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June 2, 2009

SANTORUM'S ADVICE.... Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R) of Pennsylvania/Virginia may have been roundly rejected by his constituents in 2006, but he's still able to voice his thoughts at a variety of news outlets. This week, Santorum seems to be in an advice-giving mood.

Today, for example, Santorum has an item for the Politico, advising Senate Republicans on how to approach the Sonia Sotomayor nomination. The advice isn't very good.

More laughable, however, is Santorum's dating advice for the president and his wife. Alex Koppelman posted this transcript from Santorum's appearance last night on Fox News, where the First Couple's date night over the weekend is a matter of great interest.

"Number one, I think it's great that the president has a date night with his wife. He's a role model. He's a role model in particular, whether he likes it or not, in the African-American community.

"And you have an African-American community, particularly in the poor inner city areas, we're looking at out of wedlock birthrates in three quarters to 75 percent [sic] of children being born out of wedlock. Marriage is an institution that's a bridge too far for too many African-American woman and is not desirable among African-American males.

"Here we have a president of the United States who says that marriage is cool. You have respect for your wife, and you treat her with the respect and dignity that she deserves. And she is part of this team. And it's not just part of professional team, but it's also part of a personal, romantic team. I think that's all great. So I think it's important that he keeps having his date night.

"I think he has to realize that flying to New York is self-indulgent. Go down to the corner bar and have a drink, a shot and a beer. It does not matter where you go with your wife, is that it's with your wife. That's really the point... I would make the argument, the simpler the date, the more normal it is.... [I]t is mundane that really makes the marriage special, but because you are with your wife the mundane isn't mundane. It's special."

I'm not sure which part of this is the most ridiculous -- Santorum's condescending attitude, his errors about African-American families, his apparent belief that he's qualified to give dating advice to the president, or the fact that this discredited former senator continues to be a fixture at major news outlets.

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Go down to the corner bar and have a drink, a shot and a beer.

'Cause nothing says family values like a shot and a beer at the local dive.

Posted by: Danp on June 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Rick Santorum, whether he likes it or not, is a credit to our group.

Posted by: M4Dogs on June 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

For my money, it's the shot and a beer part that's the most ridiculous. Dude took his wife to Broadway and Sanctimonium says he should be getting her loaded instead?

Posted by: Chocolate Thunder on June 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

It does not matter where you go with your wife, is that it's with your wife... I would make the argument, the simpler the date, the more normal it is.... [I]t is mundane that really makes the marriage special, but because you are with your wife the mundane isn't mundane.

I know he's married, but has Rick Santorum ever been on a date? I'm no Don Juan, but this is not the advice or attitude toward dating that I would give anyone, especially a married person, if they ever plan to actually have sex with their date/spouse. Indeed, it may be the worst dating advice I have ever seen.

Posted by: brent on June 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM | PERMALINK

"forget your wife, Take your dog out and get loaded with her. It helps with the mood."

-Rick "man on dog" Santorum

Posted by: Sick Rantorum on June 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

You have to remember that Santorum met his wife at the frathouse, so that was all his dating consisted of.

Posted by: DR on June 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

"I'm not going to tell you how to take your spouse out for a date, but here's how you should take your spouse out for a date."

Posted by: Anne on June 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

Thank you chocolate thunder CHOCOLATE RAIIIIIN, I'm sorry, that was involuntary, anyway, that's exactly what I was thinking. Go have a drink, a shot, and a beer, so you'll stand a chance of being able to put up with your wife for an evening, is how I thought of it. Also, "it does not matter where you go with your wife", as long as it is right outside your house.

Posted by: jibeaux on June 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

I saw this elswhere and thought the "shot and a beer" was some snark from a reader. I can't believe that's the actual quote.

How incredibly condescending the whole thing is. Santorum obviously views the entire AA community as poor, ignorant disfunctional folks. Way to gain voters.

and I'm sorry - flying to New York to see a show is "indulgent"? Nice way to boost up Broadway ticket sales, I'm sure the Producers' League are thanking Mr. Santorum.

Posted by: g on June 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, if there was ever a "shot and beer at the corner bar" guy, it's Rick Santorum. Truly a man of the people.

Posted by: Run Up The Score on June 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

Clearly self-indulgent to fly to New York for just a single evening.

He should fly to Texas and take a month off.

Posted by: Django on June 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe, Mr. President, you could take your wife to a BBQ place for some fried chicken and watermelon. I hear you people like that stuff.

Oh, and then maybe could buy some Thunderbird and drink it out of paperbags on the White House lawn.

(Jeez, why was I voted out, again?)"

Posted by: rob! on June 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

I am tired of sharing this country with the Santorums of the world. Can't we ship them to the Falklands?!

Posted by: ted on June 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

... or is it the part where he thinks that 3/4 and 75% are DIFFERENT THINGS?

Posted by: FreeProton on June 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

How come no one asks me for my dating advice?

Posted by: Bill Clinton on June 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

Hey, at least he didn't advise the President to cop a 40. Remember O'Reilly's "Get me some M.F.ing ice tea"?

