"Last week, Hawaii's health director apparently checked the president's birth certificate again"

They should make a monthly event of this. They should do it as a way to celebrate the first president to come from the great state of Hawaii. Turn it into kind of celebration. That would really incense the birthers.

If far-right clowns are going to try a stunt like this, the least they could do is put a little effort into it.

Does anyone remember the uranium documents from Niger? They were "signed" by Nigerian officials who had not been in office for several years at the time the document was purportedly signed.

And with that they started a war.

Really, can you blame for not trying very hard?

Where's Dan Rather when you need him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scam

The Republicans need money that badly?

I personally think it's great. It readily demonstrates the complete lack of intellectual power the movement possesses. Of course, its ringleader, Dentist Taitz, has been doing that since day one. She can't get any of her lawsuits through the courts because she cannot file them correctly, as she learned to do so from a correspondence law school. By the way, a large number of advanced practice nurses are also trained via correspondence schools. I'm just saying.

Here is a woman who admits she was born in the Soviet Union and therefore, is a natural born Communist. Her sole purpose is to destabilize the US government. Why can these birthers not see that she is a KGB sleeper agent sent here by Putin, who was also KGB? All of the birthers are now, by proxy, KGB agents as well. Of course, being a KGB agent attempting to destabilize the US government is actually quite patriotic, but not quite as much as being a secessionist, which I suspect many of the birthers are as well.

See, I can make up conspiracy theories as I go, too.

So, lemme see - Months before Kenya became a Republic - Forty four years before Obama became President.

Wow, this person wins the "Prescient Publican Prophet" of the decade, otherwise known as "The Poop Award".

A commenter at the Guardian writing under the name Anduin has explained it all to us:

"To all the birthers posting the fake Kenyan document, you're being played by a clever Internet troll who left just enough clues to its fakery. Kenya was not a republic until December 1964; the document was issued on17 February 1964, a Saturday; the certificate number is 47 044, Obama is 47 years old and he's the 44th president; EF Lavender [the name of the registrar on the document] is a brand of Kenyan soap, etc."

If reality can't provide what you need, then fantasy is the next best thing.

Orly Taitz is insane. She appeared on Colbert and made many demonstrably false claims (which, unfortunately, Colbert did little to refute), including the claim that both of Obama's parents had to be American citizens (which Colbert did refute by bringing up Chester A Arthur (whose father was Irish)), AND tha Obama has used the Social Security number of a 190 year old Connecticut man.

OK, first of all, how did Ms. Taitz know what SS number Obama had been using, and, once again, has she ever taken a US civics class? The first social security number was issued in January 1936, when that CT man would have been 113 years old.

I'm not a fan of giving attention whores like Orly Taitz free publicity, but someone needs to bring her on their show and completely destroy her claims - right in front of her.

WND...WingNuts Daily, indeed...

They know what their doing.

From Wikipedia's Big Lie entry:

"United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

while I've little doubt Orly was in on this, my secret hope is that someone really & truly duped that sucker into dumping big bucks for the faux birth certificate.

Of coursen those that want to believe will continue to believe, & Orly's reputation will take no hit. Heck birthers will probably be grateful for Orly's vigilance, comepetency be damned.

But Steve, they are Freedom Fighting counter insurgents!!

More racist dogdirt...

One can imagine Fox News is working overtime to find a few black birthers to repudiate the charges of racism that will ultimately be forthcoming. It will make for a nice show for their viewers...

That.. and of course... having Beck call Obama a racist. When anybody on TV can call anybody a racist it means the term has no meaning. And so racism doesn't exist. That is the blowback-reality Fox is working to create...

You want an teachable moment on race?
Here is one that is profoundly educative: Obama should never do a Fox interview again...

Aren't fraud and forgery crimes? If the perpetrator is found, he/she needs to go to jail.

oops..what they're doing....

@hquain, nice catch! These people are so desperate for credibility that they'll bite on anything. Reminds me of Larry Johnson and the Michelle Obama "Whitey" tape. That Johnson never produced the tape hasn't kept him from becoming a figure in the birther aberration.

