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September 21, 2009

BOEHNER (SORT OF) REJECTS 'SOCIALIST' TALK.... House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) appeared on "Meet the Press" yesterday, and argued that Americans are "scared to death" of the Democrats' domestic agenda. He noted, in particular, "the Treasury Department said" a cap-and-trade system "will cost the average family $1,700 per year." Boehner was, of course, blatantly lying.

Following up, host David Gregory asked whether Americans are "scared" in part because of over-the-top nonsense from the likes of RNC Chairman Michael Steele. "[D]on't they get even more scared when you got the head of the Republican Party sending out an e-mail that, you know, to challenge the president and Democratic leaders for a 'socialist power grab?'" Gregory asked. "I mean, is that appropriate conversation? Is this, did you really think the president's a socialist?"

Boehner initially hedged, saying, "Listen, when you begin to look at how much they want to grow government, you can call it whatever you want." Gregory pressed further, asking, "Do you think the president's a socialist?" The Minority Leader said, "No," as if the question itself was foolish.

Gregory added, "OK, but the head of the Republican Party is, is calling him that." Boehner replied, "Well, listen, I didn't call him that and I'm not going to call him that."

What a delightful breakthrough for our civil discourse. A member of the congressional leadership is willing, on national television, to reject the idea that the president of the United States is a "socialist." The bar for reasonable GOP rhetoric has fallen so low, this seems like a real leap forward.

If only Boehner meant it. Amanda Terkel reminds us that earlier this year, Boehner stood before a large right-wing audience and argued, "[T]he stimulus, the omnibus, the budget -- it's all one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment.... All of these bills seek to replace our economic freedom with the whims and mandates of politicians and bureaucrats."

Steve Benen 8:35 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (13)
 
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Obama isn't a socialist, but there is come cause for worry. This morning I read that Obama is not ruling out a bailout for the newspaper business. For a lot of solid good technical and economic reasons the newspaper business is in decline. News isn't going away soon. If the paper business dies it will be replaced. There is no good reason to bail out the newspaper business, yet the President is willing to consider a bailout. Whenever a dying business is bailed out the emergent replacement is stifled. It is entirely possible that this willingness to bail out every industry is going to do long term damage to our economy.

Maybe if we spent a little time wondering what a lot of Americans are worried about we might be able to get beyond the socialist/communist name calling.

Posted by: Ron Byers on September 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM | PERMALINK

Wow. It's really good to see Boehner get all real like that.

I'm an American. And I'm not "scared to death" of the Democratic agenda. I guess he means "Americans are scared to death" the same way Osama Bin Laden would say "Americans are the Great Satan" or the French would say "Americans are assholes."

I think he means "a few certifiably insane Americans are scared to death."

Meanwhile, it's a real shame the word "socialism" has been co-opted by the Right like so many other perfectly decent words just to make sure we "Americans" can never really have a legitimate conversation about real socialism and real capitalism and what mix of the two might be the best thing for the US.

Posted by: chrenson on September 21, 2009 at 8:50 AM | PERMALINK

One could argue (and I am) that No Child Left Behind, the Prescription Drug Bill, and the Bush Bank Bailout are "socialist."

Pot to Kettle. . .

Posted by: DAY on September 21, 2009 at 9:05 AM | PERMALINK

Regretably, since the 'excuse' of 9/11, the Rethugnican motto has become "We have nothing to fear but the loss of fear itself!"

What does the rethug party have left in its arsenal besides fear and hate? It sure is not policies!

Posted by: SadOldVet on September 21, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

I likes me some "hard Hittin' " journalists. Oh! the no holds barred followup questions. You go David!

/snark

Posted by: John R on September 21, 2009 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

Sounds to me like if Gregory had been on the ball, he could have quoted Boehner's statement that Terkel caught (Smart producers would have bloggers working for them) and then asked "So, you're now saying that you reject your earlier statement?"

Posted by: Rich2506 on September 21, 2009 at 9:10 AM | PERMALINK

I think it's worth pointing out that the right wing in this country defines "socialism" to be "anything other than anarchy".

That's not what socialism actually is, of course, but to hear them "explain" it, socialism means anything that a government does on behalf of its citizens. Well, except stuff they agree with, because "that's different". Somehow.

Posted by: DH Walker on September 21, 2009 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK

Ah yes, David balanced the President's interview with my two favorite Republicans, Corn Cob and Huckleberry. What was most striking, I thought, was how genuine, sincere, pleasant and intelligent Obama came off compared to the Repub duo. They looked conniving and defensive just sitting there. And when they opened their mouths it was very apparent how desperate they were to shove predetermined talking points into the conversation.

Posted by: about time on September 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM | PERMALINK

Actually the great trick is, we are all scrambling around saying it is a horrible insult to call someone a "socialist." This word has a million meanings, from revolutionary Marxism to European social democracy. By using it as a pejorative the Right gets to attack all of that all at once.

One of the problems of the Left in this country is that it is constantly on the defensive, eager to retreat from its own principles and even the words that it uses to identify itself. The right has made "liberal" a dirty word, now "socialist." In our great retreat we have adopted the label "progressive." They'll attack that next and we'll come up with something else in our constant effort to kowtow to to their abuses. Maybe we should just call ourselves "cowards" and be done with the whole game. Grow a fucking spine people.

Posted by: kidcharles on September 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM | PERMALINK

One of the problems of the Left in this country is that it is constantly on the defensive, eager to retreat from its own principles and even the words that it uses to identify itself.

That certainly used to be true, and there are probably still lingering effects of this, but I don't think this is true these days. I'd argue that the beginning of the modern era of our standing up to the bullies started when Dean became head of the DNC and we started winning elections again.

Posted by: DH Walker on September 21, 2009 at 10:18 AM | PERMALINK

I'm issuing a challenge here. We can all speak to ourselves and make ourselves feel good, which is fine. We need to start attacking, as our leaders apparently lack this skill. The Internet has become the source for misinformation. What I do is everyday read a local paper filled with misinformation because it caters to the local crowd who are mostly wingnuts. There are many wingnut blogs that do the same, like Malkin and those at Foxnews. Here's my local paper in the Shenandoah Valley, which is part of the Bible belt and leans right. http://dnronline.com/index.php Read the editorials and letters section showing the stunnung stupidy here. I am "flyonthewall" and there's others on the right who fight back. It's tough and you need thick skin, but ya know what, it's all virtual conversation and sticks and stones may break my bones and that will never happen. One thing I try not to do is link Steve's take, because they simply dismiss it because it's a left wing blog. Typical discourse of the misinformed and unedcated. Link to other sources and try not to show biased and point out the facts. Now get out there and fight back.

Posted by: Dave on September 21, 2009 at 10:23 AM | PERMALINK

I think it worth repeating. Obama didn't come into office on a platform of nationalizing the auto companies. The free market private enterprise auto companies failed. Banking crisis? The free market private enterprise banks looted the system, and then failed.

Obama doesn't want to socialize the economy. He is cleaning up after the failure of free market private enterprise.

Posted by: OwnedByTwoCats on September 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM | PERMALINK

To DH Walker:

I hope you are right. I agree Dean was an expression of the unashamed faction within the party, I certainly was excited by his candidacy. Of course he was torn down because of what he represented. Change is often slow.

Posted by: kidcharles on September 21, 2009 at 2:13 PM | PERMALINK
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