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May 31, 2009

GEORGE TILLER ASSASSINATED.... George Tiller, a Wichita physician, was assassinated this morning while attending church serves in Kansas.

Tiller, 67, was shot just after 10 a.m. at Reformation Lutheran Church at 7601 E. 13th, where he was a member of the congregation. Witnesses and a police source confirmed Tiller was the victim.

No information has been released about whether a suspect is in custody. Police said they are looking for white male who was driving a 1990s powder blue Ford Taurus with Kansas license plate 225 BAB. [...]

Tiller has long been a focal point of protest by abortion opponents because his clinic, Women's Health Care Services at 5701 E. Kellogg, is one of the few in the country where late-term abortions are performed.

Tiller has long been a target for right-wing criticism, and had been shot before. His medical clinic, a constant target, had been vandalized earlier this month.

As Amanda Marcotte recently noted, "[Tiller] is one of the two doctors in the country that specializes in the very small percentage of abortions performed late in pregnancy (but before viability) done for health reasons, usually because the pregnancy is a danger to a woman's health or life, or because the fetus is dead or dying.... He's been shot in both arms, stalked by the attorney general's office under Phill Kline ... and charged with the crime of performing a bunch of illegal abortions, for which he was acquitted."

I emphasize this because it's a point that may go overlooked in much of the media coverage -- Tiller performed therapeutic abortions for women who wanted children.

Tiller, in other words, worked past the constant threats of violence to provide a service to women that few would. Today, he was apparently murdered for his efforts.

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Ah, I hoped the flock would get my message when I said we had no way of changing the culture politically. Things are going even better than I expected.

Posted by: James Dobson on May 31, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

so much for the right's argument that the memo on right-wing domestic terrorists was inappropriate. a sad day for the Tiller family, obviously, but also for womens' health generally.

if one is inclined to believe in things deistic at all, one surely must assume (or in moments like these, at least hope) there is a particularly nasty place in hell for "pro-life" "Christians" who commit murder in a church.

Posted by: zeitgeist on May 31, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Remember everyone: fetuses have the right to life; adults do not.

This is absolutely disgusting. I feel sick.

Posted by: Rabi on May 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM | PERMALINK

No doubt he was killed by someone holding "pro-life" views.

Posted by: Monty on May 31, 2009 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Different from jihadists, how?

Posted by: MissMudd on May 31, 2009 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

Try to see if any journalist in the mainstream media uses the words "right wing" in their reporting. Let alone "extremist".

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla on May 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

Sickening. I will take back every angry remark I've made about Obama's handling of the internment/torture issue if the government catches the shooter and then sends him down to Gitmo to be waterboarded. Once he's confessed to a conspiracy with the entire leadership of Operation Rescue to engage in domestic terrorism, we can round up Randall Terry and his whole stinking fetus-cult and be rid of them once and for all.

Posted by: Alan on May 31, 2009 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

FWIW... I've seen nothing to confirm that the assailant was a pro-lifer. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way, but until we know more, I'm going to withhold judgment.

Posted by: beep52 on May 31, 2009 at 2:46 PM | PERMALINK

I'm sure that the shooter in this case has a clean conscience, likely believing that he was avenging a serial murderer. I'm just as sure that the radical Islamists who took part in the stoning to death of disobedient women are at peace in the sincere belief that they were meting out divine justice to wicked whores who had willfully insulted God, Himself. I don't see a great deal of difference.

How do we accommodate that kind of zealotry in a putatively free and pluralistic society? It's clear that those of us who don’t share their beliefs will always be at the mercy of the truly committed believers.
. . . jim strain

Posted by: Jim Strain on May 31, 2009 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, right, no "domestic terrorism" to see here, folks, move along...

Any bets on how long it will take for the RW Noise machine to get enormously incensed over the "slurs" tossed the way of "decent Christian Americans" if anyone should dare suggest that decades of obsessive anti-abortion rhetoric by religious nutcases just MIGHT have, or had SOME negative effect? (My guess, tomorrow)

Or for Rush Limbaugh/Michael Savage/Glenn Beck to start squawking about how this is all exaggerated hysteria ginned up in support of some Sinister Plan by the Obama Administration to round up Decent Pro-Life Christian Americans and toss them into "re-education camps" until they all turn gay/convert to Islam/join the Obamajugend - or all three?

