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July 31, 2009

TIME TO CANCEL 'MOUTHPIECE THEATER'.... The Washington Post's Dana Milbank and Chris Cillizza host a regular video feature on the paper's site called "Mouthpiece Theater." The two sit around in smoking jackets in a fake library -- it's supposed to be a parody of "Masterpiece Theater" -- and try to offer a funny take on political events of the day.

At least, that's the idea.

Today's edition focused, not surprisingly, on the Crowley/Gates meeting with the president yesterday, giving Milbank and Cillizza a chance to make all kinds of beer jokes and beer-related puns. In a bit about which beers would go to which political players if invited to the White House, we heard a variety of rather predictable jokes. David Vitter could enjoy "a nice cold Happy Ending." Dennis Kucinich would have a bottle of "Insanely Bad Elf." The French delegation could be served "Frosty Frog." You get the idea.

At the 2:35 mark, Milbank tells the viewer, "And we won't tell you who's getting a bottle of Mad Bitch." At that point, a photo of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appears briefly on screen.

That's unacceptable. I realize this was supposed to be a silly comedy routine, but this is offensive and stupid. Milbank doesn't get to say he "won't tell" us who the "Mad Bitch" is, and then show a photo of Clinton, as if coy and unsubtle rhetoric makes his little "joke" tolerable.

Brian Beutler, who I believe was the first to catch this, wrote, "If I were on the board of directors of the Kaplan test prep company, and discovered that the people running a money-losing Kaplan subsidiary (better known as the Washington Post) had greenlighted a feature called 'Mouthpiece Theater,' I would demand that either they be fired, or that the Post itself be liquidated."

For now, the video is still online, both at the Post's site and on YouTube. The sooner the paper apologizes and yanks the video, the better.

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The village is just what you graduate to after fraternity row, it would seem. No wonder they embraced Bush.

Posted by: Travis on July 31, 2009 at 3:01 PM | PERMALINK

From WaPo related, maybe too much. But it would be OK for Daily Show, Colbert, etc? Letterman? We don't want to appear too sensitive to enable "double standard" talk, true?

Posted by: Neil B on July 31, 2009 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK

It's a matter of perspective. As offended as I am by this, I realize that it would not have bothered me if they'd flashed a picture of Sarah Palin, Jean Schmidt, or Michele Bachmann. Milhouse and Thiliza contribute to the coarsening of the discourse.

Posted by: Winkandanod on July 31, 2009 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK

You are getting carried away with your political correctness. Cool down, there must be a brew for you; otherwise you'll have to join the the hosts with jackass.

Posted by: Johnny Canuck on July 31, 2009 at 3:16 PM | PERMALINK

"Cool down"

Nah, that is more in the category of appreciating the naming of a young filly who won the Graduation Stakes at Del Mar, on Wednesday. Johannesburg was her sire - She is out of Hail Hillary by Yarrow Brae. Her name is "Subpoena That Dress"

Milbank's comment is in another league.

Posted by: berttheclock on July 31, 2009 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK

I know Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and you "sirs" are neither. To paraphrase your feeble minded and delusional colleague Dicky Cohen, "not funny."

Posted by: Former Dan on July 31, 2009 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK

Write a letter to letters@washpost.com. I just wrote mine, and I by and large am not a letter-writer. I'm less offended by the Hillary crack than by the whole concept behind Mouthpiece Theater. It's the smart guys in the class who are trying badly to be like the Jon Stewart-eque clown that every class has. But they fall woefully short and it's just embarrassing to watch them.

Though make no mistake - the Mad Bitch thing was stupid. Worse, it's stupidity with some effort behind it. Someone *planned* to be this dumb.

Posted by: sw on July 31, 2009 at 3:29 PM | PERMALINK

Sorry, no. That's just misogyny. The fact that so many people find calling a woman a "bitch" acceptable, does not make it any more acceptable than "f*g" or the n word.

Posted by: Personal Failure on July 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

Really, Winkandanod, you would not have found it offensive if two top "journalists" from the Washington Post had called a Republican female politician a bitch? Because somehow I have enough sense to realize that this is just stupid and offensive, no matter who it's directed against.

Oh, wait. I get it! It's funny because she's a woman! Women are bitches! Now I get it!

Of course, this wound never have been done about Palin or Bachman or any Republican woman. And Jon Stewart would not have made this "joke" because there's no humor in it.

Posted by: Rob Mac on July 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM | PERMALINK

sweet jesus on a stick... the WaPo is just such a shitty, infantile (no, infantile is complimentary -- de-humanizing is more like it) enterprise. it is a complete embarrassment to anyone halfway intelligent, serious and caring about this country and this society.

from its insane editorials and op-ed writers to its (aborted) attempt to sell influence to lobbyists, it is a microcoism of the rot and awfulness of this country -- what we need to discard and rid ourselves of...

oh, and milbank is a 24 karat asshole, too...

