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July 7, 2009

'REAL AMERICANS,' REDUX.... MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski seems to be thoroughly annoyed by the fact that she was criticized yesterday for praising Sarah Palin for her popularity among "real Americans." Brzezinski went on to complain yesterday that some in the "mainstream media" don't agree with Palin, but "real" Americans do.

Brzezinski returned to the subject today, clearly feeling vindicated. She pointed to a Gallup poll, released yesterday, showing 39% of respondents saying they feel that they've become more conservative in recent years, while 18% have become more liberal, and 42% say their views haven't changed. Heralding the Gallup poll, Brzezinski told viewers, "I love this story."

I'm afraid Brzezinski still doesn't quite understand why what she said yesterday rubbed so many people the wrong way.

The problem was her insistence that Palin supporters are "real Americans." If you find Palin offensive, Brzezinski argued, you probably live in a place with "liberal elite populations," which aren't "representative of America." The message that Brzezinski delivered, which we've heard from many for years, is that those who live in big cities and/or are liberal on social issues may be Americans, and may even be in the majority, but we're not real Americans.

It's this culturally divisive arrogance that's insulting.

And what of the Gallup poll? It's interesting data, but the political realities haven't changed. A growing number of Americans may feel like they're getting more conservative, but these are the same Americans who just elected a Democratic president, a Democratic House, and a Democratic Senate. These are the same Americans who are telling pollsters that their opinion of the Republican Party is in precipitous decline. These are the same Americans who want health care reform, efforts to combat global warming, and a Supreme Court that will leave Roe v. Wade intact.

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So conservatives are getting more conservative? We've known that for a while now.

Posted by: DR on July 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

A lot of people will never state that their opinions are liberal because they've been taught for the last 30+ years that liberalism is evil.

Vote liberal, claim it's conservative.

Posted by: howie on July 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe she would like to use those Gallup numbers to explain why Americans are increasingly tolerant of conservative positions like gay marriage?

Posted by: flounder on July 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM | PERMALINK

Mika is to Scarborough what Alan Colmes was to Hannity - a weak, subservient, alleged foil.

More and more, I believe she was born Paris' older sister and secretly adopted from the Hiltons.

Posted by: Bobzim on July 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

"And what of the Gallup poll? It's interesting data, but the political realities haven't changed. A growing number of Americans may feel like they're getting more conservative, but these are the same Americans who just elected a Democratic president, a Democratic House, and a Democratic Senate."

So Steve, if in November 2010, the ecomony is still in the tank and unemployment is over 10%, do you want to bet on the Dems keeping control of either House of Congress?

Posted by: Chicounsel on July 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK

Steve Benen wrote: "It's this culturally divisive arrogance that's insulting."

What's really "insulting" is the apparent belief of the corporate programmers who put words in the mouths of vapid and vacuous "on-air personalities" like Mika Brzezinski that their audience will fall for some highly-paid Hollywood phony-baloney Ann Coulter wannabe blathering about who is "elite" and who is "real".

That is really insulting -- it's insulting to so-called "conservatives" who have been brainwashed to believe whatever inane drivel is spoon-fed to them by the corporate-owned "conservative" media, as long as the drivel is branded as "conservative".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM | PERMALINK

I've become more conservative in recent years, myself. I may no longer favor seizing the means of production in the name of the people, but I'm pretty sure Ms. Brezinski still wouldn't consider me a Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Posted by: Jim Strain on July 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM | PERMALINK

Mika must have be suffering from a lot of chafing on her thighs. She doesn't straddle a fencepost very well at all.
She can't decide whether she's a republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. She gets more and more confused with each performance on Morning Joke.

Posted by: majii on July 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM | PERMALINK

I'm proud to be a surreal American.

Posted by: Speed on July 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

So Steve, if in November 2010, the ecomony is still in the tank and unemployment is over 10%, do you want to bet on the Dems keeping control of either House of Congress?