Posted by: Jay C on May 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

What was it that Pete Sessions (R-Of Course) said? Ah yes: the right is going to adopt the Taliban's methods.

Posted by: citizen of fascistan on May 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

Connect the dots: Obama - a pro-choice president; Sotomayor - a pro-choice justice soon to be on the Supreme Court. An unbalanced pro-life person goes berzerk and murders a doctor who provides abortion.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Sheridan on May 31, 2009 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Shouldn't the references to the victim read "Dr. Tiller", rather than "Tiller"?

Posted by: William E. Elston on May 31, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Kansas doctor George Tiller killed today!
WICHITA, Kansas - Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion. His clinic has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. He was acquitted in March of misdemeanor charges stemming from procedures he performed, but moments after the verdict the states medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that are nearly identical to those the jury had rejected.
The video from the scene:Dr. George Tiller-video


Posted by: aberton on May 31, 2009 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

I don't know if I'm more sad or more angry. But I just donated to Planned Parenthood, 'cause I couldn't think of a better middle finger to raise in response.

Oh hey, it looks like anger's winning.

Posted by: YooHooligan on May 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Condolences to Dr. Tiller and family. So far more sad than angry. Religious extremism is appalling in all its forms. Donating to Medical Doctors for Choice hasn't helped my mood be less black after hearing about the latest atrocity. I will call it the latest religious extremist atrocity as I hope that the majority of pro-lifers (not all of whom are irrational extremists) are as appalled as I am.

Posted by: Kris on May 31, 2009 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

Re previous post: to Medical STUDENTS for Choice, in case anyone else is interested.

Posted by: Kris on May 31, 2009 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin refused to condemn anti-abortion terrorism during October 2008 interview with NBC's Brian Williams:

WILLIAMS: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist, under this definition, governor?

PALIN: (Sigh). There's no question that Bill Ayers via his own admittance was one who sought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There's no question there. Now, others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that uh, it would be unacceptable. I don't know if you're going to use the word terrorist there.

Posted by: AngryOne on May 31, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Donate to Planned Parenthood in his honor.

And spread the word.

Posted by: Donate to Planned Parenthood on May 31, 2009 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

This attack like any other assassination is terrorism, plain and simple. The right wing's conniption over the Justice Dept. report on right wing extremism is just an example of their acceptance and coddling of terrorism and terrorists.

Posted by: kriz_riktr on May 31, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Nothing spells, "L-I-F-E" like "A-S-S-A-S-S-I-N."
If this criminal is so righteous, then why did he/she run away?
F-ing coward.

Posted by: Jon Karak on May 31, 2009 at 4:13 PM | PERMALINK

not sure why he ran away, Jon, but the word is that a suspect is now in custody. News conference at 4:00 central. See kansas.com.

Posted by: zeitgeist on May 31, 2009 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

To borrow from a common VN era slogan, it's time to bring the War on Terrorism home.

Posted by: Disputo on May 31, 2009 at 4:26 PM | PERMALINK

I'd bet my next paycheck that the wingers will come up with any number of conspiracy theories and justifications centering around Obama by tomorrow at the latest.

Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on May 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

I like the suggestion of donating to Planned Parenthood. In memory of Dr. Tiller, and the lives and reproductive organs of women wanting to be able to have healthy babies.

Posted by: DougW on May 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM | PERMALINK

This is what happens when you don't call scum what it is. When you don't ostracize the wicked, when you bend over backwards to give it the benefit of the doubt, you end up allowing filth like this to fester and thrive.

People think I'm a caustic, obnoxious ass. Well, if everyone did their job to call out wickedness, shalowness, to put this sewage in it's place, then I wouldn't have to be. We evolved to feel anger and hatred for a reason. Anger and hatred are not our enemies, only unjustified anger and misguided hatred are a a real problem.

