This is the inevitable result of having a Muslim in the white house: atheists bending the president's ear.

Noting about the Southern Baptist preacher from Orange County CA, a former 2nd vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention announcing on FOX radio last week he is praying for the death of President Obama? He thinks his prayers for the death of Tiller were successful so he's moving on the bigger game.

Dobson's god is a totally incompetent fool.

And in Kentucky, one Louisville pastor has decided to encourage his congregation to "strap on holsters and bring their weapons to church." Pastor Ken Pagano of New Bethel Church told ABC News, "As a Christian pastor I believe that without a deep-seeded belief in God and firearms that this country would not be here."

Further proof that the Southern Baptists (the church founded to defend slavery and southern treason) are about as "Christian" as the Taliban are "Muslim."

"Fundamentalism" is its own separate false religion, stealing from this and that actual real religious tradition to determine which shade of shit brown will be used ("Fundamentalist-christian," "Fundamentalist-jew", "Fundamentalist-muslim," "Fundamentalist-hindu").

And in Kentucky, one Louisville pastor has decided to encourage his congregation to "strap on holsters and bring their weapons to church."

And Jesus said unto them, "When a man strikes thee upon thy right cheek then bloweth him away, using the gun the keeping of which has been sanctified by the Lord. And likewise, remembering the divine doctrine of intervention, bloweth away the man standing next to him lest he, at some future time, shall strike thee upon thy cheek."

i'm going to pick a nit --

isn't the term "deep-seated"?

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And in Kentucky, one Louisville pastor has decided to encourage his congregation to "strap on holsters and bring their weapons to church."

Weak. He needs to figure a way to work sex and tits into the mix.
Don't they teach these pastors anything in school anymore?

And in Kentucky, one Louisville pastor has decided to encourage his congregation to "strap on holsters and bring their weapons to church."

Makes perfect sense to me. Think how many more moneylenders Jesus could have swept from the temple if only He'd been packing some heat. I can hear it now... "I know what you're thinking, punk. Did I perform five miracles? Or six? Well in all this excitement I've kinda lost track myself. So there's one question you've got to ask yourself. 'Do I feel blessed?' Well do ya, punk? Do ya?"

I assume that to some degree Randall Terry is part of the God machine. I just wish he had stayed quite instead of popping up and spouting his usual level of obnoxious drivel.

Roddy wins the thread. Damn, that was funny.

Goeglein told Dobson that George W. Bush "was was the instrument in God's hand as the leader of the free world."

All I can say is, God needs to seriously upgrade His toolkit.

Pastor Ken Pagano of New Bethel Church told ABC News, "As a Christian pastor I believe that without a deep-seeded belief in God and firearms that this country would not be here."

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

The Rev. Rob Schenck, perhaps best known for applying anointing oil to the door leading to the Inaugural portico in January, has now been given permission to anoint the doors to the Senate hearing room where Sonia Sotomayor will face questions from the Judiciary Committee in July.

I'm reasonably pleased so far with the results of Schenck's January anointing, so as far as I'm concerned, he's welcome to do it again.

What I don't get is that Schenck probably doesn't see his earlier anointing as having borne much fruit. So why's he going for a repeat? Maybe it's just that old line about insanity consisting of doing the seme thing over and over, and always expecting different results this time.

Yep, it should be "deep-seated". And I find it amusing that the *Christian* pastor's surname is *pagan*.

Probably the only reason the right hasn't pitched a fit about representatives of the atheist community meeting with the administration is that they haven't heard about it yet. I'm guessing by this time next week it will be a different story. Obama, secret Muslim, Jew, and now Atheist!

Now that poisonous snakes are on the Endangered Species List, volcanos are dying down, and virgins have become scarcer than hen's teeth (or eye of newt, for that matter), atheism is on the rise. . .

Goeglein told Dobson that George W. Bush "was was the instrument in God's hand as the leader of the free world."
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Pastor Ken Pagano of New Bethel Church told ABC News, "As a Christian pastor I believe that without a deep-seeded belief in God and firearms that this country would not be here."

Well, he is quite right.

If not for guns, and the deep-seated belief that their God wanted them to exterminate "heathen red savages" and enslave "heathen black savages" and "heathen Chinese savages", the European invaders of North America probably would not have established the USA as we know it today.

As an old rock & roll song has it,

That's how the West
Was really won
Lots of cheap labor
And the almighty gun

George W. Bush "was the instrument in God's hand as the leader of the free world."

Well, somebody's anyhow. Maybe not any God I'm acquainted with, but somebody.

May the Force be with you.
And also with you.

Yesterday a friend and I were in a Costco store where my friend bought an area rug. The salesman was very good and knew his stuff. He is also about to lose his job as that store is closing, and he's trying to support his three granddaughters and his daughter, who also lost her job recently. His life is significantly tough these days.

I was being sympathetic, so he seemed to feel that I might be a Christian in his sense. I am one, but as an Episcopalian I may not live "up" to what he has in mind.

