Do "red" states have a lock on morality and virtue?

Florida is pretty high on the online porn list. Did somebody find that fountain of youth?

"Missouri's Cynthia Davis (R) is pretty extraordinary" Michele, we found your half sister!

Danp,

"Florida is pretty high on the online porn list."

Perhaps all that MOIST, HOT, STICKY weather ?

We need to press conservatives on the following hypocrisy check: You think it was so right to support Mousavi over a crooked election (that Ahmadinejad may well have won anyway, by a smaller margin) and even to gripe at Obama for not supporting the (unevenly "better") Mousavi and his supporters. So, will you support condemn the Honduran military coup and support protesters - or will you consider that Zelaya was a "leftist" and shrug or even root for his being ousted? Well?

You all make juvenile, profanity-laden jokes when I quote hard-hitting investigator Jerome Corsi.

No less an American icon than Pat Boone has accepted Corsi's expertise. What do you have to say now?

eastcoast offshore wind

A better US investment than rescuing GM.

recovering energy from municipal waste

Every erg helps.

Another pajamas media tirade...

... soldiers stormed the presidential palace in the capital, Tegucigalpa, early in the morning, disarming the presidential guard, waking Mr. Zelaya and putting him on a plane to Costa Rica.

Mr. Zelaya, a leftist aligned with President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, angrily denounced the coup as illegal. "I am the president of Honduras," he insisted at the airport in San José, Costa Rica, still wearing his pajamas.

I'm not sure about this "coup" business. Articles 205 and 239 of the Honduran Constitution suggest that there may be Constitutional grounds for what has happened. Strangely, the Constitution does in fact make it illegal for a president to initiate anything that might extend his own rule. Another article says the president can be dismissed at will by the Congress.

I'm wary of referring to it as a "military coup" since a general has not been placed in charge, and in fact their Constitution's line of succession was followed when the Congress named Micheletti interim president.

It's a strange process that raises a lot of questions, but it appears that the process may fit within their Constitution. I need to know more, though.

"Pat Boone was never a good entertainer..". And yet his impersonation of Little Richard singing Tutti Fruitti will forever remain comedy gold.

Today, on right wing radio, I heard some alarmingly incendiary rhetoric about
how Obama plans to extinquish the elderly, just wipe them out, euthanize and destroy them.
This was just about the direct quote.
It was "The WarRoom, with Quinn and Rose." Pittsburgh, PA.
Media Matters for American has mentioned their craziness before.
I tried calling into the radio station to oppose such fear mongering, but was on hold too long.
These desperate extremists need checked and exposed.

* At an event this morning at the Center for American Progress, Tom Daschle said, "I don't think the public option is dead at all. I think it's very much alive."

That's the worst news of the day for people like me who think the public option is a necessity in any health care reform package. I hate that fucking douchebag.

* Most senators are heading home this week. Max Baucus isn't -- he has health care homework to finish. -- Steve Benen

That's his excuse and he's sticking to it, but it's not, necessarily, the truth. My guess is he's too scared to face his constituents back home, due to his effed up positions on public option. He's ducked townhalls at home before, sending minions instead; I figure, this time around, the minions weren't willing to front for him and get the drubbing he so richly deserves.

Algernon, you have no idea how glad I am to read those words you just typed. I said the same thing in my midnight news roundup last night.

With Katrina vande Heuvel on MSNBC, I feel better about challenges to the ever-deceptive and even laughable right wing obstructionists such as Tancredo, with his outrageous extremist allegations of Obama having a socialist apple in dealing with health care.
It is the Republicans that remain toxic assets.
Talk about carbon emissions.
Enlightened voters, please disregard the current and empty public relations campaign of these hapless Republicans. Yes you can.

Re: Bizarre incident in Encinitas. I used to live in that area and also worked for Francine Busby's first campaign.

She's not all that smart or decisive but I doubt her crew was causing a ruckus. People are strange down that way. When I lived there people were partying every weekend, not to mention Amtrak running every hour so you get used to the noise. But of course when I had my fiftieth birthday party and had a band, they sent the sheriff twice! Neighborhood bitching is a notorious North County past-time.

My home town was founded with the help of Pat Boone. Strangely, the only remnants of that are some photos at the civic golf course.