If you want to bet on Dems receiving sufficient blame to lose a staggering margin of seats after just four years, be my guest. I like easy money.

There will probably be losses in both houses simply because there isn't quite so much urgency in getting rid of as many Republicans as possible. But you assholes aren't climbing back into power quite yet.

Posted by: Mike B. on July 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM | PERMALINK

Assume they are correct that we are a center-right country. Combining this with poll results means that the center-right position in America is in favor of universal health care, getting out of Iraq, and numerous other Democratic proposals. This means that the Republican party is, by their own reasoning, far, far right, and the most left-wing positions actually in play are completely centrist.

Posted by: anandine on July 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM | PERMALINK

So Steve, if in November 2010, the ecomony is still in the tank and unemployment is over 10%, do you want to bet on the Dems keeping control of either House of Congress?

I'd bet on larger majorities, though I wouldn't want to be a Blue Dog. I think it's a safe bet, however, that "No" is not the solution everybody is looking for.

Posted by: Danp on July 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Considering that the Gallup poll didn't address RealAmericaness(TM) or opinions of Palin, I'd say Ms. Brzezinski needs to work on her reading comp skills.

Posted by: The Answer WAS Orange on July 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM | PERMALINK

Has it ever occurred to these idiots to explore the difference between living one's life conservatively (i.e., in a cautious, prudent way) and becoming more politically conservative? I imagine after the chaos & disaster of the Bush years, a lot of us are becoming 'more conservative' wrt our spending/saving habits, health, job mobility, and a host of other life choices... because there's no safety net. Obviously, this could be considered a GOP success story-- what's their philosophy about but keeping people so insecure & fearful that they becoming completely unwilling to rock the boat or defy power structures?-- but it's also pretty clear that most people don't like this brand of social engineering one little bit, since they've declined to vote for more of it.

Posted by: latts on July 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

Wise up Ms. Brzezinski - only bigots truly know who the "real Americans" are among us! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on July 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

The average person is more conservative, in the small-c sense of being more cautious, etc., than he/she was 10 years ago. But that clock gets reset to zero every time an old bitter conservative dies and is replaced by a newborn child. And chances are, the old person was white and the new kid isn't.

Put another way: the average person is also less attractive, less agile, has greater net worth, goes to bed earlier--I could go on and on--over the course of his/her life. That doesn't at all imply that the population as a whole is getting either uglier or wealthier or any of those other things. Fallacy of composition, I believe it is called.

Posted by: kth on July 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM | PERMALINK

There's no way she's the biological child of her father, no way he could be the father of someone so freaking stupid. I'm going with the adoption theory, above.
Then again, I don't even know who her mother is, maybe Zbig had a trophy wife or some Paris Hilton type.

Posted by: Allan Snyder on July 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM | PERMALINK

I think that the Democratic party is fairly conservative to begin with, so electing them isn't necessarily counter to identifying oneself as a conservative.

Perhaps it simply means you're not batshit insane like the modern Republican party.

I'd truly love to have an actual liberal party with some power here. Here's to hoping the downfall of the GOP will let one fill the vacuum.

Posted by: doubtful on July 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

If I get in a car accident and lose half of my brain, I'm going to apply for Mika's job.

Posted by: mars on July 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Television 'news', both on cable and network tv, has gotten so inane and pernicious, that I think people are going to start discounting it even more than they already do. I rely mostly on print and the internet for news sources now. I think that print media should pull their socks up, grow some back bone and market themselves as news that is more reliable and tailored to their individual communities. The bland, ratings chasing tv 'news' product is gradually destroying itself. Print media should be less like tv and the web, not more.

Posted by: Anon on July 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM | PERMALINK

Chicounsel wrote: "So Steve, if in November 2010, the ecomony is still in the tank and unemployment is over 10%, do you want to bet on the Dems keeping control of either House of Congress?"

Wow, just as I was writing about "so-called 'conservatives' who have been brainwashed to believe whatever inane drivel is spoon-fed to them by the corporate-owned 'conservative' media" ... well, along comes Chicounsel to demonstrate exactly what I was talking about.

