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July 27, 2009

LIMBAUGH DISCOVERS HIS OPPOSITION TO TORTURE.... During the Bush/Cheney era, we had an administration that routinely ignored the rule of law, embraced authoritarian tendencies, and approved heinous acts of torture. Rush Limbaugh, without a hint of irony, today warned his listeners that the Obama administration will do the very things Bush already did.

"[T]here are people in this country, who are Americans, and have the same view of totalitarianism that all the worst regimes in the world have had. They just are a minority -- or have been a minority," Limbaugh said. "And they have to be stealth to get anywhere, because who's gonna vote for torture? Who's gonna vote for tyranny? Who's gonna vote for dictatorship? But we did. We did, and you see it slowly encroaching. And if they could move faster on this, they would."

Keep in mind, when Limbaugh says we "did" vote for torture and dictatorship, he's referring to Obama's election, not Bush's. "Who's going vote for torture?" Well, as I recall, Limbaugh did, twice.

It's almost comical. Bush created a torture policy; Obama ended the torture policy. So, naturally, Limbaugh tells his audience that Obama supporters "voted for torture."

Eric Kleefeld added, "On the subject of torture, let's take a trip back in time to a little over five years ago, when Limbaugh said this in defense of Abu Ghraib: 'I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?'"

Steve Benen 2:30 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (34)

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Limbaugh is a toad.

Posted by: MattF on July 27, 2009 at 2:33 PM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh knows that his stupid audience will never confront him on his hypocrisy, but mostly he knows that his advertisers will pay handsomely for access to such a gullible market.

Stupid people buy worthless crap for good money, all you need is a toad like Limbaugh to lure them in.

Posted by: Racer X on July 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM | PERMALINK

You're being unfair.

I don't think that Bush voters in 2000 were voting for torture.

So, I think that Limbaugh just voted for torture ONCE.

Posted by: neil wilson on July 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM | PERMALINK

Aw, Limbaugh's statements were worse than that. He was talking about "the babes" who were tormenting their prisoners with tortures that limp-balls was very obviously getting off on.

Is neil wilson (above) right? Pretty much, yeah. Bush was clearly an asshole, but he sold himself as a moderate who wouldn't make drastic changes.

Posted by: Rich2506 on July 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

Just remember: They're not hypocrites. They're liars.

Posted by: Roddy McCorley on July 27, 2009 at 2:48 PM | PERMALINK

I can't believe that that lying, fear-mongering asshole is being a lying, fear-mongering asshole! Thanks, Political Animal. Be sure and tell and give me that every-half-hour update on whether water is maintaining its wetness!

Posted by: norbizness on July 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM | PERMALINK

You know, there was a comment on the American Conservative blogsite yesterday chastising the GOP leadership for, I kid you not, lacking the spine of a Rush Limburgh.

What do you say to that? Words fail me.

Posted by: Tony J on July 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh found his opposition to torture, but quickly discarded it, as he was looking for his feet.

Posted by: doubtful on July 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM | PERMALINK

Can you imaging Limpballs if he were ever to face torture? He'd probably shit and piss himself while blubbering for mercy. Oh happy thoughts. /sigh....

Posted by: Liam J on July 27, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

Why do you think they call it dope?

Posted by: hells littlest angel on July 27, 2009 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

He's all about torture with, you might say, a happy ending.

Just by being around we're disturbing his masturbation.

Posted by: alan on July 27, 2009 at 3:19 PM | PERMALINK

But Mr. Limbaugh what do you think of Oxycontin abuse in this country?

"You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?"

What do you think about sexual tourism in...say, Costa Rica?

"You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?"

Mr. Limbaugh, what do you think of Senator Craig's controversial "wide stance".

"You ever heard of need to blow some guy off?"

Posted by: Capt Kirk on July 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Racer X's comment sounds accurate to me - Limbaugh shamelessly panders to an audience that mostly sleepwalks its way through life except when it is prodded awake by hatred, and spends carelessly to boot. Not only is his audience less than bright, it resembles Bush in its wilful ignorance and pride in being unschooled.

