August 12, 2009
HARDLY EVIDENCE OF STAGECRAFT.... For conservative bloggers, this, apparently, is the outrageous story of the day.
A girl from Malden asked President Obama a question at Tuesday's town hall meeting in New Hampshire about the signs outside "saying mean things" about his health care proposal.
Eleven-year-old Julia Hall asked: "How do kids know what is true, and why do people want a new system that can -- that help more of us?"
The president responded by talking a bit about some of the things he's also seen on those signs. Julia Hall later told the Boston Globe that she got a chance to shake Obama's hand and get a picture after the event. "It was like a once in a lifetime experience," she said. The same article noted that Hall's mother "was shocked when her daughter said she wanted to ask a question."
So, what's the scandal? Apparently, the girl's mom also supported the Obama campaign during the election, working as a coordinator of Massachusetts Women for Obama last year.
This is evidence of ... something nefarious? I'm having a little trouble understanding the basis of the complaint, but perusing some of the far-right blogs, the argument seems to go like this: Kathleen Manning Hall supported the Obama campaign. Julia Hall is Kathleen Manning Hall's daughter. The younger Hall was called on at a town-hall meeting on health care. Therefore, at least according to Michelle Malkin, the question was "planted," the president relies on "human props," and the event itself was "Kabuki." As Malkin explained, "As we always like to point out: There are no coincidences in Obama world."
The things one learns from reading far-right blogs.
I see that conservatives are really worked up about this, but as controversies go, this is awfully thin. We've seen plenty examples of manufactured White House stagecraft and, as desperate as the far-right is to make a fuss, this isn't it.
Indeed, I'm a little surprised conservative bloggers would even consider this topic worthy of outrage. When Bush was president, public town-hall meetings were carefully pre-packaged, organized, controlled, scripted events. Public audiences were screened to make sure attendees agreed with the party line, and if White House officials didn't like a ticket-holder's bumper sticker or lapel pin, he/she was denied entry.
Ticket distribution was limited to local Republican Parties, and once in a while, Americans who wanted to participate in the town-hall meetings were required to sign "loyalty oaths." In some instances, a White House advance team would literally rehearse events in advance to make sure attendees said the right things to the president.
In contrast, President Obama deliberately sought out attendees yesterday who were skeptical of health care reform. "Kabuki"? Please.
Far-right bloggers pick the strangest things to get excited about.
—Steve Benen 3:10 PM
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Stop acting so surprised that the far right wingnuts are acting so outraged by anything Obama does. I'm still waiting for a wingnut to bitch about how Obama ties his shoelaces!
Posted by: PaulW on August 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM | PERMALINK
I heard he has a white guy tie them for him. every day.
Posted by: glutz78 on August 12, 2009 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK
The whole country is against healthcare reform except for you bubble dwellers on this blog.
Despite his silver tongue, the One couldn't inspire a spontaneous movement like the freedom protesters. So he bullied some little girl into being his dupe.
Doesn't sound like her mother is much of a parent.
Posted by: Mlke K on August 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM | PERMALINK
maybe "Julia Hall" was really a big puppet operated by Obama operative Kathleen "Ma" Hall.
Posted by: bdbd on August 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM | PERMALINK
That little girl better watch her back if Michelle Malkin is on her case. Ms. Malkin is perfectly capable of stalking this dangerous preteen, lurking in the shrubbery the way she did to catch the boy who appeared in a paid TV spot promoting the Children's Health Insurance Program. What it was she meant to catch him doing was never entirely clear. Apparently the fact that he is covered by CHIP, yet he and his family aren't living in a cardboard box under a bridge living on squirrels proves what a fraud the entire CHIP program is. Or something.
Stay alert, Julia. There are some real crazies loose on the streets of America.
Posted by: Mandy Cat on August 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM | PERMALINK
"Indeed, I'm a little surprised conservative bloggers would even consider this topic worthy of outrage. When Bush was president, public town-hall meetings were carefully pre-packaged, organized, controlled, scripted events. Public audiences were screened to make sure attendees agreed with the party line, and if White House officials didn't like a ticket-holder's bumper sticker or lapel pin, he/she was denied entry."
In addition, a guy openly (and legally) carried a handgun a few days ago, to a meeting where the president was speaking. Can you imagine a liberal doing that during the Bush administration, and *not* being shot dead?
In the end, 90% of what the right says is pure freudian projection. It's a rare thing when they aren't accusing the left of what the right has done ten times as much.