Sure, the word "conservative" has various different meanings depending on context, some of which have nothing much to do with politics.

But specifically with regard to American politics of the present day, it means "weak-minded, ignorant, mean-spirited mental slaves of corporate propaganda".

Posted by: SecularAnimist on July 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM | PERMALINK

Through an unpreventable combination of circumstances, that were emphatically Not My Fault, I have seen Ms. Brzezinski and her cohorts many times.

I have news for all of them, including True Conservative Joe: none of you would recognize a true-blue Sarah Palin supporter if you fell over one. Part of the reason for this is that you're extremely unlikely ever to meet one. Since all of you would be regarded by Sarah's base members of the effete, moneyed, liberal elite the people you regard as Palin conservatives are imitations of the real thing. Commentators and pundits spend a lot of time talking about these "real Americans" about whom you know nothing and wish to know less.

You are so contented with your ersatz portrayals and out-of-touch pronouncements about an America that exists only in fictional media construct that when you do, accidentally, encounter reality you not only cannot understand it, you don't even admit it exists.

The conservatives who support Sarah Palin certainly exist. They are no more or less "real Americans," Ms. Brzezinski, than the "bubbled-in east coast liberal, beltway insider, media and political elites" which is how they regard you, your family, your acquaintances and your friends.

Posted by: clio on July 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

Just exactly what did Gallup mean by more conservative? As I have grown older (like a lot of boomers) I have become more conservative in some ways. Here is a list of my conservative positions.

First, I think it is conservative to take care of the planet. I am green because I want my grandchildren to have a home planet with air they can breath.

Second, I think it is conservative to support alternative energy in every way possible.

Third, I think it is conservative to educate every American kid as far as his or her ability and ambition will allow.

Fourth, I think it is conservative to want to reduce abortions to zero, but I still think the choice should belong to the woman directly affected. In this regard I think birth control should be encouraged.

Fifth, I think it is conservative to want to see every American have the opportunity to succeed socially and financially. I think demanding businesses and government more and better jobs for all is a conservative position.

Sixth, I think small business is the backbone of the country. It is conservative to want tax and social policies that encourage the responsible growth of small business. Government has a role in making sure fair rules exist to level the playing field for all but if there is any tilt it should be to encourage small as opposed to large business.

Seventh, I think it is conservative to honor our history and our Constitution. I realize that honoring the Constitution is not considered very conservative by Republicans, but there is a difference between conservative and Republican.

Eighth, I am conservative when it comes to religion. I believe sincerely that anybody should be able to practice any religion they want as long as they don't otherwise violate the law and as long as the don't force me to practice their faith. If somebody wants to be a Christian fundamentalist fine by me. If somebody wants to be a Muslim, okey dokey. Just don't make me pray 5 times a day. If somebody wants to pray to nothing, OK again.

I could go on and talk about my conservative tolerance, but I have a client. See you later.

So you see I am more conservative than I used to be, but probably not in the way Sarah Palin and Mika Brzezinski define the term.

Posted by: Ron Byers on July 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM | PERMALINK

mika -- another millionaire mouthpiece for general electric. daughter of a very influential man, whose childhood remembrances include riding around camp david with amy carter.

mika -- spokeswhore for 'real americans'. just like russert was the working-class stand-in; tweety's a good ol philly boy; and joe scarborough didn't kill no intern...

Posted by: linda on July 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM | PERMALINK

They are no more or less "real Americans," - clio

And tell me, do they have a reason for liking Palin, or are they just a heaping pile of hatred?

Posted by: Danp on July 7, 2009 at 2:56 PM | PERMALINK

"And what of the Gallup poll? It's interesting data, but the political realities haven't changed. A growing number of Americans may feel like they're getting more conservative, but these are the same Americans who just elected a Democratic president, a Democratic House, and a Democratic Senate. These are the same Americans who are telling pollsters that their opinion of the Republican Party is in precipitous decline. These are the same Americans who want health care reform, efforts to combat global warming, and a Supreme Court that will leave Roe v. Wade intact."