"Obama has used the Social Security number of a 190 year old Connecticut man."

boy oh boy, joe lieberman is gonna be pissed when he finds out

So the government officials of the state of Hawaii are not to be trusted, but the credibility of a document issued by the Republic of Kenya and produced by an "anonymous source" is rock-solid?

"a few black birthers"

Alan Keyes is a client of Orly. They both appeared as a tag team on Lou Dobbs.

If your mom's a natural-born US Citizen, so are you.

All the fake birth certificates that I've heard about correctly identify Obama's mom.

Therefore, even if this latest fake was true, Barack Obama would still be a "natural born" US citizen....

You are such dupes! I saw an image of the document online, and the kerning was perfect. Perfect, I say!

Blind! You're all blind! Soylent Green is STILL PEOPLE!!!

Doyles, isn't that (OSS'primary rules) also the business model for our major news outlets?

I love the fact that Taitz has filed what WND refers to as a "motion to authenticate" the document in US district court. I've been a lawyer for a while, done a lot of practice in federal court, even clerked there. I have never heard of such a procedure and can't even imagine what the hell it might be. One "authenticates" a document for evidentiary purposes -- e.g., to introduce at a trial -- by putting someone on the stand with first-hand knowledge of its provenance. But there's no ability I'm aware of to have the district court just sort of opine on the authenticity of a document.

... revealed for the forgery it most likely is."

Is old Doug hedging his bets?

Has the entire country gone stark raving, round-the-bend mad?

It's a forgery, Doug!

"Last week, Hawaii's health director apparently checked the president's birth certificate again"

This should be corrected to read "Last week, Hawaii's health director apparently checked the president's birth certification again" not birth certificate.

Obama probably does not have a birth certificate.

So far I have not seen any thing that would prove that he is a natural born citizen. Nor have I seen proof that he isn't.

Saint Zak: They should make a monthly event of this. They should do it as a way to celebrate the first president to come from the great state of Hawaii. Turn it into kind of celebration. That would really incense the birthers.

I was thinking of a Born in the USA tee.
That'd be great fun to wear. I see someone beat me to the idea:

http://www.zazzle.com/obama_born_in_the_usa_t_shirt-235206107971753953

Of course, the forger wrote "Republic" - Geez, people, have you ever tried to spell "Dominion" off the top of your head?

I have a document that shows conclusively that Ayn Rand was sent here to destroy America by Russia's State Political Directorate (which later became the KGB) in 1926. Want to see it?

Steve Benen:

If far-right clowns are going to try a stunt like this, the least they could do is put a little effort into it. Sure, they're wingnuts, but there's no rule saying wingnuts can't show a little pride in their efforts.

There may not be a rule, but there's certainly a proud tradition of incompetent forgery on the right. Let's not forget the Niger forgery.

After all, as incompetent as the Niger forgery was, it still worked in so far as it gulled those who wanted to be gulled. The latest birth certificate forgery will no doubt be similiarly successful.

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It brings warmth to my heart to think Orly Taitz is making use of Colbert and the Colbert Nation to spread the truthiness of President Obama's birth.

Someone needs to take the lead in bringing the fringe element into mainstream 21st century American political landscape, and I applaud Orly on such a fine performance of insanity! -Kevo

What's slightly comical is that even if this were facially accurate, it wouldn't be any stronger a claim than the Hawaii birth certificate -- they're about the same in terms of validity.

It would seem that the Obama's jumped the gun on their evil conspiracy by posting the birth announcement in Hawaii 3 years before their son was born. But, as anyone who has operated one knows, time machines sometimes are difficult to control and you can be off by a few years.

If birfers accept this document as a forgery, another one will appear. Always another there is.

berttheclock: I think Obama's mom should get the POOP for sending a birth announcement to the Hawaiian newspapers. That was one foresighted mother!

EF Lavender [the name of the registrar on the document] is a brand of Kenyan soap

Okay, that's hilarious.

TruthPolitik:

So far I have not seen any thing that would prove that he is a natural born citizen.

Define 'prove'. For legal evidentiary standards, Obama's Certificate of Live Birth is state-certified proof that he is a natural born citizen.

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His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

You sure that isn't the entry for Karl Rove?

So far I have not seen any thing that would prove that he is a natural born citizen.

