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October 7, 2009

REMEMBER THE ALAMO?.... I can appreciate the fact that historical parallels can make for powerful political rhetoric. But the right really should look beyond the Alamo, or at a minimum, realize why it's foolish.

Earlier this week, after nearly breaking down in tears (again), Glenn Beck told his television audience that they're not alone: "It's you and me and the Fox News Channel -- the Alamo for truth."

If this sounds familiar, it's because Roger Ailes, Fox News' chief executive, told Glenn Beck in January that he wanted to bolster the Republican network's opposition to the Democratic administration. "I see this as the Alamo," Ailes said, according to Beck. "If I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we'd be fine."

Um, guys? As I recall, the Alamo didn't turn out too well. Most of the Americans who fought in the battle were killed.

If Fox News is "the Alamo for truth," doesn't that mean it's the place where the truth gets killed?

Steve Benen 10:55 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (41)
 
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'Most' of the Americans were killed? How about *all*. There may have been a couple who made it out alive, but essentially everyone died. Hopefully, Fox will meet the same fate.

Posted by: estamm on October 7, 2009 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Glenn Beck has a "Romeo & Juliet" romance with the truth. His love for the truth is as majestic as the Titanic! He will defend the truth from all attackers, like the mighty Trojans.

Posted by: Grumpy on October 7, 2009 at 11:01 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but "Alamo" has great brand-recognition in Texas. Besides, it's all about white guys fighting to the death against brown-skinned foreigners.

Posted by: T-Rex on October 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM | PERMALINK

"Roger Ailes, Fox News' chief executive, told Glenn Beck in January that he wanted to bolster the Republican network's opposition to the Democratic administration."

As the chief executive of a news outlet you would think his objective would be to report the news. At what point does Fox News have to officially identify themselves as an arm of a political party, not a news organization?

Posted by: SaintZak on October 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

I don't think I'd mind if, in the future, the only time I heard about Fox would be in the cautionary phrase: "Remember Fox!"

Posted by: exlibra on October 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM | PERMALINK

Not to be picky, but it wasn't Americans killed at the Alamo, it was Texans! (Ok I suppose to be really picky you should say it was Mexicans fighting to become Texans.)

Posted by: Steve on October 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Fauxnews - the Hindenburg of hot air.

Posted by: Foobar on October 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Beck got it wrong. It's not the Alamo of Truth.
Hell, killing the Truth would be better than what Fox does to it.

No, Fox is the Abu Ghraib of Truth.

Posted by: Gridlock on October 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM | PERMALINK

Yeah, but "Alamo" has great brand-recognition in Texas. Besides, it's all about white guys fighting to the death against brown-skinned foreigners.

Don't tell them, but there were some brown-skinned Texans fighting to the death too. The truth might make their heads explode.

Posted by: TonyB on October 7, 2009 at 11:08 AM | PERMALINK

Be careful with that metaphor! You might poke someone's eye out!

Posted by: Paul Dirks on October 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM | PERMALINK

To belabor a metaphor from idiots, perhaps Ailes etc. are hoping that, when Beck's head finally explodes on screen, Republicans will rally around Fox for the glorious extension of slavery!

Posted by: Ron Mexico on October 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

It's like sitting at a bar listening to a drunk at closing time.

Posted by: MissMudd on October 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM | PERMALINK

Isn't the whole Alamo legend a crock of steaming crapola anyway? Maybe it is the right metaphor!

Posted by: bdbd on October 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

The folks killed in the Alamo were Texian rebels devoted to defending the right to have slaves among other things, not Americans!

Posted by: bdbd on October 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK

This is old old old. The Right has always seen themselves as persecuted by we terrible lib'ruls (I get this all the time in a hobby I engage in that seems to attract more than its share of these idiots, when I smack them down in public, that I am some horrid "political liberal" person going after folks who just want to talk about things the way they oughta be.)

The Right's persecution complex has been one of their primary organizing tools - they're the only ones who know The One True Truth and are put down for it. When you consider some fatboy who's spent his life running home from school, who's never going to be promoted from the far rear corner of "prairie dog town" at work, then being told that his failure isn't the result of his own lack of talent, ability and knowledge, but rather due to the liberals who were the ones chasing him home to begin with, that's a pretty powerful argument for life's little losers - which is what these people mostly all are.