Now the town is promoted by Erik Estrada... http://www.google.com/search?rls=en-us&q=estrada+ocean+shores

Life is weird, huh?

I'm sorry, but those new low-energy light bulbs are NOT going to be good for the environment. Their contents are highly toxic and there is no easy way to dispose of them.

Joe and Jane Sixpack may be forced to buy them, but think they're going to recycle them properly? Hell, I live in one of the most "ecological" parts of the country, and if there is no place HERE to recycle them, what's going to happen in Podunk, WE (Wherever)? They're going to be thrown in the trash, where they might break IN the house, and poison the kids, or where they WILL break in the landfill and poison the air and water.

Bad, bad, bad idea.

Myke if you believe Corsi, I have a bridge to sell you.

Reuters is reporting the army is now engaging in a media blackout in Honduras. Not good.

So the fact that these lightbulbs have been available for decades, and that you don't know how to recycle them, means it's a bad idea? Search your local garbage service, and I'll bet there is a way to recycle them. Just because mercury is toxic does not mean that it is impossible to recycle.

Question, though...

What's the difference in birther minds between a certificate of live birth and a birth certificate?

That's 150 years too few for Madoff and all his victims.

Not even a single letter attesting to any good works/attributes arrived before the judge.

To the graphic on red vs blue states, one could have added the percentage of federal dollars coming in vs going out, which would illustrate the prevalence of "taker" states among red states.

In an online comment on an article about food safety, one person wrote something like:

-- I think the country's food supply is safe, but it needs to be regulated more closely. Still, I am against big government. --

It was strange to see this single post that negated itself several times.

What's the difference in birther minds between a certificate of live birth and a birth certificate?

Everything, obviously. They've found some stupid f-ing difference in wording and imagine they've unlocked the secrets to Obama's deception. I'm sure these are the same people who think Elvis is still alive based upon the the misspelled middle name on his gravestone. Desperate people believe desperate things.

I visited my folks a few weeks ago and found out that my dad is a birther. He knew absolutely nothing of the background story, even to the point of thinking that Obama's mom was almost deported because she was here illegally (he was thinking of Obama's dad's half-sister I believe), but all the same, he was absolutely convinced that it was true. And again, we're already many months into the man's presidency, yet my dad knows so little about Obama that he didn't even know which of his parents was from Kenya. And yes, we were listening to Limbaugh on his car radio at the time.

The Supreme Court took the highly unusual step today to announce that it will be hearing a case in early September instead of waiting for the normal October start time, which puts pressure on the Senate to get to the business of confirming Judge Sotomayor.

Sorry, Crissa, but my local garbage company does not take them (theoretically--they take them if they don't know they're in the trash. Not that I do that).

It is a two-hour round trip, by car, to the nearest place that DOES take them. Now THAT'S ecological!

So far, I'm wrapping them in tape (as recommended) and waiting until I need to go near there to take them in.

But my point was not that I cannot recycle them, but that "average people" will just throw them away, as they are used to doing with incandescent bulbs.

So, will you support condemn the Honduran military coup and support protesters - or will you consider that Zelaya was a "leftist" and shrug or even root for his being ousted? Well?

Posted by: Neil B

You must know that Zelaya was violating the constitution of Honduras and the Congress asked the army to oust him. Right ?

So Obama can't bring himself to say anything harsh about Iran bashing kids heads in and shooting them because we have "a history" there, but Honduras is OK ? Obama and Castro and Chavez will invade to put the leftist dictator back on his throne ?

You really have Groucho beaten. He said "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."

Obama as Groucho.

aka Cassandra

Rush Limbaugh's faithful listeners have half their brains tied behind their backs. Sorry for your dad, Biobrain.

"You must know that Zelaya was violating the constitution of Honduras and the Congress asked the army to oust him. Right?"

Requesting a non-binding referendum may have technically been violating the Constitution, but it ain't exactly an egregious power grab. Like, say, a coup.

"So Obama can't bring himself to say anything
harsh about Iran bashing kids heads in and shooting them because we have "a history" there, but Honduras is OK ? "

Yeah, I'm going to stop you right there, since that's just a straight up lie. Obama threaded that needle perfectly. Maybe not enough for you all in the 101st Fighting Keyboardists, but as far as, you know, leading competently, he did just fine.

