There was a time in THIS country when we took to the streets and let our voices be heard like this. Gore v. Bush was so quiet ... have we become so complacent? You can't help but admire these folks, and applaud them for taking the risks they are to stand up to the tyranny around them. That's courage, if ever there was. I hope they prevail.

i think the tiger has been unleashed, and the citizens of iran will insist on and get reform -- and, of course, it is all the women's fault...

"Here's guessing people who feel like a presidential election was just stolen don't have much confidence in the integrity of the looming investigation."

It's time to move beyond the 2000 presidential ele... Oh, wait, never mind.

Oto, if americans took to the streets a whole lot more than 1 protester would be shot.

This page would also be completely silent about the batter, except for maybe some tut-tutting about how the protesters were really out of hand.

When someone who has never shown the slightest bit of concern for human rights in this(he was essentially against torture trials by being against the photo release that would have brought them about) all of the sudden develops a keen interest in the crimes of other countries, you have to wonder about ulterior motives.

The most powerful part of the linked video shows several protesters helping a police officer who wrecked. These level headed protesters kept the officer free from harm from some of the more, um, passionate protesters.

I think you can't compare Gore/Bush 2000 with this one. The question isn't any longer if the election was stolen.
The only question is: why made Ahmadinejad that fatal mistake of imprisoning hundreds of opponents directly after claiming victory.

Or, in other words, why did he shout "I am a dictator" directly after an election he might have won anyway?

I cannot fathom out the reason behind this move? And there's a roaring silence in the media when it comes to this question.

lights-out is back... with more chaos...

yummers!

maybe we'd be silent about the batters, but we'd raise hell about the pitchers!

Marq bar Basiji!
Marq bar Basiji!
Marq bar Basiji!
Marq bar Basiji!

I wonder does Ahmadinejad realize that the parents of the current protesters kicked the Shah out on his ass 30 years ago. Maybe he thinks that the Ayatollahs was the only ones involved in that change of government?

Hearing rumors that plainclothes snipers killed 7 in rallies in Tabriz, I believe. Been following on Twitter (tag is #iranelection)

Great collection of pics: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html

Why has official Western media gone out of its way to certify the election already? It doesn't seem like a done deal at all.

If only they'd allowed us to bring democracy to their country more compassionately at the barrel of a cruise missile. Sure, it costs a million lives or so and years of living hell in a bombed out infrastructure, but mmmmmm, the transition to delicious American-style free market capitalism is worth it.

Just ask the Iraqis. The DVD's you can get in Baqouba these days? They're absolutely to die for.

Oto, if americans took to the streets a whole lot more than 1 protester would be shot.

Oh, cut that out! Millions of Americans took to the streets to protest the invasion of Iraq. None were shot, and the only ones sent to jail were those (an extremely tiny minority) who damaged other people's property.

The Basij militia busted into Tehran university and smashed up all the computer monitors.

The computers remained untouched under the tables.

I wonder just how supportive and outraged conservatives would be if the same thing were to occur in this country...like say when the Supreme Court installed our recent president or the now "proven" 'election fraud' that occurred with Bush's 2nd presidential theft.

btw...what kind of a democracy is it when the majority demands single payer not for profit health care ins. and their elected leaders just tell them to go screw themselves...they are not gonna' give it to them... with no credible reason for denying it, giving easily debunked excuses instead. Until we rid ourselves of the senate or at least get rid of the heavily abused senate filibuster rule...we are burdened with a republic or government 'for' the people but not 'by' the people.

@MatthewRMarler: soullite means protesters in Iran, not here.

In comments at WaPo piece critical of the pro-Ahmadinejad poll, I saw this:
A ministry that locked out many of its own employees during the counting process as reported by many western reporters who interviewed MOI employees. [Ministry of the Interior, charged with administering the election.]
Interesting. Any confirmation?

i have to say, i don't see this as being so different than what happens here during political protests. the republican and democratic conventions of 2008 involved quite a bit of police hostility toward demonstrators, as did those in 2004 and, i presume though don't have a specific memory, those in 2000.

the reaction by the iranian government has escalated to the degree that the protests have escalated. i would be surprised if the escalation of protests was not encouraged by iranians demonstrators perceiving they have western support.

unfortunately for them, that western support doesn't translate into actual assistance which, of course, it can't. (what assistance would you have? that we bomb the country?)

while it's a very bad thing to have rigged elections, i think the reaction around the interwebs has been excessive given the dearth of knowledge on iranian politics.

i am very sorry for anyone hurt or killed as a result of these protests but i think it's silly to be making a lot of the accusations against the iranian government that i have heard around the blogosphere in the last several days.

don't mistake my opinion as support for oppressive regimes, but i think people's views are greatly influenced by the anti-iranian rhetoric that has been a drumbeat for the past eight years and longer.

the iranian government is not organized like ours, so it is strange and therefore can be easily made to seem wrong.

i'm taking a wait-and-see position on this whole thing. it seems to me that despite the sometimes violent altercations between protesters and police, the iranian government itself is re-evaluating and clarifying the initial results. as we are all well aware, political change does not happen overnight. when the political temperature cools down, then will be the opportunity for those in iran to push for changes that will more nearly ensure fair elections.

i'm not sure what those of you who are agitated over this thinks should happen.

the iranian government as it currently stands has been in place for 30 years and was created by, of and for the people of iran. their beliefs are different than ours. they do not have separation of church and state. sure, there are iranians who would prefer a secular government but there are americans who would like to see religious people running things here. that does not mean that their or our current forms of government are inherently evil.

"I wonder does Ahmadinejad realize that the parents of the current protesters kicked the Shah out on his ass 30 years ago. Maybe he thinks that the Ayatollahs was the only ones involved in that change of government?
Posted by: Ron Byers on June 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM"

this is what i'm talking about when i refer to ignorance on the part of many of those commenting on the situation in iran.

Ahmadinejad was one of those students who "kicked the shah out on his ass."

But karen marie, the point is that a regime can be kicked out by protests, there being irony regarding Mr. Ahmadinejad notwithstanding.

If only the American people could have showed the courage re: our fraudulent 2000 and 2004 elections that the people of Iran have demonstrated this week re: their fraudulent national election!

What do you call a group of people who let a dried out alcoholic, with an IQ of 94, twice be placed in office by his dads narcodollar vote machine fraud organization? (spelled Diebold) What do you call a group of people who sat on their asses and failed to take to the streets to protest this vote machine fraud? And the usurpation of their Fourth Amendment Rights to privacy in their telephone, computer and mail transactions?

What do you call a group of people who allow their leader to be assisted in, his hare-brained missions, by a cadre of his dad’s corrupt, draft dodging, white collar criminals. What do you call a group of people who allow this cadre to kill, in the name of freedom, 4300 of our finest, along with 600,000 innocent Iraqis?` What do you call a people who fail to force their elected representatives to exercise their Constitutional duty of redress through impeachment of the above mentioned.

And to borrow, in this peoples name, over a trillion dollars to finance this war of lies. And to corruptly transfer as much of this money, as this cadre possibly could, into their own various coffers?

What do you call a people who fail to keep themselves informed about these things?

What do you call such a people? Why, you call them Americans!

American patriots admire the people of Iran for their courage in standing up against a fraudulent election ……if only our citizens had had the courage to do the same in our 2000 and 2004 elections…if only!!!

To learn more about the source of the money that was used to buy Americas last three presidential elections, search: Bush+Clinton+Mena

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