Posted by: Bary on August 12, 2009 at 3:24 PM | PERMALINK
They're always looking in the mirror when they make these accusations.
Posted by: doubtful on August 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM | PERMALINK
I worry that every armed wingnut will see that the guy in Portsmouth managed to get on TV with Chris Matthews, and that masses of them will show up armed at the other Obama Town Halls. This is just getting too hairy- I wish he would not go.
Posted by: bob h on August 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM | PERMALINK
and a couple days ago when that unaffiliated "just a mom" at a townhall turned out to be a local republican official who had worked for the previous republican incumbent, that was just a co-incidence, right?
thought so.
Posted by: mellowjohn on August 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM | PERMALINK
The irony isn't in comparing an Obama event to a Bush scripted event. It is when an attendee at a Bush event went off-script, which often spelled bad news for the audacious. Such as this man who was fired from his job for heckling at a Bush event.
So how many Republicans have been fired for heckling so far this year?
[crickets]
Posted by: Marko on August 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK
Did she at least bring her birth certificate with her?
Posted by: chrenson on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK
My favorite Bush stagecraft moment was when he used soldiers on that morning show live feed and it turned out they'd been coached.
And how well I recall when Malkin took umbrage about it and wrote at length about how wrong it was to use troops for political theater.
Posted by: zhak on August 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM | PERMALINK
Right. And those sickening "questions" proferred by fawning "citizens" during the Bush town halls were all spontaneous gestures.
TDS ran a montage last night and I almost puked.
Posted by: bdop4 on August 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM | PERMALINK
In addition, a guy openly (and legally) carried a handgun a few days ago, to a meeting where the president was speaking. Can you imagine a liberal doing that during the Bush administration, and *not* being shot dead?
Oh please. Back in the good old days of Republican rule when everything was perfect in this country, wearing an anti-Bush tee shirt or having an anti-Bush bumper sticker was enough to get you roughed up. Good times.
And let's not forget that oath of allegiance to Bush that those folks in Florida gave during the 2004 campaign.
But, you know, at least Bush didn't try to reform health care. All he did was start illegal and unnecessary wars and cut taxes to starve the nation's infrastructure.
Posted by: zhak on August 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
Steve Benen wrote: "Far-right bloggers pick the strangest things to get excited about."
They pick the things that they know will push the well-programmed buttons of the Ditto-Heads.
What we are seeing now is the fruit of a generation of corporate brainwashing conducted through the phony "conservative media": an army of weak-minded, ignorant, mean-spirited zombies who will slavishly believe, say, do and obey whatever the corporations pay Rush Limbaugh et al to tell them.
It's pretty easy being a "far-right blogger" -- all you have to do to make a name for yourself is to copy-and-paste scripted, corporate-sponsored propaganda, and you will be an instant hero to thousands of Ditto-Heads.
Posted by: SecularAnimist on August 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
A friend of mine calls them the "projection party," and things like this is why.
Posted by: Jake on August 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM | PERMALINK
"...but as controversies go..."
Got to give them another name as they really are not 'controversies.' "Conserversies" perhaps?
Posted by: bubba on August 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM | PERMALINK
Complaining about this enables them to claim the whole thing was staged, and therefore can be ignored, or possibly, even pointed to as (yet another) example of Obama's lies.
It's not strange, it's strategic, in order to reinforce their rhetoric.
Posted by: biggerbox on August 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM | PERMALINK
mellowjohn - ya beat me to it - my thought exactly. And while we are on the subject ...who exactly is putting up the protesters? Discuss
Posted by: John R on August 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM | PERMALINK
70% of the tickets to yesterday's town hall meeting with the president went to people who requested one online, 30% were handed out by local politicians.
Someone should camp outside Malkin's house with a boom box loop-playing clips of the Shrub's town hall meetings.
Posted by: karen marie on August 12, 2009 at 4:16 PM | PERMALINK
GWB pre-packaged his town halls with sympathizers, and you had to affirm that you were a "party member" or sympathizer to get on the list. Yet again the whining and keening from the fault party is just noise.
Posted by: johnnymags on August 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK
how long before Michelle has an APB out to find out what kind of counter-tops the Hall's have?
Posted by: Dreggas on August 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM | PERMALINK
They are just recycling the complaints about Bush and trying to make them applicable to Obama.
Even NPR:
NPR people were asked about one of the major astroturfers and
they said that they had never heard of them.