"Obama and Castro and Chavez will invade to put the leftist dictator back on his throne ?"

What is that? Is that even an argument? It never fails to amaze or depress me - just how stupid y'all seem to think Americans are. Who suggested invading anything? The President's job is to stand up for freedom and democracy, even when the government in question might not be our ideal. This guy was democratically elected - full stop. We support his right to govern. If he breaks the law, sure, he can be arrested. But it ought to involve a trial, not a midnight plane to San Jose. And if that opinion happens to NOT give Chavez a cudgel to whale on us with, so much the better.
Do y'all ever think before you talk? Ever?

So Obama can't bring himself to say anything harsh about Iran bashing kids heads in and shooting them because we have "a history" there, but Honduras is OK?

And when Obama's words helped foment a bloody revolution in Iran you would laud him? What if it ended up creating an even more hard line theocracy: would you blame him? If it ended up installing Mousavi as president and he continued to pursue a nuclear program and consolidated more power to the presidency, you would then say...what?

In every instance you would say whatever you thought would score cheap political points and distract from the spectacular failure of the economic and foreign policy ideas you have supported for years.

It's disheartening to watch wingnuts try and improve their domestic political position by playing politic with the lives of people in other countries.

Madoff 150 years...

No mention of his property in Tobago (Trinidad & Tobago), apparently, his property and land is "the size of a small private island."

The thing about some parts of the Caribbean, secrecy can be had for a price. In fact, some countries you can buy citizenship - passport... or just residency.

Mike your arguments are as impotent as your party.

Go suck a tea bag, you old dried up fool.

Is Stonewall repeating itself in Texas? Nope.

At Stonewall the patrons rioted and attacked the police. In Fort Worth the police rioted and attacked the patrons, by reports singling out effeminate-seeming men for special abuse. That's the kind of stuff that Stonewall ended (or began to).

Some background research in this area might be a good idea, as it's a surprising, even glaring fail in your otherwise exemplary coverage.

Two rules to note from today's mini report.
1) NEVER ask a middle aged woman her age. If you do, expect to get hit.
2) Never trust anyone who wears white shoes.

First, the Honduran Supreme Court ordered the military to remove Zelaya. This was applauded by Congress. In other words, every branch of the Honduran government saw Zelaya for who he was and what he was doing: attempting to install an autocratic regime. How many Latin American despots started the same way as Zelaya?

The Honduran Constitution explicitly forbids presidents to do what Zelaya was trying to do. Score one for democracy and rule of law.

For shame on Obama, Castro, Chavez and the other world leaders trying to support a thug like Zelaya.

And when Obama's words helped foment a bloody revolution in Iran you would laud him?

Sometimes you have to spill blood to obtain freedom. You were probably too busy singing "We Are the World" to register for selective service so I doubt you understand this concept.

If it ended up installing Mousavi as president and he continued to pursue a nuclear program and consolidated more power to the presidency, you would then say...what?

You don't get it. There's a good guy and a bad guy here. Mousavi isn't Ahmadinejad. Maybe he's not perfect but he wouldn't do the things Ahmadinejad has done. Not that we'll ever find out since The One isn't enough of a man to use U.S. influence to resolve this once and for all.

In every instance you would say whatever you thought would score cheap political points

Whatever. While we're on the subject of cheap political points why don't you go back to trying to ruin a good health care system by sowing discontent among patients.

It's disheartening to watch wingnuts try and improve their domestic political position by playing politic with the lives of people in other countries.

Liberals do the same thing: ever since 2003, when they started saying "pull out the troops!" once Saddam was defeated. Liberals knew this would leave the nascent Iraqi state open to more violence and bloodshed, but that didn't matter. What mattered was being against Bush, damn the costs.

A Democratic president got us into Vietnam, then liberals spent years decrying the Vietnam war, blaming it on - shocker - Republicans. To top it off, they spent years attacking the Vietnam veterans as "baby killers." But hey, the liberals scored political points - damn the consequences.