FYI, most of the 39% who say they've become "more conservative" have moved from "rabid" conservative to "batshit crazy" conservative. The other 61% have stayed put or become more progressive.

And as some have previously posted, what is the context of this ideological shift? The poll could mean a lot of things.

Posted by: bdop4 on July 7, 2009 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

Ahem. Mika spent the weekend, celebrating her husband's birthday, in Lancaster County, PA.

You know, that last bastion of conservatism and home of the Amish. Who don't believe in paying taxes, public schools, 'modern' medicine, the telephone and rubber tires.

Posted by: DAY on July 7, 2009 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

So, If this poll holds for the next few years,
the conservitave will get 39% of the vote and the sane candidate will get 61% in 2012?

I guess that means that we are a center right country after all

Posted by: jefft452 on July 7, 2009 at 3:00 PM | PERMALINK

The reason people are calling themselves more "conservative" is NOT because they are becoming more politically conservative -- every poll on the issues proves that to not be the case.

The reason is because our political debate has shifted so far to the right in the past 30 years, and especially in the past 10 or so.

The fact is that someone with Obama's political beliefs would have been considered a moderate Republican up until the 80s. Now, he's considered solidly left for some insane reason.

Part of it is the Overton Window the GOP has used so well, and the Dems have failed to address, and part is a media willing to give GOP talking points air time without pointing out that those talking points don't match with reality.

The fact Mika is too stupid to get this isn't surprising -- she's a news reader, not a journalist.

Posted by: Mark D on July 7, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Blonde bimbos are the real Americans.

Posted by: terry on July 7, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

The rest of the world will probably believe her which does not bode well for my children and grandchildren. They will also believe we are lying christian zealots who will declare war in a heartbeat just for the profit of it.

Posted by: SteveA on July 7, 2009 at 3:07 PM | PERMALINK

I would bet that since time immemorial, older people would say they have become more conservative over time. So where's the beef?

Posted by: Danp on July 7, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK

Real Americans are the ones paying most of the taxes. Sorry to inform you diversity-loving lefties, but that's white men.

Posted by: Myke K on July 7, 2009 at 3:13 PM | PERMALINK

There's an even simpler explanation - many folks get more conservative as they get older. What balances this out is that new voters keep getting born. (or become citizens, or start voting...)

In the same way, the average age of a country can go down even though 100% of the people are getting older. See Boom, Baby.

Posted by: MobiusKlein on July 7, 2009 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK

WTF is a talking head on MSNBC doing denouncing the mainstream media? Who does she think qualifies as "mainstream media," if not herself?

Posted by: rea on July 7, 2009 at 3:17 PM | PERMALINK

I love it that a first-generation American talking airhead doesn't think I am a real American because I am a college-educated registered Democrat from a big city. We could compare our military DD-214 forms for bragging rights. Or our genealogies.

Posted by: buddy66 on July 7, 2009 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

Danp,

Unanswerable question. Some have positive reasons. Some are just "aginers." Pretty good individuals. Sometimes hard to take in the aggregate.
But that's true of a lot of groups.

Even the founding fathers had their quirks. Perhaps the quirkiest being Benedict Arnold - the revolution's ultimate quitter.

Posted by: clio on July 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK

Like she's NOT a member of an "elite population?" Like her class of cable TV pundits knows from "real America?"

I'm sick of being pigeonholed by dyed-blonde face-lifted fake-tanned overpaid overprivileged assholes like Mika Brzezinski and the rest of her worthless, parasite class.

Posted by: REAL Real American on July 7, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Mika Brzezinski is the new Cokie Roberts. Different blueblood but the same ol' arrogance!

Posted by: AlphaLiberal on July 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Steve,

Have you heard anything intelligent come out of Brzezinski's mouth? Ever? If not, why do you expect it now?

