democrats..should quote dick cheney

and tell republicans...

to go f*ck themselves..

Good for Grayson. Finally, a Democrat who talks back. We could use many, many more!

What's wrong with sick people dying quickly? I thought you libs were all about Darwinism.

Myke K (aka troll),
No, you are confusing liberals with libertarians.

But I guess since you said "libs", perhaps you are just confused about what website you are reading.

I hope this gets a lot of air time in the MSM. Grayson was simply telling the truth, and it's time more people know it.

And as Steve noted, it's another excellent example of Republican hypocrisy.

I hope he makes another speech tonight.

Repigs, repigs, repigs. You silly ol' bastards. Outraged, outraged I tell you, that someone should use the word 'death' or 'die' in talking about serious political and health matters before this grand and honorable body. The shame, the disgrace, the hyperbole, the character accusations! Just so far out of bounds. Anyone who's ever uttered words similar to this should be thrown out of politics forever. Wouldn't you agree?

Maybe, if the Republicans actually HAD a healthcare plan, they could point to the line where it proves Grayson wrong.

Since they don't (Boehner? Boehner?), they should shut up.

Besides, my inner 5-year-old says "They started it!"

grayson's a man after my own heart. unfortunately, when the coup comes, he'll be considered part of the "Obama Problem."

Good for Mr. Grayson. The Republicans can dish it out, but when they're the target of the same tactics and rhetoric, they squeal like a disingenuous debutante at the junior prom, publicly offended by the football captain who tried to cop a feel after she was blowing in his ear all evening.

No more apologies. It's time to fight fire with fire, and take no prisoners.

So, the poor old whiny Republicans who have brought us the "government wants to kill your grandmother" or "Obamacare will use death panels" or the "health care reform will lead to rationing where people will die waiting for care" or whatever!

Grayson, from my vantage point hit a nail right on its head! Just look at one of Boehner's own constituents who died recently because of status quo health care - you know, the current system the Republicans are all too willing to stay with! Speaks volumes to the bankrupt intellects of our Republican brethren here in good ol'America! -Kevo

Michael W said:
I hope this gets a lot of air time in the MSM. Grayson was simply telling the truth, and it's time more people know it.

Don't worry, Grayson's speech will get tons of coverage from the corporate-controlled media.

He'll get universal condemnation for his "unprecedented" incivility and bipartisanship. Obama will get nothing but questions about why he hasn't yet condemned Garyson's "hateful" speech. David Broder will call for Grayson to resign before his words "poison the collegial atmosphere of Congress."

In the end, the Democratic "leadership" will throw Grayson under the bus and demand that he apologize.

The media sh*tstorm will begin in 3 . . . 2 . . .

I'm usually pro-civility, but in this political climate, it's nice to see a fire-breather from my side counter the garbage coming from the other side.

"No Republican wants Americans to die...

I'll say the same thing here that I said at ThinkProgress: "I know you have to say that to be nice, but it’s just not true. It’s just that they don’t want to be responsible for the deaths of liberals, gays, feminists, doctors and the President when they come."

The "controversy" over Grayson is hypocritical concern trolling.

Hooray for Grayson!

They can whine all they want. Grayson is one of the few Dems who has a spine and isn't intimidated by them.

By now everyone should recognize the armor that the right wing brings into every battle: their spear is the dishonest fear-mongering attack; their shield the whiney complaint they are being unfairly maligned by intolerant liberals who cannot abide anyone who disagrees with them. This is how the right wing marches into battle in order to create a country in which the only ideas that survive are those of the right wing.

Saw this discussed on "Morning Blow" and was sickened by the host's (Mika)and panel's response. They treated it as if it was a moral equivialancy issue to Grassly's, "The Democrats want to kill Grandma." When in fact Grassly was lying. Whereas Grayson is telling the truth. It's ugly, yes. But the Repbublican protection of the status quo is absolutely an acceptance of the desire for the uninsured to die and do it quickly so they cost less and the health industry can profit.

This is another reason why we need a military coup - to stop Democrats from being so mean and lowering the level of political discourse.

The way they just make stuff up! Who ever heard of such a thing?

Prediction: the Democrats will cave, condemn Grayson's remarks, and the issue of similar Republican rhetoric won't even come up.

After watching Grayson's demagogic tour de force at recent House Financial Services Committee hearings on auditing the Fed, I'm not surprised at this. We're going to have to get used to this kind of thing from him.

But wait a minute. This was a one-minute, right? And didn't we just read that these things are typically co-ordinated w/ party managers? So was this one junior Representative's idea, or does it portend a more aggressive strategy from the House Democratic leadership?

What, make Republicans howl like children while accurately highlighting their complete contempt for reform? Oh NO! How demagogic.

"No Republican wants Americans to die..."

I disagree; a sick American is worthless to the wealthy class. They'd just as soon as toss them out with yesterday's paper. They think of everything in business terms. Sick people aren't people, they're liabilities.

The entire 'death panel' nonsense is just Republicans doing what they always do: accusing the opposition of their own tactics.

We're going to have to get used to this kind of thing from him.

You seem to imply that there's something wrong with what he said and how he said it. I don't think there is, and I'm happy to see him continue.

Republicans favor the status quo based on the severe delusion that we have the best health care system in the world. Thousands die every month due to lack of insurance or denied coverage.
The Republican "plan" means a continuation of this disgusting scenario. Grayson is 100% correct, and anyone who doesn't like it can just have some cheese with their whine.

You can operate by this simple rule - whenever the Democrats push back hard or find an effective line of attack, the GOP will seek to delegitimize either the speaker or their message.

