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June 18, 2009

ALL-TIME LOWS.... I've seen a few Republican blogs today crowing about the latest national polls, which show some lukewarm support for some of White House's policy priorities. There are a couple of numbers, though, that should give them pause.

For one thing, President Obama's approval ratings still look quite strong. In the New York Times/CBS poll, for example, the president's national rating stood at 63% support, the same as it was a month ago. In the WSJ/NBC poll, Obama fared slightly worse, with 56%, which is still not a bad rating under the circumstances.

But what's gone largely overlooked is the numbers for the Republican Party. Consider this tidbit from the NYT/CBS poll:

While Republicans have steadily increased their criticism of Mr. Obama, particularly on the budget deficit, the poll found that the Republican Party is viewed favorably by only 28 percent of those polled, the lowest rating ever in a New York Times/CBS News poll. In contrast, 57 percent said that they had a favorable view of the Democratic Party. [emphasis added]

The WSJ/NBC poll added:

25 percent hold a favorable view of the Republican Party, which is an all-time low for it in the poll. 45 percent hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party. [emphasis added]

CNBC personality Jim Cramer told Joe Scarborough this morning, "I think everybody wishes that Obama would just kind of go away for a little bit."

That may apply to Cramer and the cast of "Morning Joe," but given the "all-time lows" for the GOP right now, it's probably not the president Americans would like to see "go away for a little bit."

Steve Benen 2:50 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (28)

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Hey I wish Cramer and Morning Joe and the rest of the talking head idiots would go away for a lot longer - and leave the discussion to the serious people who were actually, you know, *elected* to fix the problems

Posted by: andy on June 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM | PERMALINK

Ah, those republicans; they're such a whiny bunch of mini-me Ahmadinejad posers---y'know?

Posted by: S. Waybright on June 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

Conservatives pay attention only to poll numbers that support their position, period. Any and all poll results (including elections) saying otherwise are summarily dismissed.

Posted by: Monty on June 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Remember here kids, Republicans, if they are following Bush Jr. in any way, do not care about public opinion because they know better than the public and know that the "right" answer may not be popular, but that doesn't make it any less "right".

At least that's the BS they could be using to explain such poor support.

Posted by: Katie on June 18, 2009 at 3:06 PM | PERMALINK

Keep them tweets coming. They're really doing the trick. All's we need now is a few more racist emails and we'll be right back in the saddle. Whoooeee!

Posted by: wingnut euphoria on June 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

I guess that for Cramer, "everybody" means "everybody in his tiny little orbit."

Kinda like the possibly apocryphal liberal from 1972 who asked how Nixon could have won, when everyone she knew had voted for McGovern.

Posted by: low-tech cyclist on June 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

"It's just a flesh wound."

Posted by: Jon on June 18, 2009 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

Kinda like the possibly apocryphal liberal from 1972 who asked how Nixon could have won, when everyone she knew had voted for McGovern.

Trivia: that line has always been attributed to film critic Pauline Kael.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on June 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM | PERMALINK

It is clearly the mission of "Morning Joe" and crew to attack and destroy everything Obama/Democratic. Along with most of the rest of the MSM.
What does that dimwit Kramer want him to do? Stop working and making any public appearances so they can all bitch about how he's not working and he's hiding from the public?

Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Back in March of 2001 public support for a large tax cut was tepid at best as most Americans wanted to continue lowering public debt instead of giving out tax breaks. Now, as those tax breaks are expiring, it is political suicide to speak of retiring them, except for the very upper upper middle class (making over a quarter of million dollars a year).

Obama shouldn't take the polls too seriously. If he manages to get a health care bill passed, once it goes into effect it will become wildly popular and almost as untouchable as SS.

Posted by: majun on June 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

I hope Obama does take the polls seriously, because if you read carefully the way the questions were written, you may notice what I think I noticed. Some of the negative votes on specific policies may include people like me who think the problem is not that Obama is doing something, but that he's not doing enough or going far enough.

Steering a "middle course" is winning him no friends or converts among die-hard Republicans. It's simply making it harder to institute the change he promised during his election, while alienating part of his own base.

Crankily yours,

Posted by: The New York Crank on June 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Is it me or is Morning Joe better withought Joe Scarborough? The last couple of mornings he has been out on a book tour and there has actually been some reasonable (for that crew) discourse. Not having to listen to Joe compalining about Obama and laughing inappropriately at news items seems to lend and air of reason to the proceedings.

Posted by: John R on June 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM | PERMALINK

Jim Cramer talking about anybody 'to just go away for a little bit' reveals a stunning lack of self awareness. Does he really believe anybody turns on CNBC to see him clown around?

Posted by: SRW1 on June 18, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

Is Jim Cramer still allowed out in public? I would have thought having his ass handed to him by Jon Stewart would have discouraged him from making asinine comments on television. I guess some people are too stupid to learn.

Posted by: Singularity on June 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK

Bwahahahaha!! For all of you who aren't firsthand familiar with Wall Street, Cramer's comment is classic "Street."

Translation: "Now that we've got your money, get lost."

