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June 22, 2009

WHEN STRONG VOTER TURNOUT IS TOO STRONG.... On Friday, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei delivered a speech in Tehran arguing that he would find allegations of election fraud more plausible if "perhaps 100,000 votes, or 500,000" were in question.

By late yesterday, officials were telling a slightly different story.

Locked in a continuing bitter contest Monday with Iranians who say the presidential elections were rigged, the authorities here acknowledged that the number of votes cast in 50 cities exceeded the actual number of voters, state television reported following assertions by the country's supreme leader that the ballot was fair.

But the authorities insisted that discrepancies, which could affect three million votes, did not violate Iranian law and the country's influential Guardian Council said it was not clear whether they would decisively change the election result.

Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, the spokesman for the Guardian Council, described the discrepancy as a "normal phenomenon." How encouraging.

This was one of several noteworthy developments from yesterday afternoon in Iran. This NYT piece, for example, suggests there's growing divisions within Iran's elite.

A bitter rift among Iran's ruling clerics deepened Sunday over the disputed presidential election that has convulsed Tehran in the worst violence in 30 years, with the government trying to link the defiant loser to terrorists and detaining relatives of his powerful backer, a founder of the Islamic republic. [...]

Earlier, the police detained five relatives of Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president who leads two influential councils and openly supported Mr. Moussavi's election. The relatives, including Mr. Rafsanjani's daughter, Faezeh Hashemi, were released after several hours.

The developments, coming one day after protests here in the capital and elsewhere were crushed by police officers and militia members using guns, clubs, tear gas and water cannons, suggested that Ayatollah Khamenei was facing entrenched resistance among some members of the elite. Though rivalries have been part of Iranian politics since the 1979 revolution, analysts said that open factional competition amid a major political crisis could hinder Ayatollah Khamenei's ability to restore order.

The crackdown on journalists also continued yesterday, with 24 reporters and bloggers taken into custody, including Newsweek's Maziar Bahari.

And the video of "Neda," a young woman who died on a Tehran street after reportedly being shot by Iranian security forces, has quickly become an iconic image and a rallying cry for demonstrators. Time's report argues that her death "may have changed everything."

The painful video is online, but if you haven't seen it, please know that it's extremely disturbing and is most certainly not safe for work.

Steve Benen 8:00 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (26)
 
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>there's growing divisions within Iran's elite.

Oh please, not you too --

Your English is usually excellent but you've fallen into the pop habit of "there's X" when X is plural. Use "there are" -- it won't kill you. :)

Posted by: ThatTallGuy on June 22, 2009 at 8:05 AM | PERMALINK

You know, if you are going to steal an election you really ought to consult with the Bush family before hand. They know how to steal a close election. It is done by having the Diebold machines record a few extra votes here, while suppressing few votes there. Pretty soon your candidate has 50% + 1 or as George might call it, a real mandate.

It isn't done by stuffing ballot boxes with more votes than there are voters. That is so 19th century.

Modern election stealing is a Republican specialty. A real high art. It is the highest achievement of 21st century American information technology. The Supreme Leader would have been well advised to have consulted with Karl Rove a couple of months ago.

Posted by: Ron Byers on June 22, 2009 at 8:16 AM | PERMALINK

lol, you're spot on Ron Byers.

Too true and too funny...yet so sad.

Posted by: A.Political on June 22, 2009 at 8:21 AM | PERMALINK

I continue to not understand how the Amerikan Sheeple can be guided into such outrage over a stolen election in Iran, when the Amerikan presidential elections in 2000 & 2004 were stolen.

It appears to be a continuation of 'do as I say, not as I do'.

Posted by: AngryOldVet on June 22, 2009 at 8:28 AM | PERMALINK

Netanyahu (Net ten yahoo) is pleased with the courage of the fearless popular Persian cries for fairness and justice .
He he , I wonder ...
Will he ask his tailor to let out his suit for his natural growth ?
Or will he just continue being a person who finds facts and reality an inhuman restraint on his Gifts from God .

Posted by: FRP on June 22, 2009 at 8:38 AM | PERMALINK

I recommend Ron Byers comment

Posted by: par4 on June 22, 2009 at 8:39 AM | PERMALINK

The US would be well advised to change our national election to the summer. It would increase participation by voters as the weather could be ever so much nicer than November. Just follow the lead of the Iranians. The 141 per cent turn out in Taft has been attributed by an official from the Ministry of Elections to the splendid weather in the province. Yep, bring out the sun and droves and droves will appear. In olden days had Chicago changed elections to the summer, more stiffs would have elevated themselves from the grave to vote again and again or take in a Cubs game, whichever came first.

Posted by: berttheclock on June 22, 2009 at 8:45 AM | PERMALINK

Ron Byers - Great
Why are the neocons so worried now about the Iranian people, when cheerleader in chief McCain wanted to bomb bomb Iran.

Posted by: JS on June 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM | PERMALINK

Personally, I don't think most Americans are so much outraged with electoral irregularities in Iran as they are ecstatic over watching the Khamenei/Ahmadinejad regime get it's nose bloodied -- or the prospect that it might be overthrown, even though few of us understand what would likely replace the current regime if the protests were successful.

