantly republican, and I'd guess the real story is what criteria was used to save certain dealerships from being dumped. Is that a conspiracy theory? It beats the idiotic claim this admin had no idea this would disproportionately impact Republican donors when the decision was made to go ahead with the closings. You libs brag about how clever you are, then feign innocence when the dot to dot lines start revealing your self-serving motives. Where are those promised jobs?

Posted by: Russell Steen on May 29, 2009 at 6:55 PM | PERMALINK

You know what I find funny about all this....is that finding out that 80%- 85% of dealers donated to the GOP, but wasn't the GOP in the beginning telling the Obama Admin not to bailout GM and Chrysler?

Now the people on the right are thinks it's a conspiracy that a lot of dealers that donated to their party is being closed. What do they think happens when a company files for bankruptcy?

I am wondering if the GOP is wishing that they didn't campaign so hard on that don't bailout GM or Chrysler knowing now that a huge chuck of them donated to their party. lolololol

Posted by: Cee Cee on May 29, 2009 at 9:52 PM | PERMALINK

How many of you remember Chrysler in the same place c. 1978. Six dollar shares and a gov't. bailout - not like we haven't been here before. I like the above option to point and laugh at anyone who even utters a silly thing such as this M. Bachmann moment of madness! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on June 11, 2009 at 10:24 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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