Posted by: neill on July 31, 2009 at 3:42 PM | PERMALINK

From WaPo related, maybe too much. But it would be OK for Daily Show, Colbert, etc? Letterman? We don't want to appear too sensitive to enable "double standard" talk, true?
Posted by: Neil B

The Washington Post is purportedly a news organization. The Daily Show and the Colbert Report are comedy shows.

I realize that these days it's tough to tell the difference (what with comedians being better at informing people of world events than the news organizations seem capable of doing) but we expect comedians to say offensive things. In general it's part of their job. News organizations, OTOH, are not suppose to engage in gratuitous swipes at people for laughs.

So yeah I DO have a double standard - I have one standard for comedians and another standard for "news professionals" or whatever Milbank and Cillizza are supposed to be (journalists, I guess - or journamalists, or something). But then I also have different standards for my chocolate ice cream and my General Tso's Chicken. When two things are in fact different you're allowed to hold them to different standards.

Posted by: NonyNony on July 31, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK

I just emailed the Ombudsman at the WaPo and insisted that they remove the garbage from the webpage and Youtube. The email address is 'ombudsman@washpost.com'.

There is no excuse for BS of this sort, no matter who the woman being referenced may be.

Posted by: donovong on July 31, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

...in a fake library...

Whoa, now, some of my favorite commentators appear on television occasionally in front of a fake bookshelf, so watch the condescension...

:)

Posted by: doubtful on July 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM | PERMALINK

The inhabitants of Washington DC are often referred to as the "Villagers." So I guess that Milbank and Cillizza could be called the Village Idiots. Right?

Posted by: Sheridan on July 31, 2009 at 4:04 PM | PERMALINK

The larger issue is what a piece of crap the WaPo has become. I've lived in the DC area since 1986. When I moved here, I was delighted to have access to a real paper -- not just one full of AP copy. And believe it or not, kiddies, but it actually used to be a liberal paper.

The WaPo is now a joke, marred by a neocon-dominated Opinion page and brought to ruin by marketing consultants who scream, "More lifestyle features!" This dumb video is yet another pathetic attempt to be "hip" and "relevant" -- a desperate ploy to get someone under the age of 40 interested in what the WaPo has to offer. But there's nothing more pathetic than old farts like this trying to play to the 20-something crowd.

I have a journalism degree and used to work in newspapers. I used to think I'd feel sad when the major urban dailies start to shut down. Now I'm not so sure I will.

Posted by: Morbo on July 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe someone could send the dickwhisperer a case of Stone Brewery's Arrogant Bastard Ale to make a point?

Posted by: The Grand Panjandrum on July 31, 2009 at 4:09 PM | PERMALINK

Whoa, now, some of my favorite commentators appear on television occasionally in front of a fake bookshelf, so watch the condescension...

Ha, I was thinking the same thing. I saw old Howard Dean in front of the same books the other night, so clearly someone at the Burlington affiliate needs a talking-to.

Unacceptable nature of the Clinton comment aside, on what planet could Chris Cilizza ever be funny? And Dana Milbank be more than...well, hamhandedly bitchy?

Posted by: shortstop on July 31, 2009 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK

So, basically, they just called Clinton a bitch.

They did in the context of attempted satire, but that's no excuse. Because there was no joke. No play on words, no clever insight. Just a slightly dressed up delivery of the word "bitch."

Leave the satire and comedy to the professionals, WaPo jerk-offs. You clearly have no idea how to do it.

Posted by: laym on July 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM | PERMALINK

I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. It was a dumb joke, especially since the picture made it as subtle as a sledgehammer, but come on. Calling for their jobs? That is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. It is a joke.

Posted by: Rabi on July 31, 2009 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK

Don't they use Pelosi instead of Clinton more often these days?

Comedy is often edgy, offensive & scandalous. I would accept it if it was funny. It wasn't. It was very weak comedy.

Posted by: wishIwuz2 on July 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM | PERMALINK

I won't really clutch my pearls over the 'bitch' remark, but these guys aren't even as funny as their colleague,self-described knows-from-funny guy Richard Cohen.

Posted by: kth on July 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM | PERMALINK

Dana Milbank : douchebag
USS Missouri : big guns

I'd say the Yamato but I wanted to dumb it down a bit for Washington Post...editors.

Posted by: joejoejoe on July 31, 2009 at 4:27 PM | PERMALINK

Takes one to know one, Milbank.

Posted by: Quaker in a Basement on July 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM | PERMALINK

Now if they flashed a picture of Bill Kristol,
THAT would be funny.

Posted by: catclub on July 31, 2009 at 4:39 PM | PERMALINK

Milbank is a pinprick and Cillizza another. Their balls are in your kid's sandbox, though it would probably take a modern day Cinderella and all the helpful birds to find them there, since they're of matching size.

