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June 3, 2009

BECK, GOLDBERG, AND HITLER COMPARISONS.... On Monday's edition of Glenn Beck's hopelessly bizarre Fox News program, the host discussed General Motors' bankruptcy, and the federal intervention to save the company, with the National Review's Jonah Goldberg. If you're already thinking, "Uh oh," you still might be surprised by their chat.

Beck began by explaining to viewers that "Liberal Fascism," Goldberg's book, is necessary to "understand" what has "destroyed our country." Beck added that Goldberg's book "began to open my eyes," and prompted the Fox News host to do "an awful lot of research."

The notion of Beck using "Liberal Fascism" as a springboard for genuine academic research is literally laughable, but let's move on.

Beck asked his guest if there are "any examples in history where this kind of stuff has happened -- what's happening today -- and what does it lead to?" He was vague about what "this kind of stuff" included, but presumably it dealt with the government rescue of GM. Goldberg responded with the comparison that Beck wanted to hear:

"Well, I mean, we saw -- I mean, it's funny. I mean, again, you know, I'm not calling Barack Obama a Hitler and I'm not calling him Nazis and all the rest. But, you know, in fascism, we saw the people's car. We call it the Volkswagen, where the state said what we're going to do is we're going to take over the auto industry -- government and business and unions are going to get together and we're going to create cars to fill a political need rather than a market need and give people these cars."

Any thought that begins, "I'm not calling Barack Obama a Hitler, but...." is a big hint that a lot of nonsense is sure to follow.

What does the GM rescue have to do with the Nazis and Volkswagen? Literally nothing, but Goldberg seemed quite pleased with himself for drawing the comparison, and Glenn Beck found all of this fascinating.

These guys really are beyond parody.

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Dammitall, I really loved my little Beetle!

Posted by: Otolaryx on June 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM | PERMALINK

i think both those bozos are bright clean and articulate

Posted by: neill on June 3, 2009 at 10:09 AM | PERMALINK

If the new GM ever came up with a car that sells anywhere near as well as the VW Beetle did, the Federal Govt. is going to make a killing on it's 60% stock share of GM.

Posted by: Joe Isuzu on June 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK

So, then following that logic, where is my BankofAmeriCar?


what a clownass clown. amusing in stupidity, not much else.

Posted by: johnnymags on June 3, 2009 at 10:11 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, I had a 71 van that only an owner could love! Other than the fond inference to Volkswagon these two should be taken to Guantanamo because, you know, it's just like Auschwitz!

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on June 3, 2009 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

I hope this means GM soon will be manufacturing cars as good as Volkswagens!

Posted by: American in Exile on June 3, 2009 at 10:13 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not calling Goldberg a fascist or a Nazi. But, you know, he wears pants. And Hitler wore pants. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: kc on June 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM | PERMALINK

More scandalous than the Beetle shame is what Kenner Products did to an entire generation of young American girls in the 60's. Rumor has it the "Easy-Bake Oven" was inspired by the ovens at Auschwitz. A little know fact is the first units sold had a recipe book enclosed showing cupcakes with Star-of-David icing featured on the picture. Fair and balanced. We report, you decide.

Posted by: steve duncan on June 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg are dicks.

Posted by: David Bailey on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 AM | PERMALINK

These guys really are beyond parody.

What they really are is in far over their heads. They have utterly no idea on how to accurately comprehend the complex world around them, but they make up shit like this because it pays.

Posted by: Alan on June 3, 2009 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

I've asked before, and I'll ask again.

How do I get to be a clown on national television for 6 or 7 digit pay? 'Cause I wanna sign up.

Posted by: Diogenes on June 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

Jonah Goldberg is our generation's Hannah Arendt.

Posted by: Mass Hysteria on June 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM | PERMALINK

"So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the city dump."

You can get anything you want, at .....

Posted by: Alice's Restaurant on June 3, 2009 at 10:22 AM | PERMALINK

And Glenn Beck is our generation's Krusty the Klown.

Posted by: bluestatedon on June 3, 2009 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

Did you ever notice how people who aren't making Hitler comparisons never have to deny that they are making a Hitler comparison?