Obama does not have to "prove" anything. The burden of "proof" is on the so-called birthers, who seem slip deeper into lunacy with each new attempt at proving the improbable. How lunatic? The following worth re-posting:

"To all the birthers posting the fake Kenyan document, you're being played by a clever Internet troll who left just enough clues to its fakery. Kenya was not a republic until December 1964; the document was issued on 17 February 1964, a Saturday; the certificate number is 47 044, Obama is 47 years old and he's the 44th president; EF Lavender [the name of the registrar on the document] is a brand of Kenyan soap, etc."

Missing the Forest for the Trees

While there are many excellent and insightful posts so far, has nobody noticed that

Tomorrow is the President's Birthday!

I'm off to bake a cake. For local use only, of course.

I saw the Kenyan Birth Certificate drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's, and its type was perfect! Yp!

Re: "Republic" 11 months too early.

I was digging in my back yard, and found some ancient Roman coins. The oldest one had a mint mark of 28 B.C.

I have filed a motion in Federal court to "authenticate" the finding.

Aww - how sweet.TruthPolitik is a concerned birther troll. Since the elections, primary battles of last year, I've been missing these types of entries.

Not!

Have you all looked at your own birth certificates lately?

I just looked at the ones we have on file for my family.

They are from 3 different states, and they vary widely in what information is included, and they also vary widely in the wording at the top. Mine from Pennsylvania says "Notification of Birth Registration." My spouse's, from California, is a "Certification of Live Birth." Our child's is from NY state, and is a "Certification of Birth Registration."

Two of the three have no mention of the hospital or attending doctor. One is handwritten. One has an embossed seal. One has a "tag" at the bottom of the document with a printed seal. They are all different, and by Orly Taitz's standards, none of them are authentic enough to allow us to run for President.

Go look at yours. It's fascinating.

I have not been permitted to hand count the votes myself, so it's neither been proven nor disproven that Obama was elected.

Finally a contemporaneous document! Too bad it's not in Obama's favor.

I told you I wasn't a crackpot. I told you! I told you! I TOLD YOU!

Yeah, g, mine is a Birth Registration Card, certified by the State Register of Kansas. It, also, does not have the names of my parents. However, when I received a copy of the birth certificate from the State of Kansas, I was amazed my father's middle was misspelled, but, more importantly, someone had put down the wrong maiden name for my mother. It must have been from an incorrect forwarding by the hospital to the state.

But, TruthPolitik, they really need you over at Free Republic - Lots of EF Lavender commenting. Also, the interesting useage of 47 and 44. Hmmm, 47 years of age and 44th President. However, you would fit in with the very warm and fuzzy poster who put up several pictures of President Obama in white face, with the word "Socialism" repeated again and again. Yeah, your kind of place.

I wonder if they'll blame liberals for planting it to make them look bad. Of course, such things do happen and did: the GWB TANG memo that did in Dan Rather was likely a plant. So maybe the O's KBC was too, maybe 'cause of stuff like ""44 O 47" - take off on Obama being 44th prez. and age 47, and the EF Lavender thing and such. Ah it couldn't happen to more deserving noodles.

I like it when the birfers like TruPol above (or if he's not a birfer but trying to maintain some facade of "objectivity", it's about the same level of insanity) state with the utmost gravity and earnestness that "I haven't seen anything to prove he is a natural born citizen" as if they are some sort of omniscient being with the ability to see behind documents, words or acts to apprehend the ultimate truth.
If a birth certificate or "certificate of live birth" isn't good enough, what is? Time travel to the date of birth, in the delivery room?
I mean, Occam's razor takes over at some point. What's the simplest explanation? That the Hawaiian birth certificate is authentic. Otherwise, one has to believe that the state of Hawaii is involved in a huge conspiracy, and that some very unreliable documents hold the truth.

I have not actually seen anyone called TruthPolitick posting comments myself, so it's neither been proven nor disproven that such a person actually exists.

I subscribe to World Net Daily because I want to see what the crazies are up to. Just received an email from them and it appears that Andrew Sullivan is now a birther!

When will this insanity stop???

"United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

And don't forget, either, that this kind of philosophy is being followed by C Streeters whose founder admired Hitler, along with Pol Pot, as "great men" to be emulated.