Posted by: MSGOP Sucks on July 7, 2009 at 3:38 PM | PERMALINK

How far away is this from the Aryan Nation ideology. Isn't "real America" and real "Americans" implying a superior view or ability to represent a more correct opinion on national affairs?

How can one American be more American than another or be more real. Isn't this a snobbish condescending divisive attitude of superiority, revealing what a prude Brzezinski 'really' is. She cannot even admit to her embarrassment but chooses to justify her ridiculous comments because she cannot admit when she's wrong.

Of course she thinks her opinions are more valid than any one else because she's a 'real' American. If Palin represented "real Americans" then willful ignorance is our dominate trait.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

Real Americans are the ones paying most of the taxes. Sorry to inform you diversity-loving lefties, but that's white men.
Posted by: Myke K

As you're too stupid to be gainfully emplopyed, I guess that means you're not a real American, either.

Posted by: DJ on July 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM | PERMALINK

What difference does the poll make? Suppose 99% had said they were becoming more conservative. Would that make the 1% not "real Americans?"

Is that designation really determined by how many people one agrees with politically?

Posted by: Bernard Yomtov on July 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM | PERMALINK

It's this culturally divisive arrogance that's insulting.

Well, Steve, you do the exact same thing, except in the other direction, so I'm less than impressed with your sense of outrage. But you milked two posts out of this non-event, while ignoring riots in China. Good job!

Posted by: Disputo on July 7, 2009 at 3:55 PM | PERMALINK

I think this should stimulate debate on what "conservative" really means, instead of taking for granted party affiliations and stereotypes. How about the Republican establishment/neocon/theocrat/right-"populist"/Palinist rabble (which really belong together) v. the more authentic tradition, like (in principle at least) Ron Paul and The American Conservative Magazine crowd? We need more pitting of their factions against each other, not just talk of "liberal and conservative" as if it was all cut and dried. It isn't.

Posted by: Neil B on July 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

latts said "...Has it ever occurred to these idiots to explore the difference between living one's life conservatively (i.e., in a cautious, prudent way) and becoming more politically conservative?..."

Agreed! They cannot just use the terms "conservative" and "liberal" without defining the relation of these terms to the political issues.

During the campaigns the polls showed that on the major issues the vast majority of Americans polled liberal...not centrist or right but rather people took the liberal stand. It has been hard work trying to get the people to believe they are center right or convincing us that the nation is center right which is the media's direct line propaganda. Now we get these biased polls which call for us to lean right in our response.

Not true! We are not a "center right" nation...there is no far left and politicians can never be too far right. We poll a liberal nation on all the major issues. Hell, even Senator McCaskill D-MO said people who support single payer are "far left"...I'm not kidding...her exact words. Seems whenever a person disagrees with the establishment's opinion they are labeled "far left". All those Dr.s and nurses arrested at the Baucus ins mtgs are all "far left". Exactly what republicans have done for the past 30yrs...demonize the word "liberal". They do the same with the word "socialism". So many kids I talk to say it's "bad" but can't even define what the word means in a political context.

Like John Kennedy said, "If by liberal you mean..." then went on to describe in human terms what most Americans believe and stand for.

The polls should follow his example..."If by liberal you mean..." If by socialism you mean...

Democratic socialism will save the nation while still guaranteeing liberty for all.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

I'm so far to the Left these days I'd give Noam Chomsky a run for his money, I live in a big left-coast city and have for a long time...and guess what, Mika? My family line goes all the way back to the Mayflower. I'm as American as you can get--low-class scots-english, with family on both sides that's been here since the 17th century.

So, how about it Mika? I suggest you sit down and shut up. You haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Reality is it's all those "real" americans you spout about who have no clue what America stands for. THEY are the quisling americans, not me.

Posted by: proud_american_leftist on July 7, 2009 at 4:12 PM | PERMALINK

Damn! You mean to tell me that in 1968 I could have checked "Not a Real American" on my draft registration form, and saved myself all sorts of misery? Now they tell me.

