People are going to have to care a whole lot less what conservatives say or how they feel about a lot of things.

The Holocaust Museum shooting, the murder of an abortion doctor, and the slaying of the Pittsburgh police officers are trumpeted by shrill leftists as "proof" that right-wing extremism is on the rise and should be a major concern, whereas the mass murder of 14 people by a Vietnamese gunman at an immigrant center in NY and the shooting death of a US soldier at a recruiting center by a Muslim convert is deemed irrelevant, as it doesn't neatly fit the "right-wing extremism" frame.

That stereotyping brush you liberals wield, quite broad it is.

-A

The only threat that we in the US face today is the threat of rightwingnut wackadoodle terrorism. We need to keep Gitmo open, and send all the rightwing terrorists there, to be waterboarded as abortionists are in imminent danger. I would begin with Randall Terry, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and so forth. Anyone who protests outside an abortion clinic should be sent to Gitmo.

A, who said those were irrelevant? It's all relevant, and has been. The point is that conservatives want everyone to expressly dismiss extremism on the right, and are pushing it merely as part of their 'opposition party' posturing.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IMMIGRATION_ACTIVIST_KILLINGS_NMOL-?SITE=NMSAN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

In ones and zeros akin to not providing Dave Letterman fodder. When they came for me...

Couple this with an interesting article in the morning paper that said that people on the terrorist watch list, while barred from traveling on planes, are perfectly welcome to buy guns and on one case, explosives. And as per usual, the NRA is opposed to cracking down on sales of guns to suspected terrorists because they question the accuracy of the list.

A feast of irony.

It was the out-state wingnuts in the MO General Assembly who rely on the extremists described in that report to send them back to Jeff City - and after they have been there, they really have no desire to go back to Booger County and resume associating with the rabble that elects them.

I look for Governor Nixon to do something that resembles an end run around that decision. He ought to know code and statute better than anyone in the state, since he was the AG for the last 16 years.

but i betcha surveillance of quakers, wiccans, and any leftish groups deemed a threat to the homeland were never suspended and remain ongoing to this day.

Then make sure in the future your terrorist reports don't lump Ron Paul supporters, veterans those who talk alot about the Constiution with neo-Nazis and or Klansmen and maybe people won't complain.

Republicans are the only political party on Earth whose purpose is to institutionalize crime as an ideal in and of itself.

What do they do that isn't the same thing a mafioso would do?

'We don't want no activist judges'

Reduced funding for law enforcement

'Health' care, you know, it's pertection --like insurance!

All the guns you can carry anywhere you want to carry them

Fuck rules, we want a czar!

Regulations? You kiddin me? What business is that of yours?

Could you even begin to imagine what the reaction would be if mainstream Muslims started arguing that the government should stop talking about Al Qaeda and other Islamist extremists because it makes them look bad?

And, could you imagine the reaction if the government complied with that request? Amazing.

Not startling at all. Some of us remember that the GOP's reaction to OKC was to invite militia nuts to testify as to their grievances in front of Congress. Of course when they started to blame tornadoes on the Jewish conspiracy, the hearings were quietly dropped.

I have never understood why the conservatives have been so willing to feel that the DHS report was aimed at them. As a progressive, it never entered my mind that the report referred to the majority of conservatives. To me the word "extremist" refers to someone outside of the main group, at the edge of the group, outliers, and those not generally accepted by the majority of the group. This huge outcry indicates something to me, and that is that when the report was issued, many conservatives either saw themselves as extremists or support the extremist elements attached to, or within, their group. Why else would mainstream conservatives react as they did? I would think that their position would have been to acknowledge that these elements were there and to rebuke them for any harmful actions they may want to carry out. This would have made Americans know that mainstream conservatives were willing to disassociate themselves from the extremists.
The conservatives fully embraced and defended the right-wing extremists when they chose to scream as loudly as they could about the report instead of renouncing the extremists. This failure to renounce their actions could be interpreted as acceptance of the extremist faction and consent for them to carry out their plans. It would have been wonderful if someone within the conservative movement would have reacted rationally instead of emotionally to the report.

Then make sure in the future your terrorist reports don't lump Ron Paul supporters, veterans those who talk alot about the Constiution with neo-Nazis and or Klansmen and maybe people won't complain.

