July 6, 2009
BRZEZINSKI OFFERS FAKE AMERICANS A LESSON ON 'REAL' AMERICA.... Back in October, the McCain/Palin campaign caused a stir when it started drawing up dividing lines among Americans, based on their perceptions. Sarah Palin, for example, referred to smaller areas as "the real America," apparently not to be confused with the "fake" America.
I'd thought, at the time, that the political world learned a lesson. Arbitrary, romanticized notions of who does and doesn't qualify as "real" in the United States is a fool's errand. We're all Americans, regardless of our personal characteristics or the size of our hometown, and drawing up dividing lines is more than a little insulting -- especially to those of us who may not meet the conservative standards for "real."
It's a real shame MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski, who seems to be moving further and further to the right with each passing week, didn't learn the appropriate lessons from last fall. This morning, in an incoherent defense of Sarah Palin, Brzezinski said people attended Palin rallies during the campaign because "they agree with her." (Brilliant analysis. People attend rallies for politicians they like? Remarkable!)
Brzezinski added, "Look at the polls out there. Look at where people stand on life. Look what real Americans think.... In the cities where there are a little more liberal elite populations, you're not going to find what's representative of America."
Asked who the "real" Americans are, Brzezinski, perhaps unaware what the question meant, said, "I think [Palin's] views actually do." I don't know what this means. Perhaps I'm not "real" enough.
Brzezinski went on to complain that some in the "mainstream media" don't agree with Palin, but "real" Americans do. She said, more than once, "Look at the polls."
This is just sad. Four out of five Americans live in urban areas (for the record, I'm not one of them). Most Americans do not want to see Roe overturned. Indeed, most Americans reject Palin's worldview on most social, economic, foreign, or constitutional issues. Most Americans voted for and continue to support President Obama. I know this because I took Brzezinski's advice and I "looked at the polls."
It is the height of arrogance for a television personality to lecture her viewers on who qualifies as "real" and who doesn't. Even for "Morning Joe," this was a ridiculous and offensive display.
—Steve Benen 4:45 PM
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I guess real Americans all stand in front of the barn with a frown and a pitchfork.
Posted by: Danp on July 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
And what does Mika know about rural America? She has lived in cities and suburbs her entire life, except for her college years in a very liberal rural county of Massachusetts.
Posted by: Xenos on July 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM | PERMALINK
Joe kinds of dumps all over her in a pretty hilarious way, beginning with "the cities we live in" crack.
Posted by: Phil on July 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK
I think Morning Joe's cast is cracking up.
Posted by: Bill on July 6, 2009 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK
Come on Steve - Morning Joe is easily the dumbest lineup of commentators on television. It isn't really fair to criticize them because they're clearly so stupid...
Posted by: Jamobey on July 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
" Oh Joe, I sure am enjoying my "Starbucks " Brand morning coffee. I sorry my dad thinks you're an idiot. I understand what the common people want because I am oh soooo common. Growing up in Washington in now way affected my perspective . After all Sarah's a woman , I'm a woman (I think) and all those nasty mens pick on us both.
Posted by: Mica "mouse " Brzezinski on July 6, 2009 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK
Asked who the "real" Americans are, Brzezinski, perhaps unaware what the question meant, said, "I think [Palin's] views actually do."
It's a little disturbing that every single Iranian can speak English better than all of Palin's supporters, and Palin herself.
Posted by: Personal Failure on July 6, 2009 at 4:56 PM | PERMALINK
For me this ranks right up there with referring to some states as The Heartland for journalese fakery and obnoxiousness. I've got nothing against rural 'Murka, but there's nothing *more* American about it than Somerville, MA, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: DrBB on July 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM | PERMALINK
It is even funnier that she gives Palin credit for a platform. GW in a dress is not a platform. All you have to do is be a lying conservative christian who cannot get in front of a mike without making an ass of yourself. Platform?
Posted by: SteveA on July 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK
Does this mean we'll soon see the spectacle of Zbig appearing on the show to humiliate his own daughter for her stupidity? Can't wait...