Funny how that works.

Posted by: biggerbox on June 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

Both of these guys are making a LOT of money off this schtick. To listen to their actual content, and actual ideas, and actual associative theoretical model making, you would think they were complete morons, utterly mentally deficient--and yet, there it is--there they are, on TV with book contracts, pulling down the big bucks. I am reminded of a line of dialog from 'Being There':

"It sho enuf is a White Man's world!"

Posted by: c4logic on June 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM | PERMALINK

These guys really are beyond parody. ...Well I don't know , the commenters on this site are doing a pretty good job.

Posted by: John R on June 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM | PERMALINK

I mean, it's funny. I mean, again, you know, I'm not calling Jonah Goldberg a Nazi, but he's a fat slob, and Herman Göring was a fat slob, so there you go.

Posted by: Screamin' Demon on June 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM | PERMALINK

Ah, the "fact" findings of young Jonah - Hitler only made suggestions for designs to Ferdinand Porsche - The government never owned the plant - The Germans were never "given" the Kafer (umlaut not included) - They paid for their new cars with small monthly payments.

Interestingly, it was the Capitalistic auto manufacturers from Britain, America and France who turned down taking control of the plant in Wolfsburg, following the war. No outsider believed in the car except for a British Major who helped save the plant and return it to peacetime manufacturing.

However, my biggest mistake in purchasing cars was in not buying a brand new 1963 Porsche off a West German showroom floor for $3,700 US. Instead, I became conservative and bought a '63 Beetle for just under 1500 and it turned out to be junk. Only bad year for that model. Firestone tires were the first to go, then blew out an increased in size valve. They corrected this problem from '64 onward. Another mistake was in not buying one of the first fastbacks and bringing it back to the US for resale. Yeah, keep up the fairy tales, Jonah.

Posted by: berttheclock on June 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM | PERMALINK

Jonah Goldberg is our generation's Hannah Arendt.

Jonah Goldberg thinks she's Miley Cyrus's alter ego.

Posted by: TR on June 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

Is this just an example of the hilarity that will be available on the Glenn Beck Comedy Tour?

Posted by: martin on June 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

A few posters got there ahead of me about the quality of the VW. If Hitler did only one thing right in his entire career, it was to commission Porsche to design his small, affordable "people's car." But he didn't do it because Porsche needed bailing out. The auto industry in Germany was one of the few things that was still in good shape about then. So the analogy falls to pieces, just like American-made cars these days when the Detroit companies are left to their own devices.

Posted by: T-Rex on June 3, 2009 at 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

Long time lurker, first time commenter.

Steve, I love this blog because its so informative, but here I don't see the depth.

You're dismissing their argument as parody, but you're not really addressing it. Isn't anyone going to actually let me know--

Is that an accurate portrayal of the origin of Volkswagen? Did the state indeed mandate its creation, or was it Hitler, or is there any difference? Did it fill a political need, or a market need, or perhaps both?

Is this in any way similar to how the state is helping to manage our current auto industry? Is the beetle in any way similar to the "next generation" of automobiles that the American people have been led to expect?

Yes, the VW has a Nazi stigma associated with it, but clearly it has risen past this. Disney, too, I guess.

Am I wrong for finding the parallel fascinating, too?

Are you invoking Godwin's Law? Because someone said "Nazi" the conversation has become a parody and is now over for all practical purposes?

That doesn't strike me as professional journalism.

Posted by: razor thigh on June 3, 2009 at 10:34 AM | PERMALINK

I mean, I'm not calling Republicans Nazis, but Adolf Hitler was supported by anti-Semites, and Henry Ford was an anti-Semite, and Henry Ford ran Ford Motors, and Alan Mulally runs Ford Motors, and Alan Mulally supports Republicans, so obviously it's the same thing.

Sadly enough, I think my logical fallacy is actually more rigorous than Goldberg's.

Posted by: tWB on June 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM | PERMALINK

Mussolini's officially approved definition of "fascism" stated that fascism should be called "corporatism" since it represented the merger of corporate and state power.

My first car was a 1958 VW bug that I bought for $75.