Haven't you gone Galt yet? What you seem to be saying is that if they just ignore relevant data to keep from hurting the feelings of you libertairian tough guys, you would be cool with it.

As for the Veterans component, like it or not, that is relevant data. The worst act of domestic terrorism this country has seen was perpetrated by a veteran with the help of some of his Army buddies. It is a fact that white supremacists join the military for the training that the military will provide.

Sorry the facts make you uncomfortable. No...on second thought I'm not. Violent domestic terrorists are your brethren not mine. So go ahead and squirm.

Sean,
Bush ordered the report in 2008. There was also a DHS report issued on left-wing extremists in January 2009. Information is now out about how the number of right-wing extremists in the U.S. military has increased since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The military now has overt members of white supremacists groups who openly admit that they go into the military to acquire skills they can use to advance their causes. Some leaders of white suprmacist organizations readily admit that they encourage their members to get specialized training they can use against the rest of us when they leave the military.
Salon has info on this subject.

I actually had this in my nightly news roundup back on the 10th.

Timing could be better here, don't you think? The very day that a white supremacist and right wing extremist committed murder at the National Holocaust Museum, the Missouri State Highway Patrol told a special interim House panel that the state 'fusion center' will not be producing any more intelligence reports. Never mind the fact that the report that was leaked to the press last spring about third-party supporters and militia involvement was every bit as on-the-mark as the DHS report on right-wing extremists. (I'm sure it's just a coincidence that wingnuts of the batshit-insane variety hold the Missouri House, the state patrol was before a House panel, and the people the patrol was concerned about make up the base of the deranged idiots the patrol was testifying before.)

A, perhaps the deadliest domestic terrorist plot uncovered so far after 9/11 was that of a right-wing extremist group, it makes the Liberty City and other AQ-type plots look like the Three Stooges by comparison:

The Tyler poison gas plot was an American attempt at domestic terrorism thwarted in April 2003 with the arrest of three individuals in Tyler, Texas and the seizure of a cyanide gas bomb along with a large arsenal that included at least 100 other conventional bombs, machine guns, an assault rifle, an unregistered silencer, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition.[1][2] The chemical stockpile seized included sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, nitric acid and acetic acid.[1]

The three individuals were linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups. They were:[1]

* William J. Krar, originally from New Hampshire
* Judith Bruey, Krar's common-law wife
* Edward Feltus of Old Bridge, New Jersey

Feltus was a member of the New Jersey Militia. Krar was suspected of making his living travelling across the country selling bomb components and other weapons to violent underground anti-government groups.[1] Federal authorities had their eye on Krar since at least 1995 when ATF agents investigated a possible plot to bomb government buildings, but Krar was not charged.[2] Since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks their attention was focused on middle-eastern terrorist activities and were only alerted to Krar's recent activities by accident when he mailed Feltus a package of counterfeit birth certificates from North Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia, and United Nations Multinational Force and Defence Intelligence Agency IDs.[2] The package was mistakenly delivered to a Staten Island man who alerted police.[1]

On May 4, 2004 Krar was sentenced to 135 months in prison after he pled guilty to building and possessing chemical weapons. Ms. Bruey was sentenced to 57 months after pleading to "conspiracy to possess illegal weapons". [3]

whereas the mass murder of 14 people by a Vietnamese gunman at an immigrant center in NY and the shooting death of a US soldier at a recruiting center by a Muslim convert is deemed irrelevant, as it doesn't neatly fit the "right-wing extremism" frame.

They're not deemed irrelevant, they're deemed random acts or outliers. The intelligence shows that the worst concern right now is right-wing extremists, and the intelligence has been shown to be correct.

I really don't think we're going to see a rash of Vietnamese people shooting up public places. As for kooks who hate the military or the government and say they have converted to Islam as a convenient way of channeling that rage, they aren't much different than the neo-Nazis. Except that they are so uncommon as to almost be nonexistent.

They may talk about it less in public now, but law-enforcement and intel officials tell NEWSWEEK they're quietly scrutinizing threats from Christian extremists on the far right just as carefully as those from the Christianists' fellow members of the far right, Islamic extremists.

Newsweak article fixed.

"First they came for the conservatives, and I did not protest, for I was not a conservative..."

If some lib stormtroopers weren't so blindly partisan, they might find fusion centers a bit more ominous than conservatives.