Posted by: DJ on July 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM | PERMALINK
Brzezinski's role on Morning Starbucks is as Scarborough's imaginary wife. This morning, she instructed NBC White House correspondent, Savannah Guthrie, reporting from Moscow, to "bring Mommy back some vodka." Brzezinski thinks her dumb bimbo schtick (only the latter part is an act) is arousing to the old and infirm, such as Pat Buchanan, Mike Barnicle and the rest of the shut-ins who comprise the Morning Starbucks fan base.
Posted by: Wee Willie Geist on July 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM | PERMALINK
Mika has been on the road and met people who show up to gawk at the celebrities making the TeeVee Show early on weekday mornings. Sorry, my little debutante, but I'm in the office during Morning Joe (not the Plumber).
Posted by: mass on July 6, 2009 at 5:05 PM | PERMALINK
When you lose elections and the polls look pretty bad as well, you could question your message or you could try and massage the sample. All Americans can vote and all Americans may be polled, but the results would be different if only "real Americans" voted or were polled. It is the latest version of the "silent majority", just more offensive and more self delusional. And this rural/urban thing is a crock too. There are plenty of leftist farmers, all want government aid and while they admittedly make fun of some of the urban trends, that is just getting even with the urban folk treating them like hicks.
Posted by: terry on July 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK
Real Americans taste a little like chicken, as do Koreans, Russians and the French. We're all the same, see? Yeah, OK, so there is a little smoky, Jack Daniels marinade quality to the meat, but still, chicken is chicken, right? I must also say those white breasts are good! Some guys will trade their jobs for a pair. Maybe even their wife and kids, too!
Posted by: steve duncan on July 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK
I don't believe Mika has ever read anything other than a teleprompter in her life. Every time she says one of these stupid things, it's clearly just her trying something out, something she heard Joe say off-camera, to see if it sticks. Whenever she turns profile, places her elbow on the coffee table, her hand on her chin, and opens her mouth, I know we're in for trouble. It's her signature move.
Posted by: Will on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM | PERMALINK
She seems like her father "Zb", hardly ever right, never in doubt.
For a person who grew up in D.C. and graduated from Georgetown and has spent her adult life doing TV media to claim a special connection with 'real people' (meaning the idealized mythological "Real American" demagogues refer to when they really mean themselves)alone is just really funny. To do it in defense of Palin now a few days after her rediculous flight from governmental responsibility, is just dumbfounding. Ms. Brzezinski take some time, get some help.
Posted by: robert on July 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM | PERMALINK
Thank you for this post. I agree, was bewildered hearing her.
Posted by: Giselle on July 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM | PERMALINK
Real Americans? Sarah Palin and her husband are worth several million dollars. For crying out loud...
Posted by: Todd B. on July 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK
I watch Morning Joe because it usually makes me so mad that it actually wakes me up. Frankly, none of the morning shows are very smart these days.
Posted by: Outis on July 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM | PERMALINK
RightWingers came from Bizarro World I tell ya.
Just becasue they've managed to surpress the whole reversal of the Hello/Goodbye thing, don't be fooled.
Posted by: Joe Friday on July 6, 2009 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK
More culture war schlock (who'd a thunk it)...it is what they do best, seems Scarborough has her pretty well schooled these days. Christ, let them have her...her lefty fluff/stuff is/was just as vacuous or pointless. And let's face it, this kind of chicken shit is about all that party has anymore, they just need fresh faces to shovel it out again...perfect fit.
Posted by: H.Finn on July 6, 2009 at 5:33 PM | PERMALINK
Republicans have traditionally picked on parts of the country they deem offensive, mocking Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco and Michael Dukakis and John Kerry's Massachusetts. Just once I wish one of these Democrats would speak up and say, "You know, San Francisco is part of America too." And when Old Bush was running against Dukakis in 1988 and maligning Massachusetts, I wish Dukakis had pointed out that Old Bush had been born in Massachusetts.