Posted by: soullite on May 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM | PERMALINK

Dennis-SGMM @ 5:00 -- You've sold them short. The filth over at Free Republic are already aflame with theories that Obama had Dr. Tiller murdered to help Judge Sotomayor win confirmation.

Posted by: Alan on May 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK

Btw, I'm taking bets on when the first bombing of a federal building will occur.

Posted by: Disputo on May 31, 2009 at 5:07 PM | PERMALINK

alan, same at gatewaypundit. Some called the killer a hero. Gary the owner, is working hard at disposing some of the most vile comments but he can't keep up. One can only imagine why since he's the biggest zealot on the tube.

And what a surprise: the killer was a white male.

Posted by: MissMudd on May 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if the killer was one of those who stocked up on ammo and weaponry because he was convinced that Obama would take away his guns...

Posted by: jcricket on May 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

From GP:

"Shocked? Whats shocking is - that this man stepped foot inside the house of God. Shocked, that this said church, allowed one of it's members, to attend the praise and worshiping of God, fully aware that he was a practicing sinner. I am sure, and the majority will agree, that Tiller himself, was not shocked when death approached, nor shocked as to why his life - would end prematurely.
Eye's Wide Open | 05.31.09 - 4:42 pm |"

Posted by: MissMudd on May 31, 2009 at 5:36 PM | PERMALINK

What about that right wing terrorist report, you remember the one about the right wing Limbaugh & Beck saying Obama was going to take away guns, which prompted one loser to go on a killing spree. Oh yes I remember the right wing pressured Obama not to release it!

Posted by: JS on May 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

It is a sad day indeed now that the doctor has met his maker. There are even sadder days ahead for the children who continue to die because of therapy.

Posted by: pippo on May 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM | PERMALINK

"There are even sadder days ahead for the children who continue to die because of therapy."

Therapy?? What the hell does that have to do with abortion, pray tell?

Posted by: MissMudd on May 31, 2009 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

Looks like the right wing's mental abortions have finally gotten their talking points.

Posted by: ... on May 31, 2009 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

Therapy?? What the hell does that have to do with abortion, pray tell?

pippo is confusing the medical term "therapeutic abortion" with the term "therapy," because he or she is dumber than a fence post.

Posted by: pippo doesn't pass on May 31, 2009 at 6:08 PM | PERMALINK

"Tiller performed therapeutic abortions for women who wanted children."
is just kind of silly wording don't you think? sure they wanted children, just not this one b/c it wasn't perfect so they reserve the right to kill it.

Posted by: mb on May 31, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Go fuck yourself, mb.

After you read this.

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2046/

You have no idea of the circumstances.

Posted by: jharp on May 31, 2009 at 6:10 PM | PERMALINK

MissMudd, I think pippo does not understand the use of the word 'theraputic' while describing the type of pregnancy termination that Dr. Tiller specialized in. Pippo, like other pro-lifers bent on histrionics, won't admit the fact that sometimes pregnancies go so badly that one or both of the participants are going to die if not terminated. These pregancies are late term because the babies are wanted. The mothers are looking forward to their children. But we are frail bio-machines. Sometimes things go horribly, irreparably, wrong. Sometimes heartbreaking decisions have to be made.

Pippo is another RW ignorant ass who thinks the world should revolve around his/her VERY limited understanding of reality.

Posted by: jcricket on May 31, 2009 at 6:14 PM | PERMALINK

IF this act was truly committed by a "Christian" in the name of God...it is terrorism.

And I would place much of the blame at the feet of those who broadcast this form of hate & fear on the public airwaves... and those who do the same in their churches. They have incited acts of terrorism in the name of God.

Posted by: Evergreen2U on May 31, 2009 at 6:19 PM | PERMALINK

Go fuck yourself mb, you jackass. I used to work for Dr. Tiller, when I first graduated from college at WSU. Three years before I held that job, my sister was pregnant with a doomed fetus and had a late term abortion rather than take the risk of continuing the pregnancy for a fetus that had no chance at life outside the womb, and she had a three year old at home. Intrauterine fetal death kills women. Period. Full stop.