Such an audience is unlikely to remember what Limbaugh said a couple of years ago, or even a couple of weeks ago. Such an audience only requires another shot of outrage and fear to rev up to redline again.

It's likely not a coincidence that all the assassins who are motivated by something other than financial compensation come from this audience - a little bit stupid, easily led and manipulated and absolutely convinced in the rightness of their simplistic bedrock principles.

You don't suppose Limbaugh knows that.....do you?

Posted by: Mark on July 27, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh's all for torture when it's done on the orders of a dimwitted white guy waving a cross. When it's done on the orders of a black man from Illinois...Well torture's bad.

Posted by: Former Dan on July 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

did Hannity ever get waterboarded?

Posted by: zeitgeist on July 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM | PERMALINK

He's neither lying nor a hypocrite. "Torture" refers to pain and suffering - like having to pay taxes - inflicted on white, xian republicans - ril murkins - by commie, muslin darkies like Obama.

That has nothing to do with waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques used by ril murkins on colored muslin terists and other liberals.

Geez, Steve, they've only explained this about a million times since Abu Ghraib.

Posted by: Yellow Dog on July 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK

Tell me again, why we can't have the Fairness Doctrine back?

Remember, Limbaugh is spewing this stuff over public airwaves. He gets well paid by advertisers who pay no price for sponsoring the most vicious lies and distortions. All the years of this crap have built up a population that believes all manner of ridiculous nonsense, and is becoming more and more radicalized by the day.

Tell me again, why do we just have to let it continue?

Posted by: jimBOB on July 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK

A standard part of the GOP propaganda playbook. Accuse the opposition of your worst attributes (such as torture), create a discussion with lots of back and forth, rinse and repeat until, voila...the attributes (torture) are just a partisan controversy with no qualitative difference between the sides. Eventually, if the strategy works, torture will be something for which Democrats and Republicans are both complicit. And the Bush legacy is shifted to friendlier terrain while the torture legacy is flushed down the memory hole.

Posted by: danimal on July 27, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

So, I think that Limbaugh just voted for torture ONCE.

Oh, not really. He presumably voted Republican in 2006 (for politicians who would refuse to stop Bush) and in 2008 (for McCain, who would carry on the same policies). Not to mention the whole Contra / School of the Americas fiasco in the 1980's.

Taking Limbaugh at his word, he's voted pro-torture a whole bunch of times.

The fact that he's this mortal world's living, breathing avatar-embodiment of the human race's collective understanding of hypocrisy is undeniable, though.

Posted by: DH Walker on July 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

Just remember: They're not hypocrites. They're liars.

Some of us regard hypocrisy as just another kind of lying.

Posted by: DH Walker on July 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

You know, there was a time you could argue that Rush was a race-baiter and not an outright racist. Sure, he played on white resentments, but it seemed more like a cynical exercise than the expression of his inner most self.

Not any more.


Posted by: MBunge on July 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM | PERMALINK

Why do you respond to Limbaugh's rants? There is not enough time in the world to respond to all his crap. If you do then you have to respond to Hannity, OReilly, and Beck. The foursome have nothing to do with reality. I've tried listening to each of them and can't last more than a couple minutes. I doubt there is anyone who reads this site for the right reasons that give a hoot about those guys.

Posted by: Wayne on July 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM | PERMALINK

This must be a summer re-run because I remember Limpdick using the exact same words a couple months ago, getting the exact same response from here when it was said then.

Posted by: TCinLA on July 27, 2009 at 5:06 PM | PERMALINK

This guy embodies what Orwell described in 1984 when he talked about the Ministry of Truth. We are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia, and are allied with Eastasia -- until the word comes in that we are at war with Eastasia, at which time -- oh no! The Eastasian spies have obviously been at work putting up posters about the war effort against Eurasia, our ally! Those posters have to come down immediately and be burned, all documents mentioning the war against Eurasia have to go down the memory hole, and new posters have to be put up right away.