Posted by: navamske on July 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM | PERMALINK
"Real Americans" of today's Mikas are more or less the same segment of population that the Romantic poets saw as "the natural man". Which, as my Eng Lit prof used to point out with glee, if one were to take the term literally... would mean someone "unkempt, unwashed and with untrimmed nails".
The further removed one is from something, the easier it is to idealise it; the ugly details get lost, when viewed from a distance.
Posted by: exlibra on July 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK
Morning Joe is just like the Starbucks they shill for: over roasted and bitter.
Posted by: johnnymags on July 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM | PERMALINK
Yes, look at the polls -- Obama is trusted!
If a corporation is NOT a 'real person' and it hires someone to spout it's 'beliefs', then is that spokesperson a 'real person' or just an audio-video recorder on playback?
Posted by: MarkH on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK
I would bet her dad would like Mica to just shut the hell up. Comments about "elites" are especially comical, considering who her father is and her own background.
Posted by: winddancer on July 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM | PERMALINK
I'll say the same thing for her as when Failin' Palin and Hillary Clinton claimed a special connection so-called "real Americans."
Bitch please.
Posted by: Trollkiller on July 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK
There must be an over abundance of mercury in the water in some places.
Posted by: Gandalf on July 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM | PERMALINK
I take it this is Zbigniew Brzezinski's daughter?
When it comes to combining arrogance and foolishness, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
Posted by: larry birnbaum on July 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM | PERMALINK
Mika should have never been tapped to be a co-host. She's got no brain...or the Starbucks has eaten it awway. Boo!
Posted by: barrett on July 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM | PERMALINK
Real Americans don't live in cities? And here I was thinking cities have been the centers of civilization for centuries. I guess it just goes to show you what you can learn from the pithy existential musings of none other than Mika what's-her-name.
Posted by: Timpanist on July 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM | PERMALINK
It is the height of arrogance for a television personality to lecture her viewers on who qualifies as "real" and who doesn't.
Actually, it's the height of ignorance.
Posted by: beep52 on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM | PERMALINK
The only reason I popped in is because I thought Steve was discussing the *real* BRZEZINSKI instead of the fake one.
Steve (or the moderator, since Stave never reads the comments), you'd do your readers who drop in via your RSS feed a favor if you'd either expand your syndicated text beyond 250 chars or learned how to write a lede.
Posted by: Disputo on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM | PERMALINK
Mika is just rebelling against her daddy...trying to suck up to Schmo Starbucksborough like he's Arthur Fonzarelli, while Zbig finds him "startlingly superficial".
Posted by: jackything on July 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM | PERMALINK
Correction:
Mika is just rebelling against her daddy...trying to suck up to Schmo Starbucksborough like he's Arthur Fonzarelli, while Zbig finds him "stunningly superficial".
Posted by: jackything on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM | PERMALINK
When her Dad came on the show the other day he admonished Scarborough for his "stunningly superficial" views on foreign policy. He could have well very applied that to his daughter on just about every topic.
Embarrassing to say the least.
Posted by: Dilip on July 6, 2009 at 7:56 PM | PERMALINK
1. Those "Real People" she's talking about are the ones who think that Mika Brzezinski is not an American name.
2. She'd know that if she hadn't spent every ounce of her father's horsepower to keep herself away from any job that would require having to deal with them.
Posted by: Steve Paradis on July 6, 2009 at 9:14 PM | PERMALINK
My favorite part of this clip is at the end when Joe points out she is a fraud - born in Manhattan, grew up in "the toniest part of" D.C., summers in Northeast Harbor Maine. As he is saying this, she shows increasing embarrassment, and finally, in the middle of his pointing this out, says "Stop it!". She doesn't want to be exposed as what she is, a member of the elite (by birth) she claims to be against. She is as "Real American" as George Dubya.
The part I don't get is, if Real Americans predominantly have rightwing values, how is it that Obama won the national election 8 months ago with 53% of the vote? Does that mean more than half the country are not Real Americans? If more than the majority share a viewpoint, how can that not be the viewpoint of Real Americans?
Posted by: stvwlf on July 6, 2009 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK
Mika Brzezinski is the heir apparent for blue blood Cokie Roberts.