Google DIC and intrauterine death and be horrified, you cretin.

Posted by: AnonyMs on May 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM | PERMALINK

This is terror, pure and simple.

I hope they catch this terrorist and send him to Gitmo.

Unless, of course, he was just screwing the guys wife, or whatever.

Posted by: Impeach Jay Bybee on May 31, 2009 at 6:25 PM | PERMALINK

The whole boutique coloring of this so-called late-term abortion non-issue makes me ill. Hadn't heard this newest twist 'til now.

Here's something you can blog about, pippo. I'm not just pro-choice, I'm PRO-ABORTION. I'm tired of the watering down and the splitting of hairs when it comes to defending women. I don't give a damn when she wants to abort or for what reason. It's none of my business or yours, just like it's none of my business that you get a vasectomy or use viagra.

With that, you can kiss my ass. Right here X

Posted by: MissMudd on May 31, 2009 at 6:26 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, pippo, how do you know ANY of the aborted fetuses were viable, huh?

The whole idea of "partial birth abortion" is a shibboleth designed to whip up wrath at a practice that has NEVER been shown to end the life of a fetus who could survive outside the womb.

Go suck an egg.

I wonder what YOU would think if your life was endangered by a dead piece of tissue inside your abdomen and you could not find a doctor to remove it.

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on May 31, 2009 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

If I were the other guy I would be requesting police protection. No one in the entire country has as much skill as one man in doing this particular something that actually saves a life.

Posted by: MNPundit on May 31, 2009 at 6:34 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, I'm a little tired of taking care to have a civilized discussion when the Right is out murdering people. This is how the Nazis took over: the educated, democratic citizens of a civilized nation debated, and the Brown Shirts smashed things.

He wasn't "apparently murdered for his efforts." He was murdered, and the Right approves of it, from hesitantly to vociferously.

The Right are the Enemy, and they must be destroyed.

Posted by: bleh on May 31, 2009 at 6:41 PM | PERMALINK

Alan @ 2:38:

I will take back every angry remark I've made about Obama's handling of the internment/torture issue if the government catches the shooter and then sends him down to Gitmo to be waterboarded. Once he's confessed to a conspiracy with the entire leadership of Operation Rescue to engage in domestic terrorism, we can round up Randall Terry and his whole stinking fetus-cult and be rid of them once and for all.

Don't let your anger give precedence to your rightwing lizard brain. Torture doesn't work.
Just ask McCain. They broke him, and St. John cried out exactly what they wanted to hear:

After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession". He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."

Posted by: koreyel on May 31, 2009 at 6:49 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder what YOU would think if your life was endangered by a dead piece of tissue inside your abdomen and you could not find a doctor to remove it.

...not because plenty of other doctors lack the basic desire to save lives women's lives in these instances, but because the fucking "Christian" right terrorizes, threatens and murders them if they try it.

Posted by: pippo and mb don't pass on May 31, 2009 at 6:58 PM | PERMALINK

This is the fifth Republican act of terrorism in the last year, beginning in July 2008. Remind me again that we haven't had acts of terrorism since 2001. Bullshit. That hate speech is making life mighty uncomfortable for the law-abiding. Beck advocates tax dodging. O'Reilly rants against Tiller. Beck implies that guns will be taken away. G. Gordon conflates a New Yorker chosen to sit on the Supreme Court with an illegal alien. Limbaugh implores open revolt against the government. It is time to arrest domestic terrorists. Start with Cheney, end with Beck.

Posted by: Sparko on May 31, 2009 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

why was my comment deleted? there was nothing wrong with it- i stated the murder of Tiller was wrong and deserved the full punishment of the law and then remarked that I thought Benen's wording was oddly paradoxical. and unlike other people on here, I don't resort to name calling and swearing.

everything I said was perfectly legitimate and accurate with no malice towards anyone. the laws of this country allow the parents to abort their clump of cells/tissue/fetus/baby/human being (depending on your definition and understanding of biology) if the child is deemed to be undesirable for many reasons (even if the undesirable trait is still compatible with life).

i really don't understand how that merits deletion and an expletive attack.