Posted by: SecularAnimist on June 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM | PERMALINK

The solution to FOX is simple. Simply re-do their FOX logo so that the "O" becomes a big wreath with an eagle perched atop it---and inside that wreath, a great big swastika. Make lots and lots of copies of this graphic, and post them on every telephone pole in America. Leave them on windshields in parking lots. Paste them on the windows of vacant buildings, and hang them from expressway underpasses.

Just a simple, black-and-white graphic that can be reproduced on your run-of-the-mill copy machine for what---a dime; maybe 15 cents apiece? Imagine tens of thousands of people doing this simultaneously---FOX would bankrupt itself just trying to put an end to it. They couldn't sue enough people to stop it; they couldn't ambush enough people to stop it.

Posted by: S. Waybright on June 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM | PERMALINK

Let's see - VW still here - Check... Chrysler, nope. GM - not really. Okay.... so much for liberal fascism which seems to bring about steady production, good wages, and omigod! benefits with the job! Viva la Volks!

Posted by: Greytdog Δ on June 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM | PERMALINK

Obama would be able to get more people on board if his officials recognized the need to immediately articulate the general guidelines for the exit strategies he has planned for ending such entanglements as the government's involvement with General Motors.

What is preventing communication regarding this specific topic from occuring? Is it because most of those who would be interested in exit strategies have already made up their minds? Or will such communication reduce the President's flexibility to implement an effective exit strategy?

You all are more experienced with these matters than me, so I figured I would ask here.

Posted by: William Lee on June 3, 2009 at 10:45 AM | PERMALINK

Razor: Is that an accurate portrayal of the origin of Volkswagen?

Absolutely nowhere near the point. Goldberg is just using the most ridiculously flimsy of excuses to "link" the Obama administration with his abysmal understanding of Nazi Germany.

The point has nothing to do with accuracy, facts, or remotely intelligent analysis. He just wants to call Obama Hitler. That's it. There is nothing else.

Posted by: DH Walker on June 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM | PERMALINK

What I find odd is that if you want to show pitfalls of government-corporate mergers, isn't the VW example a conter intuitive one. Wasn't the VW bug one of the most successful and longest running car models to come out of Europe? Wasn't it pretty much responsible for making Volkswagon a global brand?

It seems that the Russian car industry could have been a better example but that, of course, would have precluded the use of "Hitler", "Nazi" and "Obama" in a sound bite.

Posted by: digital amish on June 3, 2009 at 10:53 AM | PERMALINK

The notion of Beck using "Liberal Fascism" as a springboard for genuine academic research is literally laughable

Yeah, but the notion of Beck using "Liberal Fascism" as a springboard for genuinely laughable research is literally genuine.

Posted by: Gregory on June 3, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Beck and Goldberg had better hope that Volkswagen hasn't bought advertising time on Fox News. Interfering with the corporate revenue stream is the one thing that would get them to rein Beck in.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 3, 2009 at 10:56 AM | PERMALINK

Is that an accurate portrayal of the origin of Volkswagen? Did the state indeed mandate its creation, or was it Hitler, or is there any difference? Did it fill a political need, or a market need, or perhaps both?

IBM developed the punch card machine that the Nazis used to keep track of prisoners in the concentration and death camps, and IBM's founder was presented with Germany's second-highest honor to thank him for it. How many products do you have in your home that were developed or built by IBM somewhere along the way?

I'm more horrified by that than by the idea that Hitler asked Porsche to make a small car that ended up being wildly successful long after the Nazis were soundly defeated and Hitler was dead.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 3, 2009 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

To follow-up what tWB posted. Volkswagen was set up to produce Germany’s version of the Model-T. Hitler was a great admirer of Henry Ford. In the 1920’s Ford owned an anti-Semitic journal called the Dearborn Independent. It published such racist classics as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Nazis admired Ford so much they awarded him the Grand Cross of the German Eagle.

But real history does not matter to these professional propagandists who are just selling to promote their careers. It surprises me that people who care about real Nazis, the Holocaust, and real right-wing brutality don’t denounce them for their perversion of history. Such perversions make us blind to real political danger.