Posted by: T-Rex on July 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM | PERMALINK

Oh, Rush... just have another donut. Ignore that numbness in your feet, honey. Just another donut. Or twelve.

Posted by: Limbaugh's Diabetes on July 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM | PERMALINK

The military and intelligence agencies tortured Muslims under the Bush administration. I don't think that is what Mr. Limbaugh is talking about. He's talking about tyranny, socialism, communism, and the eventual torture you might get in a totalitarian system, like the one Obama is trying to institute here.

So, no, not torturing Muslims, torturing Americans. (but only the kind of Americans the right cares about).

Posted by: flubber on July 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM | PERMALINK

Didn't Obama reserve the right to use "enhanced interrogation" techniques when he saw fit. Steve, aren't you upset that Obama lied to you. The Bush Administration waterboarded 3 high value targets and obtained valuable and time sensetive information. If Obama was put in the same situation he would do it as well. His administration has said as much. Hell, the Obama administration has said it will continue the rendition policy. Good for them

Posted by: berlins on July 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM | PERMALINK

I do not understand why the media feels a need to repeat anything Rush Limbaugh says. He has a right to say anything he wants and we have a right to ignore it. Let those who follow him be lead right into hell, that is what they get for listening to a dope head.

Posted by: Ned Pepper on July 27, 2009 at 9:48 PM | PERMALINK

Just another addition of a Projection's Connection to a Retard's Reflection...

Posted by: elmo on July 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM | PERMALINK

Methinks Limboy's hemorrhoids are acting up. Cuts back on the man/goat love action, dontcha know, and ya gotta relase that frustration somehow....

Posted by: Conrads Ghost on July 28, 2009 at 12:57 AM | PERMALINK

"release," dontcha know...

Posted by: Conrads Ghost on July 28, 2009 at 12:59 AM | PERMALINK

Sorry berlins, almost every element of your 9:30 PM post is false. Obama has specifically said since taking office that America will not torture and he has specifically said that waterboarding is torture. He has also issued an Executive Order requiring all agencies to abide by the interrogation techniques allowed under the U.S. Army Manual. He certainly has not ever stated, implied or even equivocated on whether he would have authorized waterboarding under similar circumstances.

While we have received confirmation of the repeated waterboarding of three people, there is no certainty that these were the only people to be waterboarded and it is certain that they were not the only torture victims.

While several people associated with ordering or carrying out the torture have said it resulted in high-value information, little of the information revealed publicly so far was time-sensitive. Certainly none of it constituted the kind of ticking-time bomb scenarios that torture apologists like to invent when discussing the subject. This information was also accompanied by numerous of false confessions that were nevertheless treated as high-value information until many thousands of man-hours of investigation had been spent following up on them.

The experienced interrogators that were in charge of questioning these prisoners prior to their torture say that the most valuable information they revealed came from standard interrogation techniques and that the torture interrupted that process.

Finally, Obama has reserved the right to use rendition under appropriate protections. Since the term can include any transfer of prisoners or suspects outside of formal extradition procedures, this reservation is potentially troubling but is still consistent with a policy of not using the technique to give prisoners to other countries known to use torture.

Posted by: tanstaafl on July 28, 2009 at 3:06 AM | PERMALINK

Not to mention the whole Contra / School of the Americas fiasco in the 1980's.

Taking Limbaugh at his word, he's voted pro-torture a whole bunch of times.

Posted by: DH Walker on July 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM

You assume Limbaugh voted for Reagan and Bush the elder. He didn't. He didn't start voting until the 1990's. He wasn't registered to vote.

Posted by: Husker Blue on July 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM | PERMALINK

Rush Limbaugh is a dick.

Posted by: David Bailey on July 28, 2009 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK
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