Murtha spent how much time labeling the Haditha Marines as traitors. Did he ever apologize when they were cleared? Nope. Murtha scored political points at the expense of innocent Marines, all the while larding his constituency with porkbarrel defense contracts

Did Nifong or the liberal press or the liberal Duke establishment ever apologize to the Duke lacrosse players that they slandered and dragged through the mud. Nope. Liberals used the Duke lacrosse story for political gain. When it turned out to be nothing but vicious lies (mostly propogated by themselves) they walked away. No harm, no foul. Selena Roberts, the reporter who tried and convicted the lacrosse players in the court of the media, never once issued a mea culpa.

Get off of your high horse.

Sometimes you have to spill blood to obtain freedom. You were probably too busy singing "We Are the World" to register for selective service so I doubt you understand this concept.

Fascinating tidbit: in the original video for that song, I was slated to sing a line between Huey Lewis and Cyndi Lauper -- but Huey was intimidated by my vocal chops as a relative unknown (I'm good friends with Dan Ackroyd, who is good friends with fellow paranormal enthusiast Lionel Richie, which is how I got in). If you listen carefully to the song you can hear a rough spot where my line should have gone and there is just some low incoherent mumbling as Huey struggles with my part.

As for selective service, I'm a peace-loving Quaker, as evidenced by the tenor of my remarks here, which is why I haven't signed up to fight in an any recent wars -- including illegal ones ginned up for fun and profit!

As for selective service, I'm a peace-loving Quaker

Is that what the kids are calling cowards these days?

Get off of your high horse.

Stop fucking yours and telling us you're riding it.

Liberals do the same thing: ever since 2003, when they started saying "pull out the troops!" once Saddam was defeated. Liberals knew this would leave the nascent Iraqi state open to more violence and bloodshed, but that didn't matter. What mattered was being against Bush, damn the costs.

Let's parse that little bit of wonderment, shall we? You have your time line a little out of order. Liberals warned of violence and bloodshed BEFORE the invasion, saying it was inevitable given the sectarian makeup.

They were told they were wrong, treasonous, and unpatriotic.

After Saddam was "defeated" we were told by conservetards that everything was peachy in Iraq, just a few "dead-enders" here and there, and don't question our great and glorious success. So did liberals know something the Bush administration didn't? And if so, why weren't they listened to?

Did Nifong or the liberal press or the liberal Duke establishment ever apologize to the Duke lacrosse players that they slandered and dragged through the mud.

Those poor, elite white guys. They have it so tough. Truly the suffering of the Iraqis pales in comparison to that of thosee wealthy fraternity boys.

Neo,

"A Democratic president got us into Vietnam"

Say what ?

July 8, 1959 - Two U.S. military advisors, Maj. Dale Buis and Sgt. Chester Ovnand, are killed by Viet Minh guerrillas at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. They are the first American deaths in the Second Indochina War which Americans will come to know simply as The Vietnam War.

A Democratic president got us into Vietnam

Ike was a Republican...unless Fox News recently showed another misidentifying graphic.

so if Daschle's saying the "public option" is alive, i guess that means its deader than a door nail.
.

Neo on Honduras:

The Honduran Constitution explicitly forbids presidents to do what Zelaya was trying to do. Score one for democracy and rule of law.

Okay, but what is the legal procedure in this event? Why arrest the guy in his pajamas and boot him out of the country? Where's the due process?

I'm honestly confused here.

Myke K,

I'm not sure if the "swine" you've been eating is affecting your brain, or if it's the oxycontin. Either way, you can stand behind the GOP 100% for what it's worth.

Make no mistake in the matter, you are just a "vote" to the GOP. Nothing more, nothing less.

This site is not a place for you to try to convert people, we're not looking to be saved by your political party or it's hypocritical church values. We have better comprehensive skills than you or the sheep that follow your way of thinking or life. We communicate with each other and share our ideas, and have open-minds, whereas, you and your party like to bully, intimidate people to conform to your way of thinking.

Yes, you can have your say here. That's the difference between the people here and your people-we may call you out on your stupidity, but, we won't make statements like Joe the Plumber that "Sen. Dodd should be strung."

I do, however, would like to know if you understand the meaning "A mind is a terrible thing to waste?"

Sorry chaps. A Democratic president started the ground war in Vietnam. I've yet to hear any liberal castigate LBJ for escalating Vietnam to a full-fledged ground war. Blame him and shower him with "baby killer" instead of the veterans who were serving their country.