Posted by: mars on June 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK

Best comment from the threads at Think Progress about Cramer:
"he's the Carrot Top of economics." (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/cramer-obama-go/#comment-5693000).

HA!

Posted by: Diogenes on June 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK

In the scorched-earth political world of Morning Joke and conservatives in general, it doesn't matter how low their ratings sink, how despised they become, as long as Obama is somehow dragged down as well. They'd tie the dead bodies of their mothers to his legs if they thought it'd slow him down long enough to get hit by a bus.

Honestly, do these people ever expect to lead the country again? Ever? You'd think they'd stop sowing the earth with salt and dragons' teeth, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Mark on June 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

Jim Cramer told Joe Scarborough this morning, "I think everybody wishes that Obama would just kind of go away for a little bit."

There he goes mouthpiecing Wall Street robber-barons again.

Yeah, right, Jim. EVERYBODY wishes the President would "go away" during a fiscal crisis, a health care crisis, and two wars.

Hurt your brain, does he?

Posted by: Sarah Barracuda on June 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM | PERMALINK

Steve, it would be nice (and less dishonest) if this site just mentioned somewhere that it was a liberal blog instead of trying to represent itself as something else.

Posted by: Jordan S on June 18, 2009 at 4:46 PM | PERMALINK

It'd be nice if RedState and Little Green Footballs, to name a couple, mentioned somewhere that they were dangerously nutty websites dedicated to the overthrow of the current government, too.

Oddly enough, they don't. Instead, they go on representing themselves as alternative thinking that will ultimately make America better. Funny old world, innit?

Posted by: Mark on June 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM | PERMALINK

Obama is losing enthusiasm and probably significant support from the left and even left-center. I'm not sure if one can gauge what that could do to him, but a good part of the growing unease is really aimed at the Dems in Congress, particularly the Senate, of course.

I'm with NY Crank (above) even though, given the Republicans' numbers (single-digit is just around the corner) I can't imagine any change in '10. And in the midst of this, we're getting emailed pleas from David Axelrod for more Obama campaign money? That's chutzpah! Puh-lease!

Posted by: PW on June 18, 2009 at 4:59 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with New York Crank. I've become increasingly disillusioned with Obama, but certainly NOT because he's too liberal. If Republicans think lefties' current dissatisfaction with Obama means more support for them, then they really are as stupid as we make them out to be. No, the sad truth is it might mean more libs sitting out the next wave of elections out of disgust for Obama's reneging on his promises. It won't mean more support for Republicans, but a win is a win, they'll take it & gladly eff us all over again.

Posted by: slappy magoo on June 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Before you go crowing about Obama's high approval ratings, look at the sample in the poll.

In the NYTimes/CBS Poll, they give the Democrats a 14 point sampling advantage. Rediculous.

Gallup just released numbers saying that 40% of the nation considers themselves "Conservatives". Assuming that most Republicans would call themselves that, and only 24% Republicans appear in this poll, one is left to understand that approximately HALF of the Conservatives in this poll are Democrats!

Sorry, but lol.

In the last NYTimes Poll, Dems had an 18 point sampling advantage! Where are they taking this poll, Queens?

P.S., Rasmussen says that Dems have a 6 point party affiliation advantage, not 14 points. Bottom line, the poll is just more DNC propaganda perpetrated by the MSM.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell on June 18, 2009 at 6:04 PM | PERMALINK

Is there a single promise Obama made during the campaign that he HASN'T broken yet?

During the General Election, Obama went back on everything hee promised during the Primary. Now that he is POTUS, he has gone back on everything he promised during the General.

Just because someone lies to you eloquently, doesn't make it any less a lie.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell on June 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM | PERMALINK

But what's gone largely overlooked is the numbers for the Republican Party.

Are you sure that they have been overlooked? I read bad GOP numbers at least every week. both parties together are polling worse than I can remember, but the Republicans are truly disdained.

Posted by: MatthewRMarler on June 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

I'm with New York Crank. I've become increasingly disillusioned with Obama, but certainly NOT because he's too liberal. If Republicans think lefties' current dissatisfaction with Obama means more support for them, then they really are as stupid as we make them out to be. No, the sad truth is it might mean more libs sitting out the next wave of elections out of disgust for Obama's reneging on his promises. It won't mean more support for Republicans, but a win is a win, they'll take it & gladly eff us all over again.

Posted by: slappy magoo on June 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM | PERMALINK

The Republicans are only thinking of reelection therefor they are not doing their job that they were elected to do. Everything is no no no. This does not represent a UNITED States Of America!

Posted by: ed on June 18, 2009 at 6:56 PM | PERMALINK

Someone is surprised that Fred Hiatt, the dumbest drooling moron to ever become an editor at any American newspaper (major or otherwise), a man who doesn't qualify as a pimple on the pimple on the ass of Ben Bradlee, who - had he been in Bradlee's position 35 years ago - would be responsible for Richard Nixon being President in Perpetuity, would make such a decision.

when you look at the Washington Pest and the Lost Angles Tums, someone is surpruised that newspapers are no longer even considered useful catbox liner????

Posted by: TCinLA on June 19, 2009 at 3:10 AM | PERMALINK
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