Posted by: mb on May 31, 2009 at 6:59 PM | PERMALINK

There are other countries where 28 percent of the people aren't this hopelessly insane, right?

Posted by: shortstop on May 31, 2009 at 7:02 PM | PERMALINK

everything I said was perfectly legitimate and accurate with no malice towards anyone.

Oh fuck that noise, mb. Your comment about aborting a baby because it was not perfect was definitely malicious and definitely offensive.

All shit stinks and should be flushed or scooped, as your comment rightly was.

Asshat.

Posted by: jcricket on May 31, 2009 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK

i really don't understand how that merits deletion and an expletive attack.

Well, I don't agree with the mod's choice to delete you, but goddamn, you deserved the expletive attack. "Therapeutic abortion" means an abortion that is performed for medical reasons. Tiller's patients were women who wanted to complete their pregnancies, but whose fetuses had horrendous defects that would ensure their own deaths and, in many cases, the women's.

Try to imagine the pain that a family experiences when it learns that the expected child has, for example, a brain developing outside the skull -- by the way, Tiller's clinic also provided grief and counseling services -- compare it to your own unbelievably callous comment about his patients aborting because "their children weren't perfect," and hang your head in shame, you fucking piece of excrement.

Posted by: shortstop on May 31, 2009 at 7:10 PM | PERMALINK

how is that offensive jcricket?
that's the law of the land as it is currently understood/interpreted. that right has been enumerated from our constitution. i can't state the law of the land in Benen's comments page?

what about that is inaccurate?

Posted by: mb on May 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM | PERMALINK

"how is that offensive jcricket?"

Your post, mb.

"is just kind of silly wording don't you think? sure they wanted children, just not this one b/c it wasn't perfect so they reserve the right to kill it."

Let me guess. You call yourself a Christian. And post something so misleading it could be called a lie. And then some nut who believes this propaganda goes and KILLS Dr. Tiller.

The same Dr. Tiller who saves lives.

Fuck you. And fuck the rest of your ilk.

Posted by: jharp on May 31, 2009 at 7:21 PM | PERMALINK

When I saw the headline on Yahoo that an abortion doctor had been assassinated in Kansas, I immediately thought about the God Hates Fags people. But then I figured that even they don't resort to murder.

Posted by: Peter on May 31, 2009 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

On the news announcement that I saw there were the requisite protestations of outrage by the right wing including Kline and some of the spokespeople for the outfits that post the addresses and names and schools of the children of doctors who perform abortions. Somehow I don't believe that they are sincere. The proof will be when the perpetrator is brought up on 1st degree murder charges. Then we can see what these christian Talebanes really feel.

Posted by: Texas Aggie on May 31, 2009 at 7:25 PM | PERMALINK

mb, you complained about silly wording, and then proceeded to state that woman will undergo a late-term abortion simply because her fetus "wasn't perfect".

Putting aside the issue of what merits deletion, do you see any irony/ignorance in your post?

Posted by: Dwight on May 31, 2009 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK

Norris Hall, let me say this very slowly for you. A neighbor's kid is a person. A fetus is not-yet a person. Dr. Tiller SAVED mothers' lives (you know, fully breathing humans), but, apparently, that doesn't matter to you one whit because life ends at birth, doesn't it?

mb, your comment is a strawman argument. Dr. Tiller helped women whose lives were in danger and women who were raped and didn't have earlier access to care.

In addition, I find it interesting, well, rather, disgusting that so many on the right seem to think that a woman should be forced to have a kid as some kind of punishment for her perceived bad behavior or whatever reason. It tells me what the right actually thinks of having children.

Posted by: asiangrrlMN on May 31, 2009 at 7:47 PM | PERMALINK

For all the hoopla posted on this blog and others about the demise of the American right, you have just witnessed one reason why it is never going away. Simply put, they are willing to kill if that is what it takes to advance their views.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on May 31, 2009 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

koreyel at 6:49 -- Don't let your anger give precedence to your rightwing lizard brain. Torture doesn't work.