Posted by: bellumregio on June 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

There Beck goes misleading his viewers again. He admitted on "The View" that he doesn't do research. He said he wasn't a reporter, just a commentator.

Posted by: DR on June 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

I just e-mailed the Fox News link to VW's publicity department. It's fun to be a bitch sometimes.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

What about GM suing the US gov't for bomb damage to their German Opel Holdings? A company that made trucks for the one of the most evil regimes ever on this planet..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm


If Goldberg wanted to use a more apt comparison to appease Conservatives, and if he actually knew about how the Nazi State operated, The KdF program (Strength through Joy) that promise deposit accounts for Volkswagen via the Ministry of Labor, was basically used as a personal piggy bank for Dr. Robert Ley and others. The entire Volkswagen program before the Second World War was a fraud, and much of the funds were used by Ley for high living.

Basically, the Nazis promised a 1000 Deutchmark car, which was unrealistic, and then ripped off 350,000 people who had deposits for a new car.

Posted by: Ted on June 3, 2009 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

I am hoping that all those nutters on the lunatic Right work themselves up into a group frenzy and combust into oblivion.

Couldn't happen to a better(worse) bunch of people.

Posted by: phoebes-in-santa fe on June 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM | PERMALINK

It's unfortunate Americans stil think the Right wing is talking with intelligence instead of rhetoric.

Posted by: ML Johnston on June 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM | PERMALINK

The right is really freaked out about GM and Chrysler. They are so freaked out that they forget to be populist and are automatically defending hedge funds in the BK proceedings.

Posted by: Unstable Isotope on June 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Any thought that begins, "I'm not calling Barack Obama a Hitler, but...." is a big hint that a lot of nonsense is sure to follow.

Yeah, just like when someone starts a sentence with "I'm not a racist, but..." it's sure to be followed by a completely racist statement.
Like someone above said, if you're not doing or saying something, then you don't have to bother to say that you're not doing or saying something.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Even Ralph Nader knew that VW Beetles were death-traps - he wrote a book about them a few years after his Corvair book. The VW Van was most dangerous, the Beetle was third, and the Corvair only came in 7th. If I remember right a Peugot came in second.

Posted by: Bob S. on June 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Okay, as someone who lives in car country and who has family and lots of friends working for the auto manufacturers, I can say without hesitation that metro Detroiters understand the government is stepping in not to turn us all into fascists -- but rather to help us keep our jobs and feed our families and keep our community alive.

When Obama announced he was going to give government loans to the Big Three to keep them afloat and the Republicans protested and tried to prevent it from happening, that turned ordinary Republican autoworkers into Democrats overnight. In the cube farms and in the plants you were hard pressed to find anyone who wasn't bitching about the Republicans.

I'm sure this stuff plays with the rubes in areas where they don't want no gubmint men interfering with their halcyon existence, but here in Detroit we understand it as an administration acting in this country's national interests by keeping the economy afloat and a manufacturing base alive.

Posted by: trex on June 3, 2009 at 11:29 AM | PERMALINK

Piggybacking on trex (yeah, I know I should lose five pounds -- sorry): If Obama had let the auto industry crash and burn as wingers in corner bars across America insist he should've, the caterwauling as the economic concentric circles of that immense and complex industry hit the naysayers would be audible in Detroit from 15 states away.

Posted by: shortstop on June 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Others have already expressed this thought, but we should be so luck that GM starts to manufacture cars as popular as the Beetle.

The antithesis of the big, flashy American car, this little economic car was the best-selling car in automotive history. A truly international phenomenon, the German Volkswagen's efficiency, ease of driving, and simple design provided millions with basic, cheap, and reliable transportation. It's easily recognizable shape dotted the landscape from New York to Paris to Berlin and beyond, and became an icon for a generation in the 1960s and 1970s.

How stupid is old doughy-pants-load?

Posted by: rege on June 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

I'm not saying Dwight Eisenhower was a Hitler, but he did base the Interstate Highway System on the German autbahn, built by NAZIS!

I'm not saying JFK was a Hitler, but he did endorse a lunar program that used rocket technology, built by NAZIS!