Posted by: AlphaLiberal on July 6, 2009 at 9:20 PM | PERMALINK
Scarborough wouldn't last 30 seconds if my wife was in that seat instead of Mika. The way he talks down to her -- and the way she lets him get away with it -- is disgusting. Then again, I guess that's the conservative way.
Posted by: beep52 on July 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM | PERMALINK
Mika's blonde. Cut her some slack. This is a woman who'd lose her job at the M&M factory because she'd throw out the Ws ...
Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on July 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM | PERMALINK
"Perhaps I'm not "real" enough."
Blogs re: DC, via VT (aka North-West NYC), default-PC, doesn't give one farkin' prog damn about RFD.
Posted by: tao9 on July 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM | PERMALINK
In the cities where there are a little more liberal elite populations, you're not going to find what's representative of America."
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Okay then, can real America stop taking my fake American tax-dollars to bolster their lifetsyles.
Posted by: Moxo on July 6, 2009 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK
Real Americans, as opposed to all of us progeny of immigrants?
Posted by: mlm on July 6, 2009 at 11:10 PM | PERMALINK
Born here; raised here; schooled here; served in the military; worked here. Never knew I wasn't a real American. Bummer. But, life goes on, and Obama is President elected by me and all those other unreal Americans. I can live with that.
Posted by: sparrow on July 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM | PERMALINK
OK So there are more fake americans the real ones. Anyway why are you watching Mika in the first place? There are real issues that need thought and discussion...
Posted by: jojo on July 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM | PERMALINK
exlibra: "Real Americans" of today's Mikas are more or less the same segment of population that the Romantic poets saw as "the natural man". Which, as my Eng Lit prof used to point out with glee, if one were to take the term literally... would mean someone "unkempt, unwashed and with untrimmed nails".
The further removed one is from something, the easier it is to idealise it; the ugly details get lost, when viewed from a distance.
Of course, many of the same conservatives who lionize rural America, Joe Sixpack, and NASCAR will turn around and excoriate "limousine liberals" for romanticizing the Third World and the ghetto.
One of the few righty pundits to understand and 'fess up to this dynamic is, of all people, John Derbyshire:
"We conservatives like to scoff at lefties for their 'noble savage' fixation — the way they go all misty-eyed and paternalistic at the thought of the poor helpless victims of capitalism, racism, colonialism, etc. etc. Well, I think I can see some similar strain of condescension in my own outlook. What the heroic worker was to an old-line Marxist, what the suffering Negro was to civil-rights marchers, what the unfulfilled housewife is to Hillary Clinton, the Vietnamese peasant to Jane Fonda, the Palestinian rioter to Edward Said, so the red-state conservative with his Bible, his hunting rifle and his sodomy laws is to me. He is authentic, in a way I am not."
Posted by: Chet on July 7, 2009 at 1:03 AM | PERMALINK
Morning Joe is like jumper cables hooked up to two dead batteries. No juice.
Posted by: pj in jesusland on July 7, 2009 at 1:17 AM | PERMALINK
Scarborough is Jughead's looks with Reggie's soul.
Posted by: Archibald on July 7, 2009 at 4:36 AM | PERMALINK
Most people live in population centers. That's why they're called, um, population centers.
Posted by: Nancy Irving on July 7, 2009 at 7:46 AM | PERMALINK
Maybe Mika was just putting herself out there to, you know, show Sarah "I-quit-arod" Palin how easy it will be for her to be a TV "pundit." The rambling, the careless comments, the raw carnal energy [ugh!] — birds of a feather.
Posted by: chrenson on July 7, 2009 at 7:54 AM | PERMALINK
Of course, we all know the most important defining characteristic of "real" Americans - white skin.
Posted by: Virginia on July 7, 2009 at 8:45 AM | PERMALINK
Geez, Mika and family had a Bar-B-Que, while, our ilk, in Mika's feeble mind, thought it was May Day. Perhaps, Mika should try to see how "Real Americans" live in Prince George County and Southeast DC, as well.