Don't be silly, koreyel. Of course, torture works if all you want is a coerced confession. Certainly, our right wing friends don't mind torture being used to coerce false confessions if doing so can help "protect us from terrorists," so why should we? Torture the assassin, get him to confess that he was conspiring with Operation Rescue to engage in domestic terrorism and round up the whole fetus-cult at once.

Posted by: Alan on May 31, 2009 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK

what about that is inaccurate?

Everything.

Try again. Do better research. Your description was neither precise nor accurate.

Posted by: gwangung on May 31, 2009 at 7:50 PM | PERMALINK

When I first went to work for Dr. Tiller, I got a lot of flack from people who sounded a lot like mb. Then the tragedy that was the short, sad life of Steven Brown was all over the Wichita Eagle and they shut the hell up.

What would have been better, mb? That the 'imperfect' child be aborted, or locked in a room and ignored to death then encased in a concrete block and kept on the back porch?

You and your ilk make me sick. Fuck off and die, asshat.

Posted by: AnonyMs on May 31, 2009 at 7:51 PM | PERMALINK

What would have been better, mb?

Obviously they want the mother to bring the "imperfect"child to term, either to die immediately (causing the parents immense emotional pain) or to live a short, stunted life, racked with immense physical pain (not to mention more emotional pain for the parents and probable financial ruin for them if they don't have perfect health care insurance)(or even if they did, they'd probably have to deal with some faceless private sector bureaucrat questioning the 'necessity' of these medical moves).

Posted by: gwangung on May 31, 2009 at 7:59 PM | PERMALINK

to asiangrllMN: you really think Dr. Tiller only performed late term abortions on un-viable fetuses or with a threat to the life of the mother? you don't think you're being simplistic and naive?

to gwangung: all you have to do is say what part of my characterization of the abortion law in this country was untrue. but you can't b/c it was true. it is legal in this country to abort/terminate/kill a fetus/baby/human if it has imperfect qualities that are still compatible with life (down's, extra limbs, etc)

to AnonyMs: i don't know how or why you got to the subject of this steven brown character. judging by your comparison, he locked up a down's syndrome child and then killed him/her. then you draw the conclusion that the child would have been better off it had just been killed sooner. thats nice. i feel differently.

this is my last comment. don't bother cursing me.

Posted by: mb on May 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

one of the things that has me righteously angry about the murder of dr. tiller because he was deemed insufficiently "pro-life" is that the "pro-life leaders" are going to spin this around and declare that any criticism of them is unfair because they did too say they were sorry dr. tiller was murdered. even if they did have their fingers crossed behind their backs. they will be claiming that they are the real victims here.

just watch and see if they don't.

p.s.: mb -- you are a nasty little halfwit. your mother should be embarrassed to have spawned such a creature as you.

.

Posted by: karen marie on May 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM | PERMALINK

this is my last comment. don't bother cursing me.

Oh, there's no need to curse you. Clearly, God already has.

Posted by: TR on May 31, 2009 at 8:08 PM | PERMALINK

Domestic terrorists strike again. I doubt the person who killed George Tiller did it randomly. Nor do I think he was perhaps upset with Dr. Tiller because Dr. Tiller hit his mailbox accidently. This murder was most likely carried out by someone who violently disagreed with Dr. Tillers work and beliefs. A terrorist. Appears it was a home grown one too. Go here to see charmer Randall Terry's comments. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/31/randall-terry-operation-r_n_209531.html. A sad day for all. And not what the majority of those who oppose abortion would in any way support or want. Very detrimental to their cause. They are mostly thinking compassionate people, just like those on the pro-choice side. But then there's Randall Terry and other very vocal evil people like him.

Posted by: lisaintexas on May 31, 2009 at 8:25 PM | PERMALINK

As I said before folks, lets stop the invective and just start donating like crazy to Planned Parenthood. You can't argue with these ass hats, so, just, get even.