Otherwise, one has to believe that the state of Hawaii is involved in a huge conspiracy, and that some very unreliable documents hold the truth.

Not just the state of Hawaii. For the birfers to be right, the US State Department, the Social Security Administration, the Department of Education, Punahoe School, Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard University, the state of Illinois, and the University of Chicago law school would all have to be in on a massive conspiracy to cover up the fact that Obama lacks a valid US birth certificate. And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head -- I'm sure there are more.

But apparently they consider the fact that a half-dozen US agencies would have to have conspired together for the past 47 years to cover up Obama's lack of a birth certificate to be much, much more plausible than believing that Orly Taitz is a friggin' nutjob.

This should be corrected to read "Last week, Hawaii's health director apparently checked the president's birth certification again" not birth certificate.
Obama probably does not have a birth certificate.

No, he has acrtificate of live birth, because hat's whatHawaii calls its birth certificates, dipshit. Why is that so hard to understand?

I think TruthPolitik wants to see a time-stamped video of Stanley Dunham giving birth in a room with a view of Muana Kea. Of course there would have to be panning shots to prove that wasn't just a photo taped in the window. And you CAN fake time-stamps, so maybe Obama's Mom should be holding that morning's newspaper up to the camera. But then, that wouldn't prove that he wasn't born 3-years later, because she could have kept the paper and taken it to Kenya with her. And really, how could the video prove the baby was the same child as the one who grew up to be President.

Nope, I think I have to reconsider just exactly what "proof" would satisfy Truthy Politick.

The vastness of the conspiracy to pretend Obama is a natural born citizen is proof that he's the Anti-Christ. No one but Satan could have put together such a vast conspiracy. No one. Think about it. And watch The Omen again, even though it got his race and class wrong, it's all ABOUT Obama.

Just remember: Abraham Lincoln did not have a birth certificate either. Think about that.

Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961

Happy birthday, Mr. President!

The problem you Lie-bruls have is that you can't understand a simple thing that Good Patriot American Conservatives know -- you cannot trust officials from a U.S. state's government (Hawaii), but you can definitely preliminarily trust a document from a newly emerging African state from the 1960s when a picture of it appears on the internet thanks to an attorney / dentist / realtor lady.

The problem you Lie-bruls have is that you can't understand a simple thing that Good Patriot American Conservatives know -- you cannot trust officials from a U.S. state's government (Hawaii), but you can definitely preliminarily trust a document from a newly emerging African state from the 1960s when a picture of it appears on the internet thanks to an attorney / dentist / realtor lady.

"Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is."

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

See the latest? Apparently it's a hoax. in Afrikaans!

From Jesus General:
In fact the IPTC markup data of the document reveals it to be a fake

NOTICE: This image is a work of parody and political commentary. It is not a genuine government document. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. A certified copy of his birth record is freely available online. If you thought this was Obama’s real birth certificate, a “smoking gun” proving he’s not a natural-born citizen, then congratulations. You are an idiot. I made this from scratch. It is completely fake, and no document from Kenya or the United Kingdom resembles it.Obama’s president, and will be for the next 3 1/2 to 7 1/2 years. Get used to it.

The bloggites have already located and Erik F. Lavender out of Britan who worked in Africa for the British Government during that period.

Hey, did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

Occam's razor takes over at some point. What's the simplest explanation? That the Hawaiian birth certificate is authentic. Otherwise, one has to believe that the state of Hawaii is involved in a huge conspiracy, and that some very unreliable documents hold the truth.

Occam's razor takes over at some point. What's the simplest explanation? That Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy. Otherwise, one has to believe in any one of dozens of nutty conspiracy theories, and that some very unreliable "witnesses" hold the truth.

Hey, this is fun! And now you know why I believe Oswald killed Kennedy, and why I think the birfers sound just like the JFK conspiracy nuts. Occam's razor, baby.

Crazy White Folks Welcome

"“This is the perfect spot to make our point,” said organizer Orly Taitz through an interpreter. “South Carolina is clearly not part of the United States and therefore…” At that point she was cut off by her assistant and after a short discussion she resumed. “This village in South Carolina claims to be a part of Africa when in fact it is part of America, just like our so-called president…” After another short conference, Taitz continued “I mean he’s not an American so come join us in Africa in South Carolina and that will show him.”"

