For many of these people, I think the only way to reach them is to cut them off from all medical care.

You're violently ill? You have salmonella? You have cancer?

I'm sorry but, as you have pointed out repeatedly, loudly, and quite publicly, healthcare is a privilege and not a right. And YOU have not earned that privilege.

Better luck next time!

not watchin' a teevee, i missed the circus, mostly.

i think that the impression and the influence could, unfortunately, break 50-50 on this right wing event. for every person disgusted, one is thinking how cool it is to be able to express hate in downtown dc...

i also wonder about the media's drum-beating, not just fox, who is like a co-sponsor, but the others...

in late sep 2001 i was at an anti-war rally -- dont bomb the people of afghanistan rally -- of about 45-55,000. i have a feel for what this initial rally looked like, probably, as a spectacle.

the question is will it grow, will there be more of these, and will they get larger. and what will the media do to keep it growing. the media corporations have a vested interest in promoting this shit -- just as they did in keeping the anti-war protests a minor blip.

I have to wonder, if any of these people think about how well their private insurers are treating them? Don't they know about people like the man refused payment for cancer treatment because he didn't report having acne once, etc? Are they so ideologically blinded, what?

I don't trust anyone who fixates criticism at one institution (like government) and not others, like corporations. And BTW liberal have long criticized both.

BTW many of the dick Armey were griping about the bailout like of GM. Today in Parade magazine, Ford CEO Alan Mulally said he was glad the government bailed GM and Chrysler because if not, the suppliers would have gone down too and hurt everyone.

"Simple answers are for simple minds."

I guess you are supposed to carry your babies to term without prenatal care and deliver them unassisted if you can't afford health care.

Obama's conciliatory, wonkish and "diffident" air may be emboldening his enemies, see
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27057.html
Maybe that didn't take the health care address into account.

The thing that amazed me was the clip from the rally played a couple of times on NBC . A small businessman complaining that he can't afford health insurance for his employees and that they need to fix health care now - not make it worse. ??????
I guess he was watching dancing with the stars.

None so blind as them that choose not see.

Of course the American Life League isn't about life. It's a conservative construct meant to pull the strings of the gullible just like all the other conservative constructs. Life goood. Government baad. Military goood. Taxes baad. Religion goood. Science baad. Capitalism goood. Socialism baaaaad. Us goood. Them baad. and so on and so forth.

I'm sure the professional messengers on the right recognize the importance of keeping it simple for their followers. Real simple.

How many of the paraders were wearing KKK costumes?

As a former opposition researcher who spent years studying the right-wing I remember pretty clearly that ALL is the wingiest of the right-wing anti-abortion groups-- they don't believe in ANY birth control whatsoever or education about sex or birth control. They pretty much wish we still lived in the dark ages, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bring back chastity belts. They're the batshittiest.

I heard that "fix health care now, not make it worse" - and we need to press people who say that, what "fixes" do you have in mind? Many will spout platitudes that tort reform is the big answer (not much help actually, but there should be some), or agree with rules on private insurance. But if private insurers are simply forced to accept regardless of health conditions, wouldn't they raise rates even more? There has to be competition from a public option - and we need to press Dems to keep in in, despite this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090913/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care

john,

"The thing that amazed me was the clip from the rally played a couple of times on NBC . A small businessman complaining that he can't afford health insurance for his employees and that they need to fix health care now - not make it worse."

I saw that.

My reaction was: Dude ! You made a right instead of a left and ended up at the wrong rally.

oh my writes: "Life goood. Government baad. Military goood. Taxes baad. Religion goood. Science baad. Capitalism goood. Socialism baaaaad. Us goood. Them baad. "

Yes, and the letter ALWAYS ends with "SEND $$$"

Because, like the First Rule of politics (get re-elected) the First Rule of ANY group- WWF, Sierra Club,America First, Young Republican Assholes, is RAISE MONEY. . .

I see the left's reaction to that big march is the standard one: insults and accusations that everybody is ignorant or racist or both. That shit doesn't work anymore. Try something else.

Neil B Asked:

I heard that "fix health care now, not make it worse" - and we need to press people who say that, what "fixes" do you have in mind?

Haven't you been paying attention? Tax cuts and deregulation. Duh.