Lets make sure that Kansas will not be without health providers for the women that need it.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I can think of nothing that will serve our position better than funding womens' reproductive health care. Especially in the sad state of Kansas.

Posted by: DougW on May 31, 2009 at 8:55 PM | PERMALINK

I just donated $100 to Planned Parenthood in mb's name.

Posted by: TR on May 31, 2009 at 8:57 PM | PERMALINK

I expect the Fox, MSNBC, CNN stations and wapo and nyt will be filled tomorrow with inquiries of the major Republican leadership Boehner,McConnell in Congress and of course Steele and Rush and Cheney if they denounce such terrorist acts on American soil.

Yeah me neither.

Posted by: paulo on May 31, 2009 at 9:10 PM | PERMALINK

This was not so much an assassination, as an act of terrorism.

Only question is will we send this homegrown terrorist to Gitmo?

Posted by: effluvientOne on May 31, 2009 at 9:35 PM | PERMALINK

We'll see if the right wing starts decrying the "terrorist pro-life movement" the same way they do the "Monkey-Wrench Gang environmentalists".

Despite the fact that liberals find it rather easy to find it on the no-fly list, the overwhelming evidence suggest that it is in fact people on the right who are the most dangerous in this country.

Posted by: Matt F on May 31, 2009 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

The troll leaves and the thread dies. Pity.

Posted by: dr sardonicus on May 31, 2009 at 9:49 PM | PERMALINK

How is this different from terrorism?

The right-wing jihadists will applaud this murder in the name of their fuckingly ugly "Christian principles".

Makes ME sick. Of course the Fetus Fanatics will be dancing in the streets. That's what they do when one of their own murders for Christ. No different from the jihadists, as someone else pointed out.

Posted by: dejah on May 31, 2009 at 10:47 PM | PERMALINK

Can't both sides present their arguments rationally without profanity and invective? Telling mb to f--- him/herself only fans the flames of hatred.

Posted by: Tripp on May 31, 2009 at 10:57 PM | PERMALINK

Did Dr. Dobson really make the first post? That is truly sickening. Apparently the suspect has ties to Operation Rescue and a history of previous violence. I am so very sad about the murder/assasination of Dr. Tiller. The things people do in the name of religion makes me sick.

Posted by: pattywagn on May 31, 2009 at 11:18 PM | PERMALINK

"How is this different from terrorism?"

It's not. It is terrorism.
It's been 11 years since the last abortion provider was murdered -- but there have certainly been many attempts, plenty successful, and other acts of terrorism.
I believe that there have been 7 murders and roughly 50 bombings attributed to
pro-life perpetrators. By my reckoning, that puts them in the top three
most-deadly practitioners of terrorism of the last 20 years within the U.S., behind
only Al Qaeda and Timothy McVeigh in numbers of victims -- but in first place
in total number of deadly attacks.

Posted by: twc on May 31, 2009 at 11:44 PM | PERMALINK

you really think Dr. Tiller only performed late term abortions on un-viable fetuses or with a threat to the life of the mother? you don't think you're being simplistic and naive?

If it's so naive, then why don't you provide some examples to back up your allegation? Oh, wait, you ran away. Good riddance.
p.s. It's legal to perform abortions after viability if there's a threat to the life of the mother. Do you think that husbands should be forced to let their wives die? Do you think that should be the government's decision?
Just wonderin' in case you're still lurkin', like most cowardly trolls.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 1, 2009 at 12:00 AM | PERMALINK

In case anyone thinks the religious community is monolithically anti-abortion, it's not so...

http://www.rcrc.org

Looks like the pro-choice side has another martyr. Why is it that conservatives are never the targets of religious violence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_Church_Shooting

Posted by: KTinOhio on June 1, 2009 at 12:01 AM | PERMALINK

The assassination of Dr. Tiller is fundamentalist Christian terrorism in the U.S.

Posted by: DennisR on June 1, 2009 at 12:03 AM | PERMALINK

"The troll leaves and the thread dies. Pity."