"Orly Taitz?" 'nuff said!

I second Saint Zak's suggestion at the top: like Chevy Chase on SNL's first season Weekend Update in 1975 when he announced each week that "Generalissimo Franciso Franco is still dead." This following the "interesting" succession wherein Franco was not dead for a number of months while, one presumes, jockeying occurred behind the scenes.

An monthly press release from the Hawaiian government that Barack Obama is still a natural-born citizen would be very helpful.

Between them, the "birthers" and the "truthers" might be a majority of Americans.

I swear to god the comment at 3:14 wasn't me. But be honest, people -- didn't you think it was?

No, quick Google search shows only Erik/Eric K. Lavender being discussed as per how such a person would write "E.K." if British, so what - not any real person found. Planting disinfo, whoever first claimed that?

MRM I hope that wouldn't make you happy if true.

MRM I hope that wouldn't make you happy if true.

Anything that obfuscates the objective facts by implying a vague false equivalence makes me happy. That's pretty much my entire M.O. The health, happiness and productivity of the nation are not my goal here.

"And now you know why I believe Oswald killed Kennedy"

No, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy, but he did father Barack Obama during a secret tryst in Cuba. Obama was then born in Kenya, where he received an experimental treatment to turn his skin black. When Obama was a young child, he ran the government's secret program to fake the moon landing. When Obama was 32, he got into a time machine and went back to Daley Plaza, shot Kennedy, and framed Oswald. That's the truth, I tell ya.

went back to Daley Plaza

Dealey Plaza, my dear. Bad things do happen in Daley Plaza, but not that.

delver: MRM I hope that wouldn't make you happy if true.

It's kind of a gruesome thought. I think it's true.

"Dealey Plaza, my dear."

Oops, I should have known that. I've been to Dealey Plaza. And, no, I'm not some wacko conspiracy theorist. I was there because I was at a conference nearby and took a stroll during the lunch break.

fostert: I was there because I was at a conference nearby and took a stroll during the lunch break.

Oh, really? Was this "conference nearby" held in the Texas Schoolbook Depository, by chance?

Marler: It's kind of a gruesome thought. I think it's true.

Of course you do. You probably also think that truthers number in the millions; have extensive coverage in the mainstream media; attempt to bring federal lawsuits; rent billboards, take over townhalls and fill blogs demanding that Bush prove he wasn't complicit in 9/11; and have convinced nine members of Congress to get on board with truther legislation.

We've learned that there's just about nothing you can't convince yourself of if it allows you to pretend that your party's particular depth of insanity is standard across the political spectrum. You're having a little trouble convincing anyone else, though, including the few remaining ethical members of your party who are honest about who the birthers are, how many of them are running around and what danger they pose to the GOP.

"Oh, really? Was this "conference nearby" held in the Texas Schoolbook Depository, by chance?"

No, it was an FDA-ASTM conference on testing standards for medical implants at the Hyatt. Of course, you could make the case that the FDA folks aren't any more sane than the Oswald conspiracy folks.

There are many embarrassing details missing as well, such as: since Kenya was still a British colony subject to British Law, the certificate proffered by Taitz and the WND (among others with an axe to grind like Stormfront) did not conform to the requirements of the UK. Also, there has been no records at all of Stanley Dunham's presence in Kenya in 1961, and I think the UK would at least be interested in an American going through the country, since even during my visit in 1986 on the "Mobile Chernobyl" [aka CVN-70] one still had the malaria procedures in place. Plus the hospital stay would have triggered some kind of diplomatic record. None has been provided by Orly and her riff raff. So, while the R of Kenya may have been sloppy about such things, the UK authorities aren't. Ever.

I was listening on KGO yesterday AM on Brian Copeland's show, and like every other RWer she blathers on until her mic gets cut. She did make it an issue about how the State of Hawaii officials weren't educated but she was (Copeland got her to actually admit her law school 'wasn't Harvard", well, stone the crows), authorized to speak before CA courts and the SCOTUS (might be worth a fact check, methinks) and therefore only her opinion was valid. Copeland kept raising the details we all see above, but Orly didn't have any of it.