Posted by: mister moonlight on July 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

The thing with Mika is that she pretends to be like these so called conservatives across the country. I am willing to bet this twit has never held anything close to a blue collar job and I include working at a fast food joint for pocket money as a teenager. I am willing to bet she has never gone without health insurance/had to worry about meeting rent or not gotten some food because she couldn't afford it.I bet she never worked a day during college except for the internship her daddy's connections got her. She lives in the highest income zip code/town in the country(some area in Yonkers.) Excuse me, but Mika has no clue as to what she talks about. Its like @#$% sit down and STFU. Furthermore, she is such an idjit that she truly thinks that the people she meets during her book tour of Joey Scarborough are "average" Americans. Hey, dingbat, I am a liberal and I wouldn't go to an event of Rush, Hannity or Oreilly's if you gave me a free ticket and limo transportation to it. Actually let me put this in language that Mika would understand - Like, duhhhh. Liberals aren't going to be at a conservative's book signing.

Posted by: warren terrah on July 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK

Yeah, count this as an echo for the others who've pointed out that people generally get more conservative as they age, and that this trend has been known basically forever. Wow, serious data analysis fail.

You could use the same "logic" to suggest that America is growing to like eating vegetables more, America likes to go to bed earlier, and America is more bothered by kids playing on our lawn. Problem is, for every 45-year-old and 85-year-old who's more conservative than she used to be, there's a wild-eyed 17-year-old, just about to reach voting age, who's more than liberal enough to push the overall balance leftward over these past few years. I mean, jeez, look at the scoreboard.

Posted by: OldK on July 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM | PERMALINK

Blue-chip Republicans like Mika Brzezinski wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near the redneck Volk they spend so much time verbally fellating.

This needs to be pointed out, loudly and often. And not just in blog comments pages like this one.

Posted by: Chet on July 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM | PERMALINK

This kind of idiocy can't be making her family very proud.

Posted by: Rob on July 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM | PERMALINK

"Real Americans are the ones paying most of the taxes. Sorry to inform you diversity-loving lefties, but that's white men."-Myke KKK

Since 50% of the workforce is women (and college graduates), and that most "real" white men are in the South, where wages are lower than most of the country, and a lot of white men are over 65, I highly doubt that. Besides, I thought the white man was becoming an endangered species, which is why all this fake tribalism for the last 10 years has been stirred up anyway...

As usual, there are no stats to back up anything a true "conservative" has to say. Everything is relative to them. Relative to themselves, that is.


Posted by: Always Hopeful on July 7, 2009 at 5:17 PM | PERMALINK

People get more conservative as they get older, so it stands to reason that people always feel like they are getting more conservative even when the country isn't. The really old die and are replaced by young more liberal citizens.

I am so tired of the Morning Joe female Alan Combs. A brain dead 'liberal' sidekick to prove how balanced the show is.

Her only contribution is a pretty face and tits that read the news and laugh hysterically at Joe's mindless non-sense while pretending to be a 'reasonable' liberal. No one gives a crap what she thinks of the other pretty face and tits, we get it, no one values you for you mind, so you are sticking up for the other woman no one values for her mind and because you know what it's like, blah, blah, blah.

Would it kill MSNBC to put a liberal out there that people respect, that has a god damn brain, so the Morning Joe fans could get both sides of the debate instead of a mindless liberal who bashes liberals to please her overlords.

Posted by: ScottW on July 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK

Her only contribution is a pretty face and tits that read the news

Her bazooms can read? Where can I get me a rack like that? I'm thinking major increase in daily productivity here.

Posted by: shortstop on July 7, 2009 at 5:44 PM | PERMALINK

As you're too stupid to be gainfully emplopyed, I guess that means you're not a real American, either.

I don't know what "emplopyed" is but I'm retired after 87 years of gainful employment.

And I pay more in capital gains taxes at the time of purchasing stock than you'll probably ever pay on your cute little income.

