The majority isn't always right. Fortunately for America, Congress knows better than the poorly informed voters who support this.

Hold steady against the bullying, Senators and Representatives.

the fact that joe lieberman is agst it is a trilling endorsement of the inevitablility of the public option...

otherwise

there will be a public option of pitchfork or torch and a public option of drive to washington dc, or take public transportation...

I do trust someone remembered to take that motto down from the Oval Office, last January 20th. The one which read "We never read poll numbers".

To me, the health care debate is one of the defining moments in our history in that never before have we had such clear lines being drawn between those who are for helping the majority of citizens in this country and those that place business interests over the clear will of the people.

I sincerely hope constituents are paying close attention to their representatives, for now more than ever, we are seeing who can be bought and sold by greedy special interests.

To me, the health care debate is one of the defining moments in our history in that never before have we had such clear lines being drawn between those who are for helping the majority of citizens in this country and those that place business interests over the clear will of the people.

I totally agree, and the Dems who are proving to be no different than Repubs in favoring their corporate contributors will deserve to lose, and I'll be resigned to the fact that there really isn't much difference b/w the parties when it comes to the most important issues such as this.
Can we please not prove Ralph Nader right?

If that's what the public wants, you can count on the Democrats to take it off the table.

The piece of trash that is Joe Lieberman campaigned on a public option for healthcare, he is now refusing to support it.He is one senator that needs to be targeted.

I agree that this is a defining issue, and moment, for the Demoscratic Party. There can be intra-party squabbles about lots of issues, but on this one we need strong party unity. If Senators Nelson Landrieu, and Liebermann can't support this, it is hard to care if they are replaced by Republicans. The GOP does not want health care reform, so saying NO is a victory for them. Their sole aim at this point is to drag down President Obama and the Democratic Party, not propose solutions to national problems.

And yes, I know, Liebermann is not really a Democrat ...

"To me, the health care debate is one of the defining moments in our history in that never before have we had such clear lines being drawn between those who are for helping the majority of citizens in this country and those that place business interests over the clear will of the people."

Let's not exaggerate too much, ok? It is a vitally important issue, that we agree on. But there have been many other times where the needs of the people butted heads with the wants of the wealthy and powerful. This is not even close to the first time when there were such clear lines between the two. Slavery, women's suffrage, the Great Depression, the list goes on.

Bottom line: this kind of stress between what needs to be done and what the elitists want is a very old story.

Shade, I'd agree with you on your point that this is not the first, nor will it be the last, battle between the plutocracy, the wealthy elite of America, and We the People.

But I don't think I have exaggerated the gravity of this debate. I see it like this: This is the perfect opportunity to weed out the corporate prostitutes in government, at least on the Democratic side. Republicans always have been and always will be whores for the titans if industry.

For so long we have been stuck in this right/left, liberal/conservative false paradigm. We don't have to settle for the lesser of two evils. I say use this debate to spotlight those democrats who would rather serve their corporate masters than the will of the people. I feel that progressives can make some real strides over the next few months, and hopefully by the 2010 election cycle, the lines will have been drawn and people will know who stands with them or with the companies that have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

"only 28 percent would choose to be covered by it"

So it would only immediately be the biggest, or maybe second biggest after medicare, insurance program in the country.

Only.

And how many of the other 72% are saying no because they are already covered by the government?

""American voters want their fellow countrymen to have the option of a public plan, but don't want a public plan for themselves because they are satisfied personally with their health care," said Peter Brown"

Yea, except for a meager 28% of voters who do want it for themselves.

28% is a HUGE fraction of voters.

BTW most of that 28% is going to be disappointed when they find out the public option won't be available to many people under the current plan. It is part of the insurance pool for individual insurance buyers and small businesses.

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To me, the health care debate is one of the defining moments in our history in that never before have we had such clear lines being drawn between those who are for helping the majority of citizens in this country and those that place business interests over the clear will of the people.

I totally agree, and the Dems who are proving to be no different than Repubs in favoring their corporate contributors will deserve to lose, and I'll be resigned to the fact that there really isn't much difference b/w the parties when it comes to the most important issues such as this.
Can we please not prove Ralph Nader right?

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Ralph Nader has been right all along... see "an unreasonable man"

Naderite, please explain how Gore would have acted identically to Bush between 2001 and 2009. Would our reaction to 9/11 been the same? Would Gore have put Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court? Would we have lost 8 years in addressing climate change? Now, I can understand that there is a lot of common ground between the parties when it comes to corporate influence, but let's not delude ourselves that there would have been no difference between Bush's performance and what Gore would have done. Nader played a role in getting Bush elected, and he has to live with that. I once admired Nader greatly, but it seems to me that he has descended into narcissism in a big way.

One poll said 83% favored it, the next said 76% and now we are down to 69%. As usual the constant yammering on the right has managed to cast doubt, which is why they do it. What is wrong with people in this country that they can be influenced by such stupidity?

AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY!

It’s official. America and the World are now in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. A World EPIDEMIC with potential catastrophic consequences for ALL of the American people. The first PANDEMIC in 41 years. And WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES will have to face this PANDEMIC with the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed World.

STAND READY AMERICA TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

We spend over twice as much of our GDP on healthcare as any other country in the World. And Individual American spend about ten times as much out of pocket on healthcare as any other people in the World. All because of GREED! And the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare system in America.

And while all this is going on, some members of congress seem mostly concern about how to protect the corporate PROFITS! of our GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT NATIONAL DISGRACE. A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DISGRACE that is in fact, totally valueless to the public health. And a detriment to national security, public safety, and the public health.

Progressive democrats the Tri-Caucus and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust public option for all Americans, with all of the minimum requirements progressive democrats demanded. If congress can not pass a robust public option with at least 51 votes and all robust minimum requirements, congress should immediately move to scrap healthcare reform and request that President Obama declare a state of NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Seizing and replacing all PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance plans with the immediate implementation of National Healthcare for all Americans under the provisions of HR676 (A Single-payer National Healthcare Plan For All).

Coverage can begin immediately through our current medicare system. With immediate expansion through recruitment of displaced workers from the canceled private sector insurance industry. Funding can also begin immediately by substitution of payroll deductions for private insurance plans with payroll deductions for the national healthcare plan. This is what the vast majority of the American people want. And this is what all objective experts unanimously agree would be the best, and most cost effective for the American people and our economy.

In Mexico on average people who received medical care for A-H1N1 (Swine Flu) with in 3 days survived. People who did not receive medical care until 7 days or more died. This has been the same results in the US. But 50 million Americans don’t even have any healthcare coverage. And at least 200 million of you with insurance could not get in to see your private insurance plans doctors in 2 or 3 days, even if your life depended on it. WHICH IT DOES!

If President Obama has to declare a NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY to rescue the American people from our healthcare crisis, he will need all the sustained support you can give him. STICK WITH HIM! He’s doing a brilliant job.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE!

THE BATTLE OF GOOD Vs EVIL!

Join the fight.

Contact congress and your representatives NOW! AND SPREAD THE WORD!

God Bless You

Jacksmith – WORKING CLASS

The WalMart idea of big employers insuring their employees would cover more people and certainly prevent any gov't plan(s) from becoming so huge.

It helps them maintain the large pool for their in-house insurance.

It doesn't allow their employees the same freedom of choice they would have outside that plan.

It does ensure their employees can be part of a large pool to get group rates.

It pushes other large employers to insure.

It pushes other large employers who might not want to insure to insure.

It really is a mixed bag of things. This might result in a more political decision than technical. It's hard to say just now.

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