Posted by: beep52 on June 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM | PERMALINK

It's good to know that this sort of "over voting" has only been recorded in the US in St. Louis and Philadelphia

Perhaps it's this record that has gotten Obama's tongue

Posted by: Neo on June 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK

How do you spell Kent State in Farsi?

I would like to note that ThatTallGuy is entirely correct. "There are" is the proper phrase, and contracting it to "there's" simply doesn't work.
In the interest of making grammar pedants foam at the mouth, I use "there're" and I suggest you do too
if you're comfortable with that kind of passive-aggressive stuff.

Posted by: kenga on June 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK

The Guardian Council now admits that there were more votes than voters in 50 cities, with those excessive votes adding up to 3 Mio, yet claims that this has not substantially affected the outcome of the election.

So, the regime has now openly admitted to systematic fraud, what else is 50 cities and 3 Million fake voters, but either believe they can still dress up that goat, I'm talking about Ahmadinejad, as the legitimate winner, or, and probably more likely, they are scared sh*tless about the possibility of an open takeover by the Revolutionary Guards.

It seems that whatever now happens, the old regime of the mullah's is damaged goods and past its peak. Even if Ahmadinejad prevails, Kahmenei and the Guardian Counsel have lost legitimacy with millions of the Iranian people.

Posted by: SRW1 on June 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM | PERMALINK

Er. Ron Buyers. I believe you have earned your mandate. Spot on.

Posted by: Scott F. on June 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM | PERMALINK

Sounds like Kathleen Harris has a hand in this somewhere.

And is it Supreme Leader or Dear Leader? I keep getting the two mixed up.

Posted by: pj in jesusland on June 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM | PERMALINK

There has been more coverage of election irregularities in Iran than in Ohio and Florida in 2004.

Now why is that?

How any American can point to Iran in shock and awe over its elections while ignoring the shams and scams that pass for our own elections is a scenario right out of the alternate reality playbook of Karl Rove.

Posted by: rrk1 on June 22, 2009 at 10:52 AM | PERMALINK
Locked in a continuing bitter contest Monday with Iranians who say the presidential elections were rigged, the authorities here acknowledged that the number of votes cast in 50 cities exceeded the actual number of voters, state television reported following assertions by the country's supreme leader that the ballot was fair.

Its perhaps worth noting that the officials only acknowledged that there were some irregulaties and claimed that they occurred in only 50 cities (and "only" about 3 million votes were directly attributable to the excess voters) in response to claims by the opposition that this had occurred in 170 cities.


Posted by: cmdicely on June 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK
There has been more coverage of election irregularities in Iran than in Ohio and Florida in 2004.

Now why is that?

Uh, because Mousavi didn't concede? There was a lot more US coverage of the election controversy in 2000 in the US than either the US one in 2004 or even the Iranian one now—because it was both local and actively contested.

Posted by: cmdicely on June 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM | PERMALINK

Just to go show you that when you cheat....they just cheated too much.

Posted by: Carrie on June 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM | PERMALINK

You liberals all the same. You jump up and down when 3 terrorits were waterboarded in gitmo. Oh the human rights were violated. Those poor terrorists. You have people getting shot in the streets for no other reason then just speaking their mind. Your response is "Whatever." You are all frauds. I just get a kick of how intolerant you liberals are to non-liberals. How much hate you have. So much hate you have become cold to others suffering unless it helps you politcally.

Posted by: jason on June 22, 2009 at 4:19 PM | PERMALINK

Jason, you are as much a liar or unable to "read" people as you are semi-literate. We do care about the Iranian protesters. We also realize that for Obama to say or meddle too much will backfire and hurt their cause (something the dishonest idiot Krauthammer completely neglects to even mention in his latest put-down of Obama for not saying this or that. Total professional dishonesty and disgrace, to not even *address* the issue, even if it could have been challenged.)

So, you and your neocon/Likudnik friends care so much about the Iranians? Enough to bomb them, embargo, maybe ruin their economy to keep them from having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power? "Being cold to others suffering unless it helps you politically." Asshats.

Posted by: N ♪ on June 22, 2009 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK

"Locked in a continuing bitter contest Monday with Iranians who say the presidential elections were rigged, the authorities here acknowledged that the number of votes cast in 50 cities exceeded the actual number of voters"

Turns out this is neither unusual or anything that hasn't occurred previously.

Unlike this country, where we must vote in the local district where we are registered, in Iran, where they have national IDs, citizens can vote anywhere in the nation that they happen to be at the time by presenting their national ID, voting, then having it stamped that they voted.

It is quite normal for people to vote in the district they happen to be in while vacationing, visiting relatives, or conducting business. That is why you can have more votes in a particular district than the number of registered voters in that district.


"But the authorities insisted that discrepancies, which could affect three million votes, did not violate Iranian law and the country's influential Guardian Council said it was not clear whether they would decisively change the election result."

Yes, they did not say there were 3 million so-called overvotes, but that the so-called overvotes were part of 3 million votes cast.

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