Posted by: Myke K on July 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM | PERMALINK

Where's the comparative data?

When I was a kid, the common wisdom was that the tendency to become more conservative over time was universal, i.e., 100% of people grew conservative as they grew older. I'd like to see a breakdown on the age of respondents and if the numbers of those who say they are growing more conservative has increased or decreased since, say, 2000 or 2005.

Posted by: SF on July 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM | PERMALINK

shortstop: Her bazooms can read? Where can I get me a rack like that? I'm thinking major increase in daily productivity here.

Particularly when it's cold out.

Posted by: Brian on July 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM | PERMALINK

Mika Brzezinski is an idiot. 60% of people haven't changed their views in the last year, and they voted for a democratic congress and legislature. But that won't count with this video vixen who seems to be able to tell who "counts" in the electorate. Blow it out your ass, stupid bitch.

John McShame might have won the election, since he's basically a good (if totally loony) guy. However, he picked the most interesting VP pick since forever. If Republicans have any doubts about why they lost the election, I hope that along with looking Herr McCain, they are looking at Frau Palin.

Between the two of them, the Democratic party should have been doing jumping jacks of joy. But they managed to blow it anyway.

Posted by: Wagner1959 on July 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM | PERMALINK

To be fair I bet that white men do pay the most taxes, after all they have Bill Gates and Donald Trump on their side.

That said hasn't it also been proven that blue states pay way more money in taxes on average then red ones do? Whose really real America now?

Posted by: JFirecat on July 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM | PERMALINK

what kind of real american has a name like mika brzezinski? and how many like her does it take to screw a light bulb?

Posted by: yourhost on July 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM | PERMALINK

Nobody answers these kinds of questions accurately. There are certain kinds of questions that lead to overly optomistic replies, and other that lead. For example, a majority of people thought the economy was "getting worse" throughout the Bush years. However, assessments of the *current* state of the economy improved markedly from 2003 to 2007 (just before the bubble burst). Some people apparently upgraded their assesments of the economy, all the while claiming that it was "getting worse". (of course it did eventually get much worse, my point is that people contradict themselves).

Even factoring in generational replacement, more people have switched their votes from Republican to Democrat than vice versa. So they simply aren't describing their own behavior accurately.
But who knows what they mean by getting more conservative. In six years I've gone from supporting Howard Dean to getting pissed at blog commenters who compare Obama to Bush. I suppose that counts as getting "more conservative".

Posted by: will on July 8, 2009 at 12:59 AM | PERMALINK

For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would waste one minute watching "Morning Joe." From the (very) little bit I have seen of it, it resembles a gaggle of the rich and clueless sitting around haveing a smug-fest. Honestly, Mika isn't the only dolt on the roster. I see about as much value in watching "Morning Joe" as I might find in watching re-runs of "Walker: Texas Ranger," which is to say less than zero.

Posted by: TuiMel on July 8, 2009 at 2:00 AM | PERMALINK

She's just as crazy as Palin. Anyone who would vote for Palin who is nutty as a fruitcake has got some screws loose. You have to be careful when listening to the media. I put Brzezinski and Joe in the same group as Hannity and Rush. I used to watch Morning Joe. The both started talking crazy and it really got under my skin. I thought they were intelligent people. Watching them is like watching Hannity and Rush--and there's no way.

Posted by: wanda Jones on July 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM | PERMALINK

Maria Bartiromo looks like she's getting fat.

Posted by: RuthieGix on July 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM | PERMALINK

You're not up-to-date on your polls. Most Americans are pro-life now.

Posted by: The truth on July 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM | PERMALINK

I'm watching the embedded video, because I hardly EVER watch Morning Joe. Bartiromo is about dumb. Actually, her selfish, greed makes her blindly dumb. She said Obama is more left than what people thought...no, no, no, he's more to the center than what people thought. What tunnel vision she has!

Posted by: The truth on July 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM | PERMALINK
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