He was telling me that he KNOWS that the Lord is with him and will help him get through his current problems. I have no problem with this view per se.

But then he started talking about how all these people who are currently well off and who are laughing at him will be getting their own soon; I believe he means the coming of the Rapture. I held up my hand palm outward, and said whoa, the God that I worship is merciful and loves ALL God's children and has made provisions for all of them. To my surprise he agreed with this, and what I said seemed to stop him in his coming Rapture track. I personally have found this more successful in dealing with fundamentalists than berating them or dissing them. However, I recognize that the leaders regularly mentioned in the news are probably not amenable to even a gentle reminder that Jesus preached a gospel of MERCY, not vengefulness and hatred.

I'm glad that an atheist group got a hearing in the White House. I'm glad that Obama, for whom I voted, seems to feel that he truly is president of ALL Americans. I have no problem with how others lead their lives as long as they aren't harming other people. I wish that everyone had a live and let live philosophy.

Goeglein told Dobson that George W. Bush "was was the instrument in God's hand as the leader of the free world."

No Mr. Plagiarism, the word you want is "Tool."

As a Facilities professional, I resent the fact that my colleages will now have to go into chambers and clean that slimey mess off the doorjams. Idiots.

I'm not sure who gave Schenck permission to do this.

It was either the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms or the Committee on Rules and Administration. The latter oversees the administration of the Senate office buildings, but the former handles the operational details.

If some minister stopped in and 'anointed' a door at my workplace, I'd file a lawsuit. Just saying...

That this meeting occurred, the group raised legitimate concerns, and no one freaked out about their discussion,[...] -- Steve Benen

Give 'em time. As soon as Limpbaugh picks his dropped jaw off the floor, he'll lead the bay-off after Obama -- traitor to *all* religions, even the Muslim one he never admitted to.

"...Goeglein told Dobson that George W. Bush "was was the instrument in God's hand as the leader of the free world."

Isn't this backwards. It's been reported that Dobson is the one who made that statement not Goeglein. That is big enough to deserve a correction if true.

Schenck needs to stop trying to put spells and voodoo on government buildings...otherwise people will get the idea is alright to piss on them or throw motor oil on them (for hoodo conservatives the saliva of Palin would be enough to make them kneel as they pass or treat it like a wailing wall). Schenck states he uses oil from Jerusalem...a place which has caused more war and destruction than any other place on earth...just the kind of oil the senate needs to be blessed with huh?. Oh, if only we could find some Kryptonite.

Packing guns in church???...recall the kid whose father gave him a loaded oozie at the gun show to demonstrate even a kid can shoot one and when firing the gun kept rising till the kid shot himself in the head, killing him instantly. Guns have never been allowed in church so this pastor demonstrates his stupidity and would likely get someone killed showing off his righteousness.
What Jeebus was he riding that day.

i'm going to pick a nit --

Me too. Steve writes "What's more, a meeting like this, not too long ago, may have sparked a controversy." The word is might. "May have . . ." implies that we don't know whether or not it did. But we know it didn't, because such a meeting didn't happen. For a past condition contrary to fact (i.e., the question of whether such a meeting would have sparked a controversy), the appropriate tense is "Might have . . ."

Steve, I hope someone up thread already took you to task for this, but you really need to stop believing everything you read, *especially* from Politico. As one might glean from their name, the Secular Coalition for America is not an "atheist advocacy group". As the front page of their website clearly points out, they lobby on behalf of, in addition to atheists, "humanists, agnostics, freethinkers and other nontheistic Americans."

That is, people with 90+ IQs.

Why the f*&% do we even HAVE a "religious liason" in the White House?

Did con law professor Obama forget about that "separation of church & state" thing-y?

Does a restraining order against the New Bethel Church congregation offer any protection once the benediction is done and they hit the doors?

Re: packing guns in church.

Actually, the Pastor in Louisville, KY that wants his congregation to bring a firearm to church, has said the weapons have to be unloaded.

Now.......a gun without ammunition is just a hunk of metal. You may as well put a rock in your pocket.

The whole thing is just plain stupid.

Pastor Pagano could improve his Sundays by taking a lesson from the Jewish Sabbath:

Mishnah, Tractate Shabbat 6:4
One must not go out [on Shabbat] with a sword, nor with a bow, nor with a triangular shield, nor with a round one, nor with a spear... R. Eliezer says they are ornaments to him [and thus permitted to be worn on Shabbat], but the Sages say they are nothing but a stigma [genai, reproach, shame, disgrace], for it is written [Isaiah 2:4]: "...and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. "

A bit more than a century ago, Robert Ingersoll, "the great agnostic," was a regular speaker at GAR and Republican assemblies and a guest in the White House.

The bit about anointing the doors reminds me of Ambrose Bierce's comment that anointing was spreading oil on a person already sufficiently slippery.