So, here's the deal for me, at the risk of making her a media martyr:

Either she provides the independent and verified proof of Obama actually being born in Kenya, or disbarment proceedings should be initiated for slandering a citizen of the United States. The fact he's POTUS is in my view irrelevant, it's that in the face of all of the documentation, both official (HI data) and anecdotal (Advertiser and Star Bulletin birth announcements...why would they do that from Kenya??), and the lack of any diplomatic records for Stanley Dunham (who never took the Obama name on any government records, birther bums) crossing into or out of Kenya in 1961 in spite of the known British predilection for protocol, Orly taitz still claims Obama wasn't born in the US, on the public airwaves, and stated as "fact". It's reckless, known already to be false, and intended to harm Obama's reputation. Even though he is a public figure, she cannot use that as protection once the facts have already been presented to her, and dredging up this "certificate" [also getting lots of blather time] makes it clear that she has no scruples about lying.

Let us not forget she also orchestrated the chickenhawk Birther (yeah I know he's a LtCol, but he's still a coward in my book, no matter what rank he currently holds) flapfest of last month, claiming victory even though the existing Army policy prescribed the outcome.

I also looked at my birth certificate and it is also a "Certificate Of A Live Birth." It looks a lot like President Obama's real one. I was able to obtain a drivers license, go to college and nursing school and join the US Army with this document and get a passport. No state is going to give you the original as they then would not have the original on record for a later time. That part of the arguement always gets lost.

In the good old days when the marginal top rate was 94% they put the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence on a special train and drove those suckers around for everybody to goggle at. We should do that again with the addition of Obama's birth certificate and rub every birther's nose in all three of the documents and announce loudly and slowly "Documents good!" until they get it. It's one thing to hate the guy for his skin color or for your interpretations of his policies but this is unamerican and worse than having the Supreme Court announce your presidency like some kind of charity case.

Forgery or coincidence??

"One of my friends in the small community of Obama “birther”-debunkers passes on quite the discovery: a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. There are striking similarities between this document and the one Orly Taitz is passing off as a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama."

This kind of stuff used to be called lunatic fringe. And it was -- the folks who believed it were demonstrably mentally ill. Now it appears 25% of the public is buying it. What to think? Either sane people are believing crazy stuff, or we're seeing an unparalleled epidemic of mental disease. My bet's on #2.

Followup on PTate; the scoop on the forgery was produced by Koyaan on politijab (http://politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099). The original BC was for a David Jeffrey Bomford, born in Australia. Some birthers are now arguing that the Bomford BC is the forgery, but they're just running on quickly cooling steam. Bomford.net (currently down due to bandwidth overload) is an Australian family's genealogy site that's been around since 2005.

Mnemosyne:

The bloggites have already located and Erik F. Lavender out of Britan who worked in Africa for the British Government during that period.

Worked for the British Government. In the Republic of Kenya. Yeah, that makes sense: there really is no bottom to their well of stupidity.

Hey, did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

Orly Taitz`s story about the new BC document all starts back a month ago with the EBAY seller posting a birth certificate up for bid.The guy was Marcus Lucas who has a shifty pass, trying to sell a haunted house to selling one of his kidney`s.......EBAY finally shut him down after several attempts in rewording his auction item....Marcus then went to WND and got in touch with Joseph Farah and offered to sell it to him...negotiations for some reason fell through..Next comes Ed Hale of PRN http://www.plainsradio.com/ who is a scam artist and started the birthers with Orly Taitz.He has raised thousands of dollars in his chat rooms from followers over the past year and a half to find BC to bring O bama to his knees and get him out of office....Ed is a racist and has in the past threatend on his internet radio show to harm Obama....So,Ed got in touch with Marcus and bought the BC and gave it to Orly....The reason the person said his life was in danger and could not reveal who he is,is not because of danger,Ed and he dont want anyone to know that it was the EBAY guy who was the selller to Ed Hale also in on this scam is Steve Pidgeon a lawyer who in the past has recived over $10,000 dollars in contributions from Ed Hale supporters to find a BC ...So..............that is where this BC camr from....LOL