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August 10, 2009

PALIN SEES 'INTIMIDATION' AND 'HARASSMENT' AS BAD FOR P.R.... A certain former governor has added yet another intriguing message to her Facebook page. Jonathan Martin reports:

A few days after suggesting that Democratic healthcare proposals being debated in Washington may imperil the life of her son, Trig, Sarah Palin Sunday urged reform opponents to not give the opposition fodder by disrupting town halls. [...]

"There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment," Palin wrote. "Such tactics diminish our nation's civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters' passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

I see. So, on Friday, President Obama intends to create a "death panel" that would kill special-needs children, reforming the health care system into something "downright evil." On Monday, it's important not to "diminish our nation's civil discourse." Wise words, to be sure.

Keep in mind, this probably shouldn't be seen as Palin walking her vile criticism back. Her message, rather, seems to be aimed at the far-right protestors who've been disrupting public events and discussions. She thinks they ought to be mindful of their "tactics," not because mob tactics are offensive, but because she believes health care reform would be awful and "intimidation or harassment" might be bad for public relations.

I don't think it occurs to Palin that far-right activists might be less inclined to intimidate and harass if their leaders stopped telling them that the White House wants to kill children and their grandparents.

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"I don't think it occurs to Palin that far-right activists might be less inclined to intimidate and harass if their leaders stopped telling them that the White House wants to kill children and their grandparents."

That's what happens just as Palin last week was lamenting against the media for making things up.

Posted by: Bartender on August 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

"we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly"

Well, then, OK; why don't you start dimwit Palin.

Posted by: Bill on August 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM | PERMALINK

It might be worthwhile to investigate who is actually writing posts over Sarah Palin's name. Not that it's impossible that she is writing all her posts herself; it's just that most politicians don't write their own statements, and many don't write anything at all. Palin just never struck me as much of a writer.

If Palin had more than one ghostwriter, that might explain the variance in tone from one day to the next.

Posted by: Zathras on August 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM | PERMALINK

I'm sure this stunning expose of her hypocrisy will make those reactionary dimwits that comprise her fanbase completely abandon her.

Posted by: norbizness on August 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

No way did Palin write that herself.

Posted by: Hoyt Pollard on August 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM | PERMALINK

It's obvious that Obama has just bought off Palin by sparing the life of Trig. Don't listen to her. Liberty now!

Posted by: Kevin the Baker on August 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM | PERMALINK

Looks like Piper got her hands on her mother's keyboard over the weekend - this latest Palin post is too coherent to have come from her mother.

Posted by: ghillie on August 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

From the office of the president of all of the disUnited States:

Dear Sara,

We do not want to kill your children, just your parents and the parents of your children.

Posted by: The White House on August 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM | PERMALINK

Wait, wait. So Palin's distraught that people believed her and reacted as though what she said was true?

And that those reactions are embarrassing and make her look bad?

Um, do the math, dumbass.

Posted by: DH Walker on August 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM | PERMALINK

Regardless of who wrote it, the civil discourse comment seems to be a 'cover her ass' move, in case anything bad happens stemming from the nonsense that has been written.

Posted by: agave on August 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM | PERMALINK

Her message, rather, seems to be aimed at the far-right protestors who've been disrupting public events and discussions.

It's aimed at the critics of the protesters, in an effort to provide her political cover.

Posted by: scudbucket on August 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM | PERMALINK

Sarah Palin's vulgar Facebook quotation was presented on "Meet the Press" not as a dangerous screed but as one more comment in a serious and important discussion.

How ironic that it took a conservative opinion maker, David Brooks, to speak up against her "crazy" making. His self-respect and basic intelligence give him the ability to think past knee jerk ideas. He was the only guest on "Meet the Press" on 9 Aug. to dismiss Limbaugh and Palin as "crazies." The other two guests, Jon Meacham and Erin Burnett, were virtually silent on the matter. Meacham made a ludicrous comment about the debate coming down to people on the right shouting, "Socialism!" and those on the left saying they're crazy, when Brooks, a conservative, had just stated that those of Limbaugh, Palin, and the town hallers' ilk are "crazies." Meacham's caution and small thinking are sincerely disheartening. He is still upholding the unworkable idea that every debate has two equal sides that deserve equal treatment--the discredited "fair and balanced" approach to journalism, which has harmed us so.

Meacham also dumbed down the discussion by saying that Americans hate the insurers but love their doctors (not so, many Americans don't have a personal doctor but must see whomever is available, oftentimes a physician's assistant with no meaningful connection to the patient, no real interest or respectful bedside manner). Burnett got to repeat a self-serving line about Americans wanting a bipartisan plan, plainly misreading public sentiment and honoring craftily written polls.

Posted by: Eli on August 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM | PERMALINK

I think this is her version of drunk dialing. She got fucked up Friday night and sent out the crazy. Then when the Monday morning hangover came after her binge weekend, she realized she better try to cover her ass, and had somebody write up the new note.
Maybe she was partying with her husband's business partner again and he got her stoned. Either way, she is still a dimwit.