I'm not saying FDR was a Hitler, but he did sign into law the Social Security Act, similar to one established by German chancellor Otto von Bismarck in 1890, who would later be the namesake for a battleship, built by NAZIS!

Wow, when you simplify your worldview to the level of Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg, it really puts everything in a new perspective.

Posted by: 2Manchu on June 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK

Whle Hitler encouraged the design and concept of the VW (remember, he also "built the autobahns", which is perhaps where Eisenhower got the idea for beefing up the interstate highway system during his eventual term as President of the US - genius Beck should do the "research"), virtually no Volkswagen Beetle's were produced in Nazi Germany. Beyond a run of few hundred cars which never reached the market, production of autos stopped due to the war. Ironically, the classic VW did indeed survive and become a viable company due to government intervention - by a British Army officer and...wait for it...Herbert Hoover ! President Truman had sent Hoover to post-war Germany to survey the damage to the economy and help with plans to get them back on their feet.


From Wikipedia:

In Occupied Germany, the Allies followed the Morgenthau Plan, to remove all German war potential, by complete or partial pastoralisation. As part of this, in the Industrial plans for Germany, the rules for which industry Germany was to be allowed to retain were set out. German car production was set at a maximum of 10% of the 1936 car production numbers.[4]

The Volkswagen factory at Wolfsburg came under UK control in 1945, it was to be dismantled and shipped to Britain. Thankfully for Volkswagen, no British car manufacturer was interested in the factory; "the vehicle does not meet the fundamental technical requirement of a motor-car ... it is quite unattractive to the average buyer ... To build the car commercially would be a completely uneconomic enterprise".[5] The factory survived by producing cars for the British Army instead. Allied dismantling policy changed in late 1946 to mid 1947, although heavy industry continued to be dismantled until 1951. In March 1947 Herbert Hoover helped change policy by stating: "There is the illusion that the New Germany left after the annexations can be reduced to a 'pastoral state'. It cannot be done unless we exterminate or move 25,000,000 people out of it".[6] Thanks to the protection of British Army Major Ivan Hirst, Volkswagen survived the perilous times, and became part of the German economic recovery.

Posted by: brucds on June 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Ted, up thread, you are correct about Dr Ley ripping off so many. Following the war, West Germany honored those payments. East Germany refused. However, many Germans were "allowed" to drive the military version during the war until they went Boom.

I would never mean to imply that Reagan was a Hitler, but, Pat Buchanan did persuade him to go to Bitburg and say the interned Waffen SS troops who had been with the division in France during massacres of civilians were "victims". A collective cry emanated over the cemetery that day, as a cry resembling Mongo in "Blazing Saddles" cried out "We were merely pawns in the larger scheme of life".

Posted by: berttheclock on June 3, 2009 at 12:11 PM | PERMALINK

i owned a vw, a hand-me down from my mom...a very cool car called the karmann ghia...a two seat "sports car" buit the regular beetle frame...
[air-cooled engine in the rear, natch...]

it was an instant hit...gm should only do as well with their next model

never seen one? check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Karmann_Ghia

Posted by: dj spellchecka on June 3, 2009 at 12:17 PM | PERMALINK

How stupid does your message have to be to keep the ignorant listening to you?

Posted by: SteveA on June 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK

The funny thing about Liberal Fascism is that it starts with Goldberg making some sensible points about what fascism really is and critiquing the reflexive use of "fascist" as an epithet. Then he proceeds to go on for the rest of the book committing the very sin he is fighting against. Self-awareness is a wonderful thing.

Posted by: The Pop View on June 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM | PERMALINK

I hope these guys don't read Cadillac Desert and find out how much the Feds were responsible for developing the Water Projects necessary to sustain the West and its "rugged individualists" for the last 100+ years.

Posted by: Speed on June 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

"How do liberals react to criticism? With rational, adult answers?"

Yes, because the right has been so fair-handed and adult in their criticism. Calling Jonah criticism is laugh in itself. It's like dealing with a street person really - you say "X,Y,Z" in argument form and Jonah responds shouting about Hitter and bananas.

