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This is evidence for your 9:50AM story about politicians telling the truth.

Franks is scared that his base might unleash their crazy on him if he told them the truth.

What lisa said (I think)
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Birferism will never go away. We live in a country where children of immigrants shout 'Go back to Africa!' to people who didn't want to leave Africa in the first place but after three or four hundred years in America seem to think they have gained a right to stay.

Obama is a black man with a black wife and black kids. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison could rise from the grave with an affidavit affirming that Obama was a natural born citizen, countersigned by George Washington and it wouldn't erase Obama's fundamental disqualification to be President in Birfer eyes. How do you put someone who is only three-fifths a person in the for crying out loud White House. And when pressed they will point right to that section. "See it is in the Constitution."

I talk a lot about this at our blog. There is a section of our society whose discourse is not illogical, it just draws on a logic and a theory of evidence that is 45 degrees or so off from that of us benighted people trapped in the fourth-dimensional reality-based continuum. Or maybe we could just say that faith is much older than that newfangled theory of Empiricism.

I am sure that lisa could explain this better than me.

"...the president should speak in favor of the country when abroad."

But apparently Republicans are allowed to talk shit about a their president while on foreign soil.

sigh.

How does saying that the US isn't a Christian nation constitute "denigrating" it? How is "not Christian" some kind of insult?

I've become convinced that the Birther meme is a long-term game. Nothing that happens now or in the near future matters, as long as the issue remains in the news on a regular basis. What matters is 2012, when Obama's electoral filings are going to be challenged everywhere. While those challenges have very little chance of succeeding individually, the complete derailing of political discourse -- and the potential for a bad judicial or commission decision is small but real -- will almost certainly be destabilizing.

If you like that, you'll LOVE this.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8604716&mesg_id=8604716

This is BIG

Now we need to get all the early adopters in on this fledgling movement.

Attack on Obama riles Beck's advertisers
San Fran Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/23/entertainment/e102453D19.DTL

Obama has NOT denigrated the U. S. This is a willful lie. The worst thing he has done is admit that the U. S. falls short of perfection. The rest of the world has found this refreshing, and world opinion of our president has skyrocketed.

JD - Oh, believe me, I know. It's a total lie. But my point is that their complaints would make no sense even if it were true.

Why don't we just start calling these people what they are: unpatriotic and undemocratic elitists. Consistent with their belief that Republicans are the only people entitled to lead the country, they are simply trying to portray as illegitimate the legally, democratically elected president. It's no more complicated than that.

Unpatriotic, Undemocratic, Elitist.

You should look into Franks' record more carefully, if you want some real fun.

I can't think of a single person in Congress who admired Bush more & in his own quiet way he's as batshit crazy as Bachmann.

Arizona has a lot of gun nuts & a lot of people who FEAR THE ILLEGALS. All Franks has to do is pander to them and he's a lock every two years. But he's also, literally, dumb as a box of hammers. (I'd give the edge to the hammers.)

He really does deserve more press outside his home state.

Don't you just love it when Republicans insist on making fools of themselves over time, months and months and months of time? These last four months have brought out the crazy right wing nutjobs- the teabaggers, the birthers, and the mob protesters carrying hate signs and packing heat.

One can only hope that it is the same group of right wingnuts, recycled again and again by far right political PR firms, Repubican politicians, and the Faux News media empire. They are the same flag-waving, Christian family values folks we saw at McCain/Palin campaign rallies shouting threats of heat like "Kill him!" "Terrorist!" and "Lynch him!" Staying classy.

If Rep. Trent Franks wants to set himself up as legislative leader of the wacko birther fringe, let him have at it. Showing that he has nothing better to do during these difficult economic times will look great on his resume. Siding with the hate-spewing, ignorant fringe and subjecting himself to vast ridicule in the end will be well deserved.

Franks might save himself the trouble and embarrassment by looking at the birth certificate and newspaper birth announcements provided by the Obama campaign more than a year ago. Or, Franks may simply take time to talk with AZ Senator John McCain. Surely, if there was one iota of suspicion that the birth certificate was not authentic, the McCain/Palin campaign would have exploited it to no end. They did their best to define Barack Obama as unAmerican, unpatriotic, and unacceptable to us "real" Americans. They failed and were defeated. The conservative Republican base has been mortally wounded, but like zombies, they just don't know enough to lie down dead.

If Republicans want to continue making asses of themselves, investing more and more time in this insanity, why discourage it?

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