Posted by: berttheclock on July 7, 2009 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK
Well who can believe it. Narcisstic and shallow Mika B admires Narcissitic and shallow Palin.
Mika would rather emulate a woman who would not protect women and children in her own state . A state with a high domestic violence statistic. The governor could not find a way to take care of these issues and openly shunned money to help women and children. Naricissim and lack of interest in others runs rampant in the Republican rhetoric and lack of governance of the Narcisstic Quitter of the North West.
Posted by: mljohnston on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 AM | PERMALINK
Mika is completely embarrassing. "Real White America" we now know for sure how Joe has trained her brain.
Pathetic
I 'm so tired of media elites like Mika "Come To Mommy" her words, proclaims their romantic ties to Appalachia and real white America, ya'know here there are just great hard-working white folks.
Mika comes across a slightly less ingorant Sarah Palin
Keep up the horrible work Mika
Posted by: jonny66 on July 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK
All of us love to disrepect the lack of intelligence shown by St Sarah. However, with the passing of McNamara, why do we assume that high intelligence alone will make a difference? He, and his group, in that administration were considered to be "The Best and Brightest".
Must be middle ground somewhere or better useage of brain cells.
Posted by: berttheclock on July 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM | PERMALINK
Not just Mika. The business reporter, whose name escapes me now, declared this morning that Obama was moving farther to the left than people who voted for him expected. What.an.idiotic.statement. As far as I can tell, Obama is more center than people who voted for him expected.
Posted by: lou on July 7, 2009 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK
Real Americans, like Real Christians, are conservative and the rest of us are just small "a" americans and small "c" christians.
I am so sick of being insulted by these arrogant self centered SOBs. I love my country as much as any of them, and Christ is my savior. It really is unAmerican and antiChristian to have this attitude that if you don't interpret things the way they do you are some kind of lesser being.
Theirs is a gospel of hate and division, and it was soundly rejected by the majority of REAL AMERICANS last November.
Posted by: Mike on July 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM | PERMALINK
I used to like Mika, especially after she refused to read any "news" regarding the Paris Hilton's of the world. However, I have found that over the last five to six months, she has become intolerable. I always tolerated Starbucks Joe; I always thought Mika was a good foil for him, correcting him in the many instances he needed correcting. I liked the balance between them. Mika, and Willie were the only reasons I watched "Morning Joe."
Now? The show isn't even good background noise anymore. Both Joe and Mika spend more time whining than they do actually interviewing (unless it's someone who will whine along with them), and reporting actual news. This latest statement from Mika had me do a double-take, and I'm offended, as I was when Palin made her stupid remark about 'real' America. I'm further offended that she, in essence, considering that most American's live in urban areas, stated that most of us are liberal elitists, and not 'real' Americans.
Well, while I am a proud liberal, I'm not Ivy-League educated; I attended public schools, and started working right out of high school; I have lived in the NY Metro area all my life. In Mika's mind, that must mean that while I am 'unfortunate' enough to not live in 'rural' America, I must know more about being a 'real' American than my wealthier, college-educated neighbors.
Well, I do know one thing - Mika's line of thinking is bull, and highly offensive. Thankfully, the Mika's and Palin's do NOT speak for women like me.
Posted by: Veronica on July 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM | PERMALINK
It is refreshing to read comments that are honestly funny. I've just had a rather tedious work day. Now, catching up on my editorial email on sites has been so depressing with the repeated lies, lies, lies and threats of mortal wounds to those they disagree with from those with a conservative slant (keep your fiends close and your enemies closer); this site and its comments are uplifting! While there is not a complete lack of little nasty comments, no one here seems to call for the death of any other person or predicts the total destruction of our country as many of the 'conservative' sites commenters do! But this 'Real' American thing has me confused?
I was born on a farm in upstate New York and lived in the country for 48 years. I have the pedigree to join the DAR (for those too young to know, that is the Daughters of the American Revolution. You must be able to trace your ancestry back to a fighter in the Revolution.) but now I live in the middle of New York City. I'm an aging hippy and a liberal. Am I a 'Real' American or not?
Posted by: Kitty on July 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK