Great! Now if we can just get CBS, NBC, CNN, and the rest to follow suit, there's an actual chance for sanity.

Much as I appreciate Media Matters, it would be nice if they rewarded good behavior (like this) once in a while. It might help the networks be a little more understanding of what's expected.

Well, I just fell out of my chair. Between this and Stephanapolous on Sunday saying "It's not in the bill", it looks like it's time I ended my ABC boycott and started watching their news instead of NBC's.

I watched the video. Although it was somewhat helpful, I thought it still pretty weak tea. What they failed to point out is that under the current system people's end-of-life decisions are being made by insurance companies.

Under the current bill, it still won't matter whether you fill out the paperwork, your insurer is STILL going to be making the decisions about how and when you die.

If the word "liar" was not used in the reportage, then the news has not been reported.

"Much as I appreciate Media Matters, it would be nice if they rewarded good behavior (like this) once in a while. It might help the networks be a little more understanding of what's expected." -Christopher

Christopher, Don't enable incompetence. Professional News Organizations know better. If they make a mistake, they should correct it. If it's a lie, they should say so. If they have no clue what Journalistic Integrity is, they should not expect MediaMatters to be 'nice' to them first before they start doing their jobs.

Yes, it would be encouraging to show where it's being done right but that doesn't mean that they don't know better ("It might help the networks be a little more understanding of what's expected"). If they don't they should shut themselves down and try something else.

On WBBM radio (Chicago) however, the (generally brain-dead) announcer was talking about how all the recent trouble at all these Town Halls indicates 'the concern Americans have with health care reform'.

Talk about being an Accessory to the crime.

Everbody knows Kate Snow is a fascist hack in league with Satan. Just ask Newt Gingrich, he'll tell you. Or any random Caucasian citizen with wrinkles and white hair. They'll tell you LOUDLY, emphatically, repeatedly and without any opportunity for you to get a word in edgewise.

"If the word "liar" was not used in the reportage, then the news has not been reported."

John, I don't think you are correct. The reportage should clearly say "untrue", and leave it to the listener to deduce whether the untruth is the result of incompetence, gullibility, ignorance, or actual lying.

teevee is madness; this kate snow of whom you speak is like a gallup outlier...

John, I don't think you are correct. The reportage should clearly say "untrue", and leave it to the listener to deduce whether the untruth is the result of incompetence, gullibility, ignorance, or actual lying.
Posted by: Johnny Canuck on August 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM

What kind of mealy mouthed bullshit are you trying to advocate?

Why give them the benefit of the doubt? To not speak forcefully to this is to advance the lie itself.

The construction of their argument is manifestly fraudulent. These liars need to be exposed and discredited.

They have no problem advancing lies. We should have no problem pointing this out.

And the part about letting the listener decide does not fly. Most people are not politically aware enough to make an accurate determination about this.

Give me liberty or give me death panels!

In the ABC report, they only referred to "New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey" and NOT that she was a Republican. Repeat: NOT that she was a Republican.

Also, NOT that she was part of a previous discredited attempt to scotch health care legislation. Nor that McCaughey made the bogus claim was on Republican Fred Thompson's radio show.

I noticed these failings when it was broadcast on Monday and was disgusted.

Steve misleadingly summarizes the report by putting a "(R)" in his post next to McCaughey. That's not how the report was aired.

OK. But what are the odds that ABC runs some conservative "analysis" from some "expert" who says Snow is the crazy one, a typical liberal media wack job? And ABC receives 10,000 emails saying "Fire Snow! BOO! She's spoiling the fun with facts!"

That's the second time ABC News has run a good piece on this whole debate. Last week Jake Tapper explained who was funding FreedomWorks, etc. I used to think ABC News leaned right but maybe I am wrong.

And in other news NPR reports that there has been "heated debate" about health care at Town Halls. So disruption aimed at preventing any actual discussion is now "debate."

I think the lies have become so ridiculous at this point that the media feels it's okay to debunk them without much qualification--also, several prominent Repubs are saying the same things, see the the post about the Repub Senator from Georgia, below.
The rightwing corporate media has cover on this, along with the birth certificate issue.

Sorry, that's OBAMA'S JOB !!

This Admin has to fight back
IT's just like during the primaries when Clinton would run wild, unchallenged by Obama

OBAMA HAS TO FIGHT

Call Lies LIES !!
Why did they replace Howard Dean as DNC Chariman ??
Tim Kaine is a Wuss

The more major news outlets run pieces like these, the better off the public will be.

Word. One of the reason Republicans can lie so baldly is because the so-called "liberal media" -- at best because it's been cowed by the conservative movement's decades-long strategy of working the refs -- simply won't call Republican lies what they or, and so Republicans face no consequence at all for lying. They don't lose credibility; to the contrary, they're invited back for next week's show.

If there are consequences for lying, the GOP won't do it as much (they have to some, of course, because they can't sell their policies to the public otherwise, but at least they'll have to return to more careful and traditional methods, like pretending to be "fiscally conservative" or to uphold "family values").

But it's the media that needs to impose these consequences -- at the very least by simply denying a forum to the liars. Thus far, with this and precious few other exceptions, the so-called "liberal media" has given a megaphone, not the Gong Show gong, to the liars and their lying lies.

Quiddity,

Steve routinely, without fail as far as I can remember, denotes party affiliation for all former and current office holders.

Save your outrage for something worthy.

The problem is that the mobs don't believe ANY mainstream media. They only believe Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc.

On WBBM radio (Chicago) however... -leo

You know, you could always listen to WCPT. I gave up on WBBM years ago, and only switch over when traffic is backed up, like yesterday.

After the traffic report, I immediately switched back to Ron Reagan's wonderful interview with Mario Cuomo.

Wow. If the wingnuts are losing the MSM, albeit slowly and grudgingly, the level of their desperation will surely rise even higher and their claims become even more outrageous.

Probably a good time to oil up the old Kevlar boxer shorts, isn't it?

"Wow. If the wingnuts are losing the MSM, albeit slowly and grudgingly, the level of their desperation will surely rise even higher and their claims become even more outrageous."

Surely debunking outright lies on the air means that ABC is part of the state-run Obamamedia!

Great! Now if we can just get CBS, NBC, CNN, and the rest to follow suit, there's an actual chance for sanity.

Ratings are the most convincing thing around.

Astounding--ABC, "The Path to 9/11 Network," the network of Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopolous, takes a break from shilling for the GOP to get something right, even if they couldn't get so radical as to identify McCaughey as a Republican. Forgive me for assuming this is an anomaly rather than the trend, until we see a sustained improvement in behavior.

I saw this last night as it aired and I was very impressed. Which is really a sad commentary on news coverage in general because my expectations are now so low.

The assumption is the speaker is in possession of the relevant facts and is relating them truthfully. This is a consideration extended by the listener. The burden of meeting this is not a problem for people of integrity and honor.

Calling end-of-life counseling a death panel is not a mistake, misstatement or materially insignificant. It is a lie that is designed to undermine debate and the democratic principle of informed consent. It is an affront to our country, to our citizens and to decent human beings.

This lying has become endemic, and is eroding the proper functioning of our democracy. For instance, the lying that got us into the unnecessary Iraq war. 4300+ dead Americans and untold Iraqis.

Yes, it sure would be nice if the rest of the MSM would report with some real balance. I watched AC360 on CNN last night and all they reported on was the disturbances and the shouting at the town halls. No mention of all the misinformation that is most likely fueling it all. I kept waiting for a counterpoint to it all but it never came.

Last week Jake Tapper explained who was funding FreedomWorks, etc. I used to think ABC News leaned right but maybe I am wrong.

My takeaway: Right wingnuttia is so far around the bend that the sliding scale of "can't ignore it" has reached the Jake Tapper level.

Now, if ABC doesn't play Clean Slate by forgetting what it knows, I'll reconsider.

4:23 pm
My wife finishes off the last of the dishes on the counter by washing my standard pint beer glass and setting it on the counter as she washes her's.
4:24 and 40 secs pm
A loud crash is heard as the glass as if by magic cools and skips toward the edge and plunges the 36 inches of standard counter height to ultimately break into 12 pieces and some fines
4:30
Recently resigned Ex-Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin insists something super naturally evil is afoot and that the dancing glass and resulting shards are meant as an indication that a ominous wicked diety wants to female circumsize her infant. She uses the glasses' ability to move on it's own as proof.

This and other denouncements could actually be a sign that backlash against the lies and attacks is becoming so serious as to actually hurt the Republican party and those who support them.

My wife watches the ABC Evening News egularly, so I did see this las night. I thought ABC handled it pretty well, plus, Kate Snow is much easier on the eyes than Charlie Gibson.

wow, even Charlie sounds stunned by the fact that ABC is fact-checking. He says "occasionally, we'll be doing that", as if in apology for sneaking some truth into his newscast.

This may be what the bill says but we need to look past the words and see how they will be enacted and by whom. In WI they are doing this voluntarily wo why not have other states follow suit without it being in the bill? Keep the gov't out of it, just tear those 10 pages out. That will save even more money as when gov't gets involved, the costs rise.

My opposition of the bill is deeper than this. We need to fix the underlying problems before throwing money at it. Tort reform is needed, Illegals need to be off the US healthcare payout. Constitutional loopholes need closed so an illegal cannot cross the border to give birth just so that child can have US healthcare and welfare. Prescription drug prices meed to be brought under control. Many of these drugs are ones that were developed with Gov't grant money so we have actually already paid for them once... why are we paying for them again? Just charge the cost of the deductible with no extra payout from Insurance companies. Get rid of half the red tape in the Medicare system now, streamline and make it cheaper and also better for the elderly. Make sure there are no loopholes for the insurance companies to pass along their costs in other forms such as home or auto. Fix these things and see where we are before changing the rest.

You're right Steve - ABC did a good job with that segment but let's hold back the praise a bit here - they're calling it a special segment, a 'Fact Check' series. Gibson said 'we'll be doing that from time to time." The segment was what we used to expect from reporters, doing 'reporting' which was then presented on 'news' shows. I would sure hope to hell they WILL be doing that from time to time!

The fact that "ABC Runs Solid Fact-Checking Statement" makes for a good headline speaks volumes about the current state of the corporate media.

You're so wrong and that's the problem with the MSM. It relentlessly regurgitates the lies until they become the accepted truth, then there are a few correctives, so few, so late that it's irrelevant. In the case of the death panels, if the MSM cared, they could exposed the lies almost immediately after the first high profile liar opened their mouth. But they didn't. And we're all worse off for it. This corrective from ABC is way too little, too late. But it's SOP for the MSM.

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