Posted by: TCinLA on October 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK

Not to be picky, but it wasn't Americans killed at the Alamo, it was Texans! (Ok I suppose to be really picky you should say it was Mexicans fighting to become Texans.)

Actually it was a bunch of back-alley assassins (Bowie), failed drunks (Crockett), cashiered military failures (Austin), slave catchers, bank robbers, cattle rustlers, and thieves who had been run out of the United States two steps ahead of Justice - you know, the usual kind of scum who have run the place ever since.

TCinLA
Native-born Texan damn glad not to be there

Posted by: TCinLA on October 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Hey Glenn, I hear the basement in the Alamo is super-awesome. You should check it out.

Posted by: NHCt on October 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM | PERMALINK

Those were not Americans who died at the Alamo. They were Texans who had specifically expatriated themselves from the United States. They were rebels and traitors who got what they deserved.

Posted by: Yankee Liberal on October 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Ham sandwich made out of baloney

He makes the lamest professional wrestler sound sincere..

Posted by: koreyel on October 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK

Now I've watched the Beck video. Never mind the Alamo nonsense, that's creepy manipulative stuff, and it sounds like Beck might even believe it himself.

Posted by: bdbd on October 7, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK

"(Ok I suppose to be really picky you should say it was Mexicans fighting to become Texans.)'

Yep, they made treason into a habit, didnt they

Posted by: jefft452 on October 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM | PERMALINK

Hmm, according to some random dude who called NPR yesterday, the Alamo was home to one of America's first government hospitals available to the public. In other words, socialized medicine.

Posted by: Boronx on October 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

"It's you and me and the Fox News Channel -- the Fuhrerbunker for truth."

There, fixed.

Posted by: 2Manchu on October 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

As long as the Alamo is not followed by San Jacincto!

Posted by: Tom S. on October 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM | PERMALINK

I am going to stay in Berlin and defeat the Russians! Where is Steiner? Why hasn't he started his offensive yet?

Posted by: Glenn Beck on October 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM | PERMALINK

You folks are missing out on the "truthiness" of the Alamo story. Whites fighting the enemy for a noble cause, and to the death! No surrender!

The reality of the situation was that the whites (and we have some interesting descriptions above) had driven Mexican off their land. And it doesn't matter a bit. Heroic symbolism is paramount, these guys were on our side, damn it! Don't confuse me with any of your egghead facts! Facts have a well known liberal bias, and we hate the liberals.

So maybe this is the perfect parallel for Fox "News." Propaganda triumphs, the enemies (anyone but those put-upon Fox believers) are smeared. And we hand over our fate to Rupert and his fellow Corporate Cronies because they know how to march in with heros like Glenn & Sean & Billo. All of them wrapped in the flag and holding up crosses. Hmmm, wrapped in the flag holding a cross, didn't Upton Sinclair say something about that?

Posted by: BuzzMon on October 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM | PERMALINK

They were rebels and traitors who got what they deserved. -Yankee Liberal

Yes, but holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the senate.

Posted by: doubtful on October 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

I am going to stay in Berlin and defeat the Russians! Where is Steiner? Why hasn't he started his offensive yet?

LOL. Meanwhile, Megyn Kelly stops dancing and drinking for a moment to explain that she'll be taking a cyanide capsule because she doesn't want to be disfigured by a bullet, Beck poisons his blameless dog and Bill O'Reilly directs his wife to off their children so they won't have to live in a world without free-market love.

Posted by: shortstop on October 7, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK

C'mon this is just a poorly thought out post. It's obvious he's talking about Fox News going down but the conservative movement destroying Obama with the death of Fox as an inspiration.

Posted by: MNPundit on October 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM | PERMALINK

Maybe it's the place where Glenn Beck finally chokes to death on his own foul rhetoric.

Posted by: cmac on October 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM | PERMALINK

Whites fighting the enemy for a noble cause, and to the death! No surrender!

Exactly. The Alamo serves the same mythological purposes as did the Beer Hall Putsch. It's all about the supposed noble martyrdom, blah blah blah.

Posted by: DH Walker on October 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM | PERMALINK

As a