Liberals warned of violence and bloodshed BEFORE the invasion, saying it was inevitable given the sectarian makeup.

That happens with every war: violence and bloodshed. It is inevitable whether or not there was a "sectarian makeup."

And FYI: George Bush, from the beginning, said the Iraq war would take a long time.

What irks you to no end is that Iraq is actually working, proving you liberals so very wrong. That's what is so galling: you want Iraq to fail. You want all those innocent people to die so you can be proved right.

Myke K,

Okay, I think I get, you are an angry soul with a ampitated spirit.

Okay, but what is the legal procedure in this event? Why arrest the guy in his pajamas and boot him out of the country? Where's the due process?

I'm guessing the due process was the Supreme Court ordering his removal. The Honduran Congress formally removed Zelaya. What you don't hear is that Micheletti, who Congress tapped as interim president, is from Zelaya's party.

This doesn't smell like a coup at all. It looks like the government worked together to ensure Zelaya didn't install himself as some sort of populist dictator. This wasn't some military coup to prevent keep or expand the military's power over the government.

Neo,

I'll take a bet on this one, you have guns!!!!

You should read, and re-read what you have written, then ask someone to help you understand what you have written.

I do have a question for you, "who are you really mad it?"

****Sad to see so many people in this country that love guts & blood.

Neo,

"Sorry chaps. A Democratic president started the ground war in Vietnam."

Nope.

Eisenhower had ground troops there at least three years before JFK was inaugurated.

"And FYI: George Bush, from the beginning, said the Iraq war would take a long time."

To lose ?

Oh, and again, why did Chimpy illegally invade ?

It's been interesting reading the Right and Left blogs regarding the Honduras coup.
The Right sees this as Obama supporting Castro and Chavez - since they oppose the coup too. While some on the Left think Obama is in support of the coup and may even have odd ties to it since the military there was trained by US forces.

How about this? The coup was illegal by most all definitions laid out by legal standards because the president was democratically elected.

Sorry chaps. A Democratic president started the ground war in Vietnam.

Wrong, you've just been shown it was a Republican who started it. Sorry chap!

I've yet to hear any liberal castigate LBJ for escalating Vietnam to a full-fledged ground war

Johnson was roundly criticized by member of his own party for the war, including Senators Frank Church and George McGovern and Gaylord Nelson. Whoops -- sorry chap! I guess it pays to know history before shooting your mouth off.

And FYI: George Bush, from the beginning, said the Iraq war would take a long time.

Not even close. Rumsfeld's initial plan was for troops to be withdrawn within six months. This is borne out by estimates of various administration officials putting the cost anywhere from $30-$100 billion. Wolfowitz argued that it would pay for itself!

And Cheney famously predicted it would be a "cakewalk." Sorry chap!

Mike,

"Obama and Castro and Chavez will invade to put the leftist dictator back on his throne ?"

Actually, it would be a hoot to see Chavez have his military invade Honduras and reinstall the democratically elected President Zelaya.

The heads of the American RightWing would explode trying to decide which side to come down on.

I will keep mum on the Honduran crisis as much as possible.

I will await the outcome. I will await to see what our "so-called enemies" have to say, in light of our military base their Honduras.

Mike your arguments are as impotent as your party.

Go suck a tea bag, you old dried up fool.

Posted by: MissMudd

At least it won't be your tea bag.

Myke K,

I'm not sure if the "swine" you've been eating is affecting your brain, or if it's the oxycontin. Either way, you can stand behind the GOP 100% for what it's worth.

Make no mistake in the matter, you are just a "vote" to the GOP. Nothing more, nothing less.

Marvelous how you can read minds. You have no idea of the complexity of mine, or in fact most people's minds since your seems to be locked on Obama.

This site is not a place for you to try to convert people, we're not looking to be saved by your political party or it's hypocritical church values. We have better comprehensive skills than you or the sheep that follow your way of thinking or life. We communicate with each other and share our ideas, and have open-minds, whereas, you and your party like to bully, intimidate people to conform to your way of thinking.

That must be why you routinely delete my comments and, if they contain links, they are deleted even faster. You live in your little bubble and don't even know about other ideas.