Santorem shouold stick to what he knows, like bringing home mis-carried fetuses for the family to enjoy.

Posted by: BuzzMon on June 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

Here we have a president of the United States who says that marriage is cool.

Too bad McCain lost. He says marriage is so cool he jumped into it TWICE.

Posted by: Tea Bagger Jones on June 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

I think it says a lot about Santorum's home life that he thinks taking your wife to the corner bar for a shot and a beer is a romantic evening.

Posted by: Kris on June 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK

Definately a little indulgent of the Obama's to take in a Broadway show, I mean, geez who does he think he is, a bigshot or something? Maybe Ricky would be more comfortable if they grabbed a bottle of Ripple and headed for the Bowery!

Posted by: luvdogs on June 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

How many wives would feel that "a shot and a beer" make for a special date night? Ricky could sit at home in his underwear and do that. Rather, the President should keep the promise he made to his wife (get that, Mr. Promise-Keeper?) and take her to a Broadway show.

I rather doubt Santorum's teetotaling fundy base appreciates the corner bar advice, either. What a maroon.

Posted by: stinger on June 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

First Randall Terry invites reporters to have Guinness and hot wings with him, now Santorum suggests a shot and a beer... I guess GOP stands for Guzzling Old Pricks.

Posted by: bluestatedon on June 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK

Santorem shouold stick to what he knows, like bringing home mis-carried fetuses for the family to enjoy.

I believe that was Frist but its difficult to keep track of all the creepy, busybody, deposed Republicans.

Posted by: brent on June 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM | PERMALINK

I asked my wife about the prospects of a night of revelry at the corner bar as opposed to an evening at a show and nice dinner. I'll give you one guess as to what her reaction was to that suggestion. What are you fucking nuts!

Posted by: Gandalf on June 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

I lived in PA when Santorum was in office, he's an idiot.

What I find interesting is that the only people out there speaking for the republicans are the ones that were voted out of office or never elected to anything at all.

Posted by: fred on June 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK

Look, I know Republicans feel compelled to always negate everything the President says and does. They can't help it, it's in their DNA. But to talk about how he's dating his wife incorrectly? Really?

I hate that stupid sonofabitch Santorum as much as anyone with a properly-acting brain, but I swear the news nets specifically trot him out to say the things no other GOP lickspittle is rock-stupid enough to say.

I remember after 9/11, then "president" Bush was telling Americans to go off and travel, go to Disney World, do whatever they'd normally do. 8 years later, a black man can't take his wife out for a little vacay without Whitey telling him he's doing it wrong, stick to your own town. Might as well say "stick to your own kind."

Posted by: slappy magoo on June 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

I believe the shot-and-a-beer bit was Mr. Santorum's attempt to challenge President Obama's credentials as a Real American who doesn't go to faggy Broadway shows.

Admittedly, telling the chief executive that he's acting too good for average white folks is an easier theme to pull off when you're not also backhandedly praising him for being too good for black folks. But Rick is a master of the frothy mixed message.

Posted by: shortstop on June 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM | PERMALINK

a fixture at major news outlets

Like the towl dispenser, or the toilet?!

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on June 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

"I'm not sure which part..."

You forgot to add "or E: All of the above." I'd pick E.

Posted by: ulrich on June 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

or his short memory of George'ss 77 trips to the ranch riding in Air Force One.

Posted by: beans on June 2, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

Romance = A "shot and a beer". Good Times! After a couple more of those little lady I'll show you just how romantic I can get.

Posted by: rawls on June 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK

I'm surprised Santorum didn't call Obama a credit to his race.

I'm not about to critique the president's dating style. He seems to have done quite well for himself in that arena.

Posted by: KTinOhio on June 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

"three quarters to 75 percent..."

Man, that's some stupid!

Posted by: Doctor Whom on June 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, yeah, that's just exactly my wife's idea of a good date: taking her to the corner for a shot & a beer.

Within 24 hrs I'd be hearing from her divorce attorney.

Posted by: crater on June 2, 2009 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R) of Pennsylvania/Virginia may have been roundly rejected by his constituents in 2006, but he's still able to voice his "thoughts" at a variety of news outlets.

Fixed.

Posted by: doretta on June 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

At least Santorum didn't suggest a night at the Cotton Club. Or maybe a nice minstrel show...?

Posted by: KTinOhio on June 2, 2009 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK

A shot and a beer? Boy, Rickie really knows how to keep a girl happy.

It is absurd, borderline insane, condescending, racist on some level (black people have to be told how to treat women right, which is take them for a shot and beer instead of a lovely dinner and show????). Obama seems to know exactly how to treat his wife: remember that pix of them in the elevator on Inauguration Night, when he'd given her his jacket and their heads were together? Remember all those many pix of G. Bush leaving a plane and ignoring Laura behind him, even when the ramp or ladder was wobbly?

The GOP is truly, utterly without substance. Whatever brains they had have been purged for being occasionally rational. Their comments these days have nothing to do with anything relevant or important to the public forum and debate.