Well, it's no fun unless there's a troll around to verbally castigate, mock or abuse. Otherwise, more than half the time as it is, we're all just preaching to the choir. Trolls exist to provide us opportunity prove our moral superiority over those who advocate on behalf of empire.

Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on June 1, 2009 at 12:07 AM | PERMALINK

This is such a disgusting act, it sickens me even to think of it.
Men cannot give birth to children, and by the force of nature-- never will. Women have a right to control their bodies and that doctor who was "consulted" to help some woman who for her private reasons, needed an abortion is killed in church tells us all that the 'uncivilized' still lives among. Please return to the caves!!

Posted by: Edgar on June 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM | PERMALINK

Religion vs. America, once again.

Posted by: jlove on June 1, 2009 at 12:33 AM | PERMALINK

The anti abortion taliban has been driven by Dodson and his ilk for so long at this point in time isn't the pressing question why do laws exist that specifically criminalize women?

Why are they not unconstitutional? Under whose orders were they issued?

Do men have any similar sanction of criminalization for creating the situation out of which abortion has to be considered?

Why are men the leaders of this abortion criminalization enforcement?

It is out of the middle ages.

Posted by: Eleanor on June 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM | PERMALINK

Nothing to add here, other than I am sad/angry, like many of the other posters, and I just donated $100 to PP in Dr. Tiller's name.

Posted by: Kris on June 1, 2009 at 2:03 AM | PERMALINK

Spoke too soon, apparently...

Posted by: dr sardonicus on June 1, 2009 at 3:52 AM | PERMALINK

Why does it always seem to be the conservatives who resort to violence? And why do the vast majority of conservative, pro-life posts read like crazy talk?

Posted by: chrenson on June 1, 2009 at 5:05 AM | PERMALINK

Go fuck yourself, Arthur.

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Posted by: MissMudd on June 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM | PERMALINK

Why does it always seem to be the conservatives who resort to violence? And why do the vast majority of conservative, pro-life posts read like crazy talk?

Because they are all anencephalics whose mothers refused to abort them.

Explains a lot, doesn't it?

Posted by: Disputo on June 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM | PERMALINK

Thank you Mr. B.

Seems the crazies won't be able to control themselves right now so the more they expose themselves, the better. Bust them all!

Posted by: MissMudd on June 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM | PERMALINK

Arthur is deluded. Dr. Tiller actually took over his father's practice and was shocked to learn that his dad had been performing clandestine abortions for years because he believed in a woman's right to choose. Dr. Tiller's practice adapted with diagnostic technology.

Someone somewhere mentioned the happy, healthy children who came after a TAB situation presented. In my life, it is my nephew. His name is Ted and he graduated from college last month.

Posted by: AnonyMs on June 1, 2009 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINK

So. The murder of George Tiller in front of his wife and friends was committed by, according to your quote, a "good man".

Very pro-life of you, Mark.

Posted by: Jor-El Six-Pack on June 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM | PERMALINK

Dave: Pains are taken to dehumanize the fetus and rationalize the act with euphemism.

Dave, it seems to me that greater pains are being taken to ultra-humanize the fetus with phrases like "baby killer," etc.

And, furthermore, currently in the US it is perfectly legal to terminate a pregnancy [kill an unborn baby]. It is not legal to terminate the life of a full-grown adult.

Posted by: chrenson on June 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

Nice to see that freedom of expression does not exist here....

Posted by: Mark on June 2, 2009 at 6:58 AM | PERMALINK

ugg australia

Posted by: lijason on June 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM | PERMALINK

ugg australia

Posted by: lijason on June 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM | PERMALINK

Bottom line; Tiller was a killer. You live by the "sword" you die by the "sword."

I have no sympathy for money grubbing doctors acting like they are doing something good for people (women) but they are no better than a televagelist ripping off widows and orphans for their last cent!

You "Pro choice/death" people are such hypocrites - never seeing the forest because of the tree of your selfishness. Why don't you shed a tear for the children torn to shreds by this man's seared conscience.

Posted by: Javi on June 2, 2009 at 4:35 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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