Yes, you can have your say here. That's the difference between the people here and your people-we may call you out on your stupidity, but, we won't make statements like Joe the Plumber that "Sen. Dodd should be strung."

No, you routinely delete my comments. I wonder why. I suspect it has something to do with the Canadian councils that try to censor speech.

I do, however, would like to know if you understand the meaning "A mind is a terrible thing to waste?"

Posted by: annjell

I do and you have my deepest sympathy. I do compliment you on avoiding the usual obscenity that passes for argument here.

To Neo on Honduras:

This doesn't smell like a coup at all. It looks like the government worked together to ensure Zelaya didn't install himself as some sort of populist dictator. This wasn't some military coup to prevent keep or expand the military's power over the government.

I felt that way pretty much until the army stormed the presidential residence and exiled him. If the Congress and Supreme Court needs to sideline a president (or remove him from office), a legitimate process would involve a trial or hearing, not waking him up under armed guard and ejecting him from the country.

Having followed this for a week, I do know that Micheletti is from Zelaya's party. That doesn't make the process any less strange.

You have no idea of the complexity of mine

Unfortunately for you, Mike, we have a very good idea of the (lack of) complexity of yours. We have several years worth of posts illustrating quite nicely your rather astonishing ignorance. Your whining posts in this thread are a classic example.

That must be why you routinely delete my comments

No, Mike, your comments are occasionally deleted when they consist of nothing but mindless partisan drivel, wholly devoid of content and not worth the trouble to counter.

You live in your little bubble and don't even know about other ideas.

ROFL... Oh, the irony, coming from this poster. Sorry, Mike, but quite a few of us spend time on other sites.

No, you routinely delete my comments. I wonder why.

You already know why, Mike. You have done nothing but whine and attack ever since you first started posting here. Your very first thread here was a classic example.

I do compliment you on avoiding the usual obscenity that passes for argument here.

I would, one day, like to compliment you on a post of yours. Alas, you have never given me reason to do so.

Take a good look at your posts in this thread, Mike: ad hominem attacks, whining, and partisan drivel. You have written not one word in this entire thread that is worth reading. And yet we are supposed to somehow take you seriously? The mind boggles....

Okay Myke K or Mike K,

It's all coming together here - You are bipolar!!!

Not another Stonewall. Three of your accounts here have to do with a kind of vigilantism --- two involving law officers, another defacing Gay Pride posters at the Department of Labor. This is not the beginning of an uprising against such behavior. This is the beginning of "such behavior."

Remember the KKK? We're about to head in that direction again...

Okay Myke K or Mike K

One is a parody of the other. You'll have to decide for yourself which is which.

I've yet to hear any liberal castigate LBJ for escalating Vietnam to a full-fledged ground war. Blame him and shower him with "baby killer" instead of the veterans who were serving their country.

Are you absolutely fucking kidding me with this weak-ass shit? You've never heard the protest chant, "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" For Christ's sake, it's on the Lyndon B. Johnson Wikipedia page.

Neo wrote: I've yet to hear any liberal castigate LBJ for escalating Vietnam to a full-fledged ground war.

You're kidding, right? Your paranoia and ignrance makes you think no one disputed Vietnam until Nixon? You're ignorant of the fact that Vietnam protests started under Johnson? You've never heard "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Very popular back in the day, I understand.

The beef with Nixon was that he ran on having a "secret plan" to end the war, and once he got elected, revealed that the plan was to send more troops.

Jackass.

Speaking of jackasses, Mike K wrote: So Obama can't bring himself to say anything harsh about Iran bashing kids heads in and shooting them because we have "a history" there

You lie. Obama has strongly criticized Iran for its violence, and since he isn't as incompetenct as Bush, managed to shame the Iranian government on the world stage without giving them an excuse to paint the protestors as dupes of the US.

You can't be a lone truthteller in the liberal wilderness if you lie, Mike K, yet everything you post here is bullshit. And why not? You don't have any ideas you didn't get off some conservative blog -- where bullshit is their business -- and yet you whine about an echo chamber, you funny little man.

At least it won't be your tea bag.

Ha! Mikey made a funny.

At least you dumbasses know what that means now.

What's next I wonder? "Fapping for Jesus"?