Posted by: Patrick on August 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

Do y'all think we'll live to see her finally enter a mental health treatment facility? Or is her ability to stumble on, making it up as she goes along and humiliating herself a little more every week, endless with all these losers propping her up?

Posted by: shortstop on August 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Its funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want faceless bureaucrats making medical decisions but they have no problem with private sector faceless bureaucrats daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the private sector is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait, Medicare and Medicaid and our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, thats right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown and Katrina but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.

How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. Its easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and thats all I been seeing, they hate and cant debate. Too bad.

Posted by: Paul on August 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

I really like the quote about understanding the bill clearly. Because no one knows clear understanding like Ms Palin does. I am always struck by her crystal clear reasoning skills.

Posted by: zhak on August 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait, Medicare and Medicaid and our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown and Katrina but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.

How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a lynch mob advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.

Posted by: Paul on August 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

What a ditz.. Another trip to hillbilly heaven.

Posted by: The Galloping Trollop on August 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM | PERMALINK

What do this announcement and Neimann Marcus have in common?

Just another way for Palin to cover her ass and let someone else pick up the tab.

Posted by: doubtful on August 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

Today she is on meds. Friday she wasn't. Such vacillation is normal for certifiable crazy folks.

Posted by: mlm on August 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM | PERMALINK

What do this announcement and Neimann Marcus have in common?

Just another way for Palin to cover her ass and let someone else pick up the tab.
Posted by: doubtful

Brilliant. Also funny as hell.

Posted by: hells littlest angel on August 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM | PERMALINK

Palin's little "walk-back" or whatever; similar to Becks's imploring his loser fans to forsake violence, is just them covering their asses. They are just as certain as the readers of this blog that someone is gonna do something bad. Then when (not if) it happens, they can deny any sort of culpability. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that they were advised to do so by an attorney.

Posted by: bikelib on August 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM | PERMALINK

Well, it turns out there IS a state which has already reformed Medicare to be so lousy that "death panels" could be believed:

ALASKA under Governor Palin

Anchorage Daily News July 15, 2009 Troubled Alaska health programs face federal restriction

State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life -- taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom -- are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.
The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements.

No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

In the meantime, frail and vulnerable Alaskans who desperately need the help are struggling. One elderly woman is stuck in a nursing home, for lack of care at home. Another woman, suffering from chronic pain and fatigue, said she's so weak, she often can't even pop dinner into the microwave.

The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.

A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.

Too sick for even a cynical bastard like me to make a joke...

Posted by: ROTFLOL on August 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM | PERMALINK

The Teabaggers don't understand that it is they who cause disruption and incivility.

They actually are trying to say it's everyone else who are being uncivil to them.

Posted by: cld on August 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK

It seems to me that some of these actions by the right must be violations of some laws. Where is the law enforcement arm of the government, pledged to protect and serve? They would have to arrest some of their own were they called in, so better not to invlove them.

Where are the lawyers with slap suits on these morons? There must be more that can be done than just complaining on these threads. Doesn't the FCC have some jurisdiction to restrain the fomenting of lies on the public airwaves?

None of this makes any sense to me.

Posted by: st john on August 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM | PERMALINK

I don't expect she could elaborate those "disturbing details", either.

Posted by: bob h on August 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM | PERMALINK

I would be a lot more inclined to believe the "we should be civil and work to understand this bill" schtick if she didn't finish with a demonstrable lie:

"Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

Posted by: socratic_me on August 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK

Some body else wrote that besides Palin. Just compare it to her death panel nonsense. Someone told her "you have to sound more intelligent...try this". Which begs the question...what kind of meds is Palin on? If you were dating someone who flipped back and forth like Palin...you'd dump her.

I am so sick of insane goobers being given national attention. Used to be the media editors for news just wouldn't post stupidity. They would scrutinize stories leaving out those they knew to be lies or just too dumb to print or reference. Now stupidity is heralded if it has an ounce of shock value.

The cultivation of ignorance and stupidity sells ads because the more important advertisers can make them believe they are, the more special, the more they'll buy their products.

America's deterioration began with Reagan and Fox propaganda news and all their cohorts like Rush, O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity etc given a national platform and we all know it. They use the 'law' to destroy what the law 'stands' for.

We are standing at the most crucial point of our democracy where we must face down a fascist corporatism indoctrinating crazies to beat us into submission if we are to save our democracy. We have the power of numbers but the MSM is an arm of the corporatists and only the internet can keep them at bay. A democratic success on HC ins reform will bring us out of this dire straight...so we must absolutely ensure its success for it carries the entire weight of our democratic process behind it.

Posted by: bjobotts on August 10, 2009 at 6:31 PM | PERMALINK

Palin is a vindictive patsy who is being used as a mouthpiece by her colleagues. She seems not to notice that she is piling up crazy positions on issues that will ensure she never again holds public office - unless the birthers and anti-reform they-gonna-kill-my-gramma nutjobs get their own state.

Posted by: Mark on August 10, 2009 at 9:27 PM | PERMALINK

She is a sociopath.

Posted by: johnnymags on August 11, 2009 at 10:10 AM | PERMALINK
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