It is transparent bullying, and it is completely one sided, and the media lets them get away with it. And it is a great strategy. If the Democrats cave, they look weak. If they persist, the right-wing outrage machine will drown out all reasonable discourse for days and weeks ... until another target comes along.

Contrast the howls of outrage over this with the whole "Obama death panels" episode, and you'll see the difference in treatment. Unlike the death panel claims, or the claim that the VA is encouraging euthenasia, or any of that BS, Grayson's claim is being treated as beyond the pale - even though it actually reflects the "awww ... go find some charity or a government program ... or too bad" rhetoric by such luminaries as Eric Cantor.

-Bokonon

I wish Grayson had better writers--he didn't frame his bit as well as he could have. Given that it was going to become an instant soundbite/youtube hit he should have built in to the entire presentation the "lessons he had learned" from his GOP friends about "death panels" and "die quickly" instead of just asserting it all as fact. That way every time the right wing played a clip of Grayson to amp up the outrage theywould have had to also be playing clips of their own disingenous lies.

aimai

How do I donate to his campaign?

Awesome.

Let the village scream, shout and riot. They won't make the slightest difference come election time. If anything, being attacked by Washington will help his re-election prospects.

As for the politics, isn't it a little late in the game for congressional Republican to feign outrage about death-related rhetoric?

Well effing duh.

Just another example of how GOPers continue to play the game more expertly than Dems.

Steve, instead of once again wringing your hands pointing out GOP hypocrisy in your never-ending quest to point out the never-ending obvious, your time would be better spent pressuring Dems to act like they have a spine and attack GOPers like Grayson has done.

Once again, no one should be surprised, Matt Stoller is on his staff.

I'm awaiting the inevitable call from other Dem leaders for Grayson to apologize, and I hope like Hell he doesn't.

Allow me to suggest to Grayson how to respond to those asking for an apology:

"Fuck you."

He was being charitable. He should have added, 'you know, the Republicans want you die because they want their buddies in the insurance industry to not have to pay a dime for your treatment', just to drive home the basic and obvious point.

I've never wanted to go as far as Grayson, but I have to admit there is a part of me that believes at some level the Radical Right is opposed to health care reform because they think denial of medical care is a form of crowd control for undocumented aliens and other people they consider undesirable. At some level, listening to the rhetoric at the town hall forums, I believe the Right thinks that the ability to buy over-priced health insurance should be an entrance requirement for citizenship and anyone who can't afford it shouldn't be here.

As I am sure others have pointed out, its pretty hypocritical (so what else is new) for the Right to be up in arms over Grayson's remarks when the Right has been characterizing "Obamacare" as the Final Solution for various constituencies from the very outset of the health care debate. Who was it that first introduced the word "Death" into the debate, for christs sake.

Grayson wasn't quite accurate in his statement. Republicans don't necessarily want you to die quickly. They are perfectly fine with you dying slowly over a period of months or years, in horrible pain, disabled, unable to work, facing bankruptcy and foreclosure, watching denial of treatment notices come into your mailbox every other week. Meanwhile their stock in Cigna goes up a quarter of a point and they get more campaign money from pharmaceutical companies.

Come to think of it, a lot of Dems fit that description, too.

"That is about the most mean-spirited partisan statement that I've ever heard made on this floor, and I, for one, don't appreciate it," Tennessee Republican Rep. Jimmy Duncan told the Politico.

Oh boo hoo. The horror! What is Duncan, like seven years old? Somebody get him a snotrag and shove him in a corner for some "time out" until he stops crying.

I've never wanted to go as far as Grayson

Why the hell not? I'm been screaming for months that the Dems need to hang the 45k who die every yr due to lack of coverage around the necks of the GOP, but the genteel gonadless Dems (hi Benen!) balked, and got hung with Death Panels instead. Grayson's comment is on target, but it's months too late. The Dems should have come out punching instead of waiting til they're lying on the mat, gasping about hypocrisy.

"Allow me to suggest to Grayson how to respond to those asking for an apology:

'Fuck you.'"

Posted by: bucky

I just heard him on the floor of the House. He did appologize...

... to the 47K who die each year for lack of health insurance.

Not quite what Bucky suggested, but good enough.

Maybe a group of concerned citizens needs to create a not-for-profit corp to create their very own Public Option. They can do what the gov't isn't being allowed to do and there's probably nothing Republicans could do to prevent it. Then they would just need to get into (or it it 'onto') the Exchange when this reform legislation becomes law.

Rep. Grayson is quickly becoming a hero to Progressives and Liberals.

I just informed Grayson's Florida office (one of them) that I supported him and would be donating to his campaign despite loving in Missouri.

Umm...living in Missouri. I may be drunk.

But I also do most of my loving in Missouri. Crossing state lines while drunk is problematic.

Grayson should apologize. C'mon, just because WATAFBC (Walking and Talking Advertisements for Birth Control) like Brown-Waite, Broun, and Foxx are scumbags (and unapologetic about their scumbaggery) doesn't mean that Grayson should behave in the same manner.

It WOULD be interesting and amusing though to see if Brown-Waite and/or Broun and/or Foxx themselves publicly criticize Grayson for these comments....considering that the only kind of criticism they could give without coming off as complete hypocrites would have to be some sort of variation of "But it's the DEMOCRATS who want grandma and granpa to die!"

Personally, I think it's an insult to Neanderthals. Grayson should be ashamed of comparing our extinct non-sapien brethren to corrupt corporatists.

I would like to say Republicans don't want to take responsibility for the long-term consequences of their position to deny coverage to the uninsured. Grayson is absolutely right - truth hurts, doesn't it?

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