Posted by: exlibra on July 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

It wasn't so long ago that there was a sort of study of god , a school of thought if you will , that had as its top exercise a golden rule . Or perhaps the archaeologists misinterpreted the scrawling , it may simply have been a Golden Hoop (?) . If we live long enough we may be able to tell the difference , some of us . Surviving the great hypocrisy then we may be able (once again) to tell up from down , nasty from funny .
In the age of great and powerful hypocrites (Rayguyomics) who ranged up and down the land ravaging the old , trusted , logicks . Performing wonderful supply side works , which lightened the economies of the world of any useful middle class . The litter of the great dreams of reason left to bow and scrape at the heels of the gentle , and wise corporate soothsayers .
In the Golden Hoop , faces are pleasant to gaze upon , sweet words tumble from on high past the civilising hypocrisy of the blessed Golden Hoop , enlightening even the unworthy .
Such is the magnificence and beneficence of the wise hypocrites .

Posted by: FRP on July 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM | PERMALINK

This is no different than Rush Limbaugh and the "White House dog" joke about Chelsea Clinton. This isn't comedy. It's not funny. It's not edgy or cool. It's stupid and misogynist and I would be just as offended if they had used a picture of Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann.

If they had flashed a photo of Rep. Alcee Hastings next to a pitcher of Kool Aid, or a bottle of cheap malt liquor sticking out of a paper bag, there would be calls for them to be fired for being racist. But because it's a woman being degraded, somehow this is funny, and those of us who are offended are being told, "You humorless feminists need to calm down. Can't you take a joke?"

Know what? It's not just a joke. It's the same tired, crappy joke about how women are bitches/ugly/fat/whores/golddiggers/pick whatever characteristic is unappealing to frat boys, made at the expense of women, told over and over and over again by the same Judd Apatow-wannabe puerile jackasses to other puerile jackasses. Come up with jokes that are actually funny and not demeaning, and we'll laugh. This shit is older than dirt and needs to stop already.

Posted by: Ephemereal on July 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

To those who are saying it's just a joke - explain the joke.

I'm guessing you can't. Like I said, it isn't a joke. It was a dressed-up way of calling her a bitch. There is a difference.

Posted by: laym on July 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM | PERMALINK

Not to get too picky here, but technically The Washington Post and the Kaplan Test Prep company are both subsidiaries of The Washing ton Post Company, as are Slate and Newsweek.

But that aside, yeah, this was disgusting.

Posted by: Mark Kawakami on July 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK

The pettiness of this feature is so demeaning to the WaPo it's downright sickening. Tasteless and stupid...it's an embarrassment. These fruitcakes must be paying for the web cam themselves but grade schoolers are making better videos than this crap. Pretentious asswipes...who at the Post allows such crap to be associated with the paper. No class what-so-ever.

Posted by: bjobotts on July 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK

Perhaps some brewery will cook up a beer for Milbank & Cilizza. A good name for it would be "Supercilious Jerkoffs."

Posted by: hells littlest angel on July 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM | PERMALINK

Yes, the cheap shot at Hillary was tasteless, and yes; it would still have been a cheap shot if it had been directed at Sarah Palin.

But, hey - look how far you've come! Assuming the caption is a real screen cap and not something dubbed in there, Stella is a FRENCH beer! Didn't you guys have a period in your troubled history when you poured stuff like that into the gutters? This makes you reassuringly cosmopolitan.

Posted by: Mark on July 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM | PERMALINK

Well, Belgian, actually. But they speak French in Belgium. And it's a great beer.

Posted by: Mark on July 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM | PERMALINK

That's nothing. Hilary was violated by the right throughout the Clinton Presidency. Where were you assholes then? It wasn't until she ran against Barack Obama did anyone offer any sympathy...and it was for wrongly perceived sexism.

You Dolts should rot in hell!

Posted by: Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s on July 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM | PERMALINK

Bullshit! Lots of Obama supporters spoke out against the mysogany and sexism of the right-wing press during the primary. Just as many Clinton supporters spoke out against the veiled and not-so-veiled racism those same so-called journalists.

Of the two, the mysogany was more pervasive and blantant than the racism, but both existed. Both were addressed primarily but by no means exclusively by partisans of the affected candidate and both were ignored in all but the most blatant cases by the candidates and their official campaign staffs.

Posted by: tanstaafl on July 31, 2009 at 9:45 PM | PERMALINK

a commentor on john cole's blog pointed out that the only time women were mentioned in this "skit," they were compared to "mad bitch" and "bitter woman" beers. the bitter woman? the wife of republican chip pickering. so, yes, the boys' misogyny is non-partisan.

the clip has been pulled from youtube and washpost. but can be found @ media matters. also @ my blog, where i include contact info for the post.

write those letters, folks! comedy may not be pretty, but when it's offensive, it's at least supposed to be funny, too!

Posted by: skippy on July 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM | PERMALINK

I truly wonder when certain segments of the American populace will get over the fact that someone other than a white guy has the right to be President...

Probably never. That takes brains and maturity. Oh well...

Posted by: CynicalForaReason on August 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK




 

 

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