Posted by: inthewoods on June 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Adam Opel put in what many people considered a superior bid to design and build the "people's car", but Dr. (honorary degree by the way) Porsche was a favorite of Hitler and got the contract. His unconventional design suffered numerous teething problems which took a lot of extra money and time to solve. Meanwhile Czech automaker Tatra, who specialized in air cooled rear engine cars, sued Porsche for patent infringement. The suit was dropped after the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia, but Tatra sued again after the war and eventually got a settlement out of VW.

Among the apocryphal tales, after the war VW built test models for the British to evaluate. VW supposedly went out of its way to make the test units extra crappy so the British would not be interested.

Not positive, but I think the Nazi's did own the VW factory. After the war it became a serious issue as the VW plant was building cars and making money, but with the demise of the Nazi government it was not clear who owned them. Eventually VW was allowed to do an IPO.

All this is kind of interesting, but has nothing to do with the present situation re Obama and GM.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell on June 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM | PERMALINK

I'm not saying JFK was a Hitler, but he did endorse a lunar program that used rocket technology, built by NAZIS!

Quite literally Nazis, in von Braun's case. He only escaped prosecution because we whisked him away and put him to work in the US.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM | PERMALINK

If Obama had let the auto industry crash and burn as wingers in corner bars across America insist he should've, the caterwauling as the economic concentric circles of that immense and complex industry hit the naysayers would be audible in Detroit from 15 states away.

Yeah, but that's the thing conservatives are afraid of -- hot on the heels of their having bollixed up the US economy, if Obama steps in and saves the auto industry, reforms banking, and generally rescues American capitalism from itself, it'll validate yet again what most Americans have known since the New Deal -- Democratic policies work, and the Republicans shouldn't be let near the levers of power to implement their neo-gilded Age policies.

Posted by: Gregory on June 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK

The funny thing about Liberal Fascism is that it starts with Goldberg making some sensible points about what fascism really is and critiquing the reflexive use of "fascist" as an epithet. Then he proceeds to go on for the rest of the book committing the very sin he is fighting against.

If memory serves me right, he's fairly open about being motivated by beingtired of being called a fascist, when he's actually just an authoritarian.

Posted by: Gregory on June 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, never mind that not a single bug was produced while Hitler was in power; and afterwards, the bug became the most popular car ever, for it's appeal; practicality, price, style, and economy.

The car, (and it's derivatives, including the bus, the "thing", the ghia, superbeetle, etc.) was manufactured from the 1940's until the 1990's.

An excellent example of an extremely successful product in a "free market" - the global auto industry.

But we never expected any accuracy in Glen Beck's "view" of history.

Posted by: osama_been_forgotten on June 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

This is starting to become more clear for me. I have always suspected Obama wants to invade Poland.

Posted by: e henry thripshaw on June 3, 2009 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

"invade Poland" - Ah, the home brew is kicking in.

In West Germany in the sixties, drivers had a status thing about who had the right of way. Anyone driving a Mercedes thought he had the right of way over, say, an Opel or American cars. The Opel folks knew they were superior to the VW types. What was interesting was when Mercedes guys and gals tried to outrun the white VWs owned by the state police. Only problem for the Mercedes types was that Porsche engine which had been placed in the police VW. It was the early version of "Whoosh".

Posted by: berttheclock on June 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

3rdP -- that you? If not, then the uncanny recognition of home brew altered prose is astounding.

Posted by: e henry thripshaw on June 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

"...which is perhaps where Eisenhower got the idea for beefing up the interstate highway system..." brucds @ 11:56 AM.
I think Eisenhower's first interest in "beefing up" the interstate system came when he led a military convoy from the Midwest to California in the 1920's. It was a test of the "new" motorized transport the Army had and it literally took weeks.
Originally a major reason for the US Interstate System was to provide a method of moving goods other than by railroads during wartime. Even a non-nuclear attack on rail choke points (ie, the yards and stations in the cities) could seriously disrupt, or even halt, military movements as well as needed supplies for factories, etc.

Posted by: Doug on June 3, 2009 at 8:41 PM | PERMALINK

Thanks Doug, but that "11:56 AM" thing was a satirical comment...

Posted by: brucds on June 4, 2009 at 6:12 PM | PERMALINK




 

 

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