As for the cost of going to NYC? Going to Camp David would cost too. So would going to Crawford, TX.

Posted by: SF on June 2, 2009 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Van Susteren: Senator, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Senator Santorum: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.


Ah, if only Ms. Van Susteren WOULD say such a thing.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on June 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM | PERMALINK

Well, amidst all the stoopid, Santorum did get one thing right: It IS cool how Barack and Michelle are so loveydovey.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on June 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

Please note my correction:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61804-2005Apr17?language=printer

Their child was born premature & died just after birth, per the article.

While my original comment was snark, I regret tyring to lightly cover a tragic event, even if the parent's actions seemed to be weird. My apologies.

Dr, Frist was the one who could diagnose from video & hearsay.

I'm so glad that both Santorum & Frist are no longer in the Senate.

Posted by: BuzzMon on June 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

Having been to the altar three times I'm in a better position than most of you to know what women need on dates.

Most of them probably prefer the dinner and show. But it's not all about them, especially when the husband is paying.

Who wears the pants in liberal marriages? I bet none of you ever tell your children "no" either.

Posted by: Myke K on June 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM | PERMALINK

The dude is hilarious. he had to be going for the laughs, right? i mean this has got to be one of the funniest posts ever on this site. seriously, nobody could be this stupid, could they?

Posted by: mudwall jackson on June 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK

LOL! A shot and a beer at the corner bar.

Obama is a keeper. Santorum rates very high on the ditch him he's freaking boring list.

Posted by: Silver Owl on June 2, 2009 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

I am thinking that his advice on going to the corner bar and having "a drink, a shot, and a beer." is pretty spot on, and works rather well for me on my date nights with my wife.

Posted by: BKP on June 2, 2009 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

I'm just glad he's not my Senator anymore. I'd rather he be writing stupid columns for Politico where he can do much less damage. If he never holds public office again, it'll be too soon.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

So when you've promised your wife a special trip to New York City for a romantic dinner and a Broadway show, you should instead drive down to the corner bar and say, "Surprise! Isn't this way better than what I said we were going to do?"

Apparently Santorum lives in a Carl's Jr. commercial.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM | PERMALINK

I don't think Rick's getting any.

Posted by: rbe1 on June 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

Other than the overall stupid, the first thing that stood out to me was:

... in three quarters to 75 percent

Oh. My. God. The stupid really is something to behold.

I do ask, however, that every single post about Rick Santorum include this photo.

I mean, damn ... that is just too damn good to pass up.

Posted by: Mark D on June 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK

I know I shouldn't, but...

Thanks, Myke, for that excursion into the conservative mind, not that it told us much we didn't already know:

1. The more times you've been married, the more you know about what women "need." 'Cause it's all about quantity, not about success.

2. Whoever's paying should get what they want, because a date is all about what you're getting for your money, not what you're trying to provide. (And I presume you tell your dates up front what you think you're buying, right?)

3. Women are like children, and if you're not giving orders and being obeyed, there's something wrong with you.

Sounds like you and Little Ricky ought to get together on a regular dating advice column...

Posted by: Redshift on June 2, 2009 at 5:11 PM | PERMALINK

Uh, Redshift, Myke K is a parody or satire of Mike K, who is the idiot.

Posted by: Michael W on June 2, 2009 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK

I think soaking the taxpayers of PA for tens of thousands of dollars to pay for your children's "cyber-school" is self-indulgent, but hey, that's just me.

Posted by: kc on June 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM | PERMALINK

What's most ridiculous is that Fox News is considered a major news outlet.

Posted by: KS on June 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM | PERMALINK

But they didn't ask Dick Cheney, who can remember when you used to club your date over the head and drag her by the hair to your cave...

Posted by: dr sardonicus on June 2, 2009 at 8:43 PM | PERMALINK

I wonder if Santorum takes his own wife out for a shot and a beer when he wants to be romantic... and what she thinks of that.

Posted by: Lee on June 2, 2009 at 11:27 PM | PERMALINK

The mundane is special? eh...when the mundane is special, then you know the spark is gone. I'll take marriage advice from Elizabeth Taylor before I take advice from this dikhead.

As far as AA marriage rates go, I think that telling them that marriage is mundane, that's the BEST WAY to encourage marriages! Right....like we're gonna buy that.

Posted by: AgentX on June 3, 2009 at 8:10 AM | PERMALINK

Couple of shots of whiskey
women round here start looking good
Couple more shots of whiskey
I'm going down to Minglewood!

Posted by: Bob Weir on June 3, 2009 at 9:54 AM | PERMALINK

Isn't showcasing the city most effected by 9/11 a good thing? And even though he's a role model, what's the likelihood that the any guy, black or white, heard of the trip and thought "Yes, I am now compelled by peer pressure to helicopter to NYC and take in a broadway show". And, even though I'm a white person, I managed to resist the urge to fly to Texas and chainsaw some brush for date night.

Posted by: Snig on June 3, 2009 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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