Posted by: rj on August 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM | PERMALINK
Uh. Free speech zones. Loyalty oaths. Prescreened audiences. STFU conservative morans.
Posted by: Justin on August 12, 2009 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK
Zhak - that was my favourite G.W. Bush "spontaneous conversation with the President" too. I remember they accidentally filmed and fed the briefing beforehand, in which they established who would ask what questions and rehearsed their delivery. Of course the tone-deaf Bush administration pushed ahead with the staged meeting anyway, and the good soldiers delivered their mostly-softball questions right on cue, playing second banana to the biggest banana of them all as they set up his talking points for him.
Posted by: Mark on August 12, 2009 at 4:37 PM | PERMALINK
bubba - I prefer the term Nontroversies.
Posted by: Geeno on August 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM | PERMALINK
Doesn't sound like her mother is much of a parent.
wow. An American child asks her President a question - perhaps her parent got her access to do that? And this makes the parent a "bad" parent?
That would certainly surprise all the donor parents of kids who got photo ops, entry level jobs and internships in the Bush I, Bush II, and Reagan White House.
Although its not accessible to everyone, there's nothing wrong with a politically connected family getting a photo op with a President they admire. That's SOP.
but you seem to be implying that there's something wrong if a parent even ALLOWS their child to ask a question of the President of the United States?
What planet are you from?
Posted by: g on August 12, 2009 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK
...
When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, �The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.� The local police, at the Secret Service�s behest, set up a �designated free-speech zone� on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush�s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president�s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, �As far as I�m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.� ...
Posted by: Dave X on August 12, 2009 at 4:53 PM | PERMALINK
Steve: "Far-right bloggers pick the strangest things to get excited about."
Far-right bloggers getting excited over 11-year-old girls? Why am I not suprised, given that this is the same political demographic whose preachers have a penchant for crystal meth and male hustlers, whose governors run off to Buenos Aires to tango with their soulmates, and whose U.S. senators get arrested in airport men's rooms for having to wide a stance in the stall?
Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on August 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK
mike k: "Doesn't sound like her mother is much of a parent."
Just who in the Hell are you to disparage the parenting skills of someone you've quite obviously never met in your life?
Well, two can play at that game. No doubt, if they'd been your wife and daughter, you'd've probably kicked the living crap out of both of them when they got home.
All conservatives can't possibly be as stupidly obtuse as you - can they? I'll take my answer off the air ...
Posted by: Out & About in the Castro on August 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM | PERMALINK
Seriously...a metaphor that needs to die in political punditry is "kabuki theater." Half the people who use the "like kabuki theater" crap don't know a damn thing about kabuki theater except that "kabuki" sounds funny.
Posted by: Herb on August 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM | PERMALINK
Far-right bloggers getting excited over 11-year-old girls? Why am I not suprised
Because you're familiar with the work of John Derbyshire?
Posted by: Gregory on August 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM | PERMALINK
Blah, blah, blah.....a President uses a selectively-friendly audience to put a popular spin on a key narrative for consumption by the public/media. The opposition yells "plant", "rigged", "message control", etc. It happened during the campaign with both sides, it happened while Bush was President, and so on.
One group of partisans is "outraged -- outraged, I say" at gamesmanship afoot, while the other scratches their collectives heads and says, "Gee, I just don't know what those wacky people are talking about."
Same old story, different players this time. Blah, blah, blah....how boring.
Posted by: Craig on August 12, 2009 at 6:00 PM | PERMALINK
Yep, if someone's accused of something, it's JUST THE SAME as if they actually did it.
Subjectivity has become all powerful. Roshomon is the new model for documentaries!
Posted by: Lupin the 3rd on August 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM | PERMALINK
Indeed, I'm a little surprised conservative bloggers would even consider this topic worthy of outrage.
There are different sets of rules, depending on whether the President is legitimate or not.
Posted by: Davis X. Machina on August 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM | PERMALINK
It's that horse-faced sub human "I'm smart..not dumb like everybody says" Malkin. A swivel eyed snake always looking to "ahah" some person or situation which is so petty to even try to make a connection it's just pathetic.
Some should not be allowed blog much less open their mouths- Malkin. Her sickness even shows all across her face...just look at her...if you can stand it. Sell crazy somewhere else Malkin...we're all stocked up here.
Posted by: bjobotts on August 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM | PERMALINK
It's becoming rather clear that a "Mike K" commenting here is not the Mike Kennedy whose reasonable-enough blog I visit and who also sometimes comments here. There are enough people with similar names, that's going to happen. Moderator, any way to disentangle the various "Mike K"s? (Heh, we already know Myke and Mlke K are parodies ....)
Posted by: Neil B ♪ on August 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM | PERMALINK
You know what would _really_ be outrageous ?
How about if the White House staff speciallyt selected and prepared someone to attend _every_ press conference to ask planted softball questions ?
And although that person was not an actual journalist, the White House gave that person White House Press Corps credentials anyway ?
And how about if that person was found to be using a fake name -- calling themselves, say, Jeff Gannon when their real name was James Guckert?
And how about if that fake journalist was found to be a gay male prostitute ?
And how about if the White House logs sometimes showed that person signing in, but not signing out?
Now _that_ would be a scandal to outrage every social conservative, and to dominate the tabloid press for weeks.
You'd think -- but the Bush White House did exactly that; and somehow I can't recall the ensuing wave of conservative outrage. Probably just a lapse of memory.
Posted by: joel hanes on August 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM | PERMALINK
I recall some kid who was injured in a car accident (or something . . . memory fails me), and was asked to make some kind of statement on the radio (Man, I am getting vague on this). Well, in any case, the right-wingers were about ready to tear him apart.
anyone remember the details on this one?
Oh, and there's also Michael J. Fox and his Parkinson's Disease symptoms that Rush Limbaugh insisted were exaggerated.
They work with a whole different set of ethics than any reasonable person.
Posted by: Daniel Kim on August 13, 2009 at 12:12 AM | PERMALINK
That was Graeme Frost, speaking in favour of SCHIP. For his candor, Malkin compiled a list of "facts" on his family including (1) his wealthy father chose not to pay for insurance for his family of six, although he owns his own business (2) Graeme attended an expensive private school, and (3) the family home had just undergone expensive remodeling and was worth almost a half-mil.
The actual facts were (1) Mr. Frost's business was dissolved in 1999, (2) Graeme attended a private school on a full scholarship, which he earned, and (3) the family home was purchased for $55,000.00 in 1990 and was valued at about $260,000.00 at the time of Malkin's "appraisal".
What a nasty piece of work she is. But thousands believe every word that comes out of her lying mouth.
Posted by: Mark on August 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM | PERMALINK
Far-right bloggers pick the strangest things to get excited about.
All far-right bloggers, without exception, are dicks.
Posted by: David Bailey on August 13, 2009 at 1:06 AM | PERMALINK
Hey, there were people who criticized Obama for sending Clinton to North Korea to rescue those two journalists.
I mean, if you can criticize that...a successful dipolomatic mission...why not criticize Democratic political stagecraft.
Is this Mike K person for real or a parody of a wingnut?
B/C I've seen plenty of kids at tea parties with pretty nasty signs. Is that bad parenting too?
Posted by: ajaye on August 13, 2009 at 1:27 AM | PERMALINK
who will be the first seething right-wing blogger to declare the kid 'fair game'?
Posted by: rnato on August 13, 2009 at 2:09 AM | PERMALINK
They are just recycling the complaints about Bush and trying to make them applicable to Obama.
Ding ding ding ding ding. Liberals complained about the invasion of Iraq, American citizens being wiretapped without cause and prisoners being held without charges and compared those actions to those of the Nazis since, you know, they were big on invading other countries on a flimsy pretext, state surveillance of citizens and imprisoning people without cause. Teabaggers complain about Obama killing grandma and creating death camps and it's all true and shut up, that's why.
At least liberals were complaining about things that actually happened in reality, not fantasies made up by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh that they then demand Democrats disprove and if they can't because it's like trying to prove water is wet to someone who insists it isn't, it's proof positive that it's all true!!!
Posted by: Mnemosyne on August 13, 2009 at 2:44 AM | PERMALINK
Why would anyone with half a brain be surprised by this behavior from right wing blogs?
"OMG they're not logically consistent!"
"OMG they're making evidence-free accusations!"
"OMG they see a conspiracy!"
Yeah, Steve, I'm shocked that right wing blogs are behaving like frothing lunatics. Shocked, I tell ya.
Posted by: cfaller96 on August 13, 2009 at 11:52 AM | PERMALINK
Obama probably didn't know - kind of like the way he never heard his "spiritual mentor" call the US the USofKKK. She was no plant. Hmmm. her mother's facebook page has her photo taken with Obama. No,it's all coincidence. Please.
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