Appalling sign content aside for the moment, Michelle Malkin has also been infringing on Obama campaign imagery for months, and this looks to be more of the same. Isn't that sort of graphic design copyrighted, and can't these people be prosecuted for blatantly lifting the design, font, style, etc. of the Obama imagery? Especially Malkin, who clearly steals the Obama signs and makes all kinds of bootleg images out of them.

Yes Andy, I know they will say that - and I want them to, to get them on the record so we can swat at them better.

BTW, I'm willing to bet on the iron grip of contradiction and hypocrisy on current teabaggers: they said they protest bigger debts and deficits (often not knowing the difference), but:
1. Didn't complain during Bush 43's years.
2. Did anyone see or hear excoriating or repudiating Dick Cheney, who said ""Reagan proved deficits don't matter,"?

"Classy bunch."

Signs like that could easily be plants by lefties. (Righties would do the same thing). I'd be surprised if there wasn't a lot of that kind of subterfuge going on. It's how intelligence agencies handle things.

When I get pointed to outrage du jour so consistently, I get suspicious.

Flubber, American Life League, which sponsored the "Bury Obamacare with Kennedy" poster, is about as far from a leftist group as one can get. The ALL is a far-right Catholic organization.

Rightwing Batshit Nutters on parade got caught in a nice big lie about the numbers. One outfit even tried to pass off a picture of a Promise Keepers march in 1997 to try to exaggerate their size.

The fact is that 60-70k people is a pretty pathetic showing for a march on Washington. Especially after Glenn Beck and FoxNews have been hyping this as the end-all-be-all for months. Hell, real grassroots rallies on the mall have garnered 100,000 or more without the benefit of having their own well-financed propaganda network.

Banjo@12:33: I see the left's reaction to that big march is the standard one: insults and accusations that everybody is ignorant or racist or both. That shit doesn't work anymore. Try something else.

LOL. Okay, I'm going to respond to you even though my instinct tells me you're a troll (would some inbred moron really choose the name 'Banjo' for himself?).

The reason it "doesn't work anymore" is because there really is nothing left except ignoramuses and racists. I know from over 3 decades of living in the South, that the hopelessly stupid are also too stupid to know their ignorant (see Dunning-Kruger Effect).

Indeed, most do not know the proper meaning of the word ignorant and get insulted when what you're merely saying is that there are certain truths they'd rather no know and so "ignore" by their own choosing. My Christian Dad was big on avoiding ('ignoring') literature that was "poisonous" to the soul. He was certainly ignorant about evolution and about sex... but he should not be offended at my pointing that out. But, he always got his knickers in a twist over being called ignorant.

Racism is the same. Nobody admits to being racists (except the most extreme whack jobs)... only that they are "proud of their white heritage". So, if we listen to them, racism doesn't exist and never existed.

So, no... it doesn't work anymore because they're nearly all ignorant racists.

It amazes me how how you hate conservative thinking people. You talk about being open minded and enlightened but your minds are closed tighter than any coservative. You are very willing to point our the flaws in the opposition but are willing to accept Obana Facisim without question.

Greg: There is no "Obana Facisism" [sic]. None. You have all the rights you've ever had. In fact, you have more, as the Secret Service sure as hell never let people bring guns to Bush events, and if health care reform passes in any significant way you'll also have the right to health care and the right NOT to be dropped by your insurer or have premiums and deductibles jacked so high you could never afford them.t

It's a little more than a "flaw" when conservatives have spent the last eight years calling progressives "treasonous" and "traitors" who should be "shot" because we rightly pointed out the tragic debacles of the Bush administration that destroyed the economy, hurt the military, and divested us of 4th Amendment rights -- and now poor conservatives complain when we criticize them for making the absolutely outrageous comparison of Obama to Hitler, as you do with your remark about Fascism.

Hitler was a murderous, bigoted, bloody, warlike monster who tortured and killed minorities; Obama is a good man who has spent his life involved in community efforts and who is now trying to revive the economy that Bush destroyed and get more affordable health care for you. There is NOTHING similar about the two, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

If you have a specific complaint that you're able to articulate, let's discuss it. I don't expect that you will, as you know that you don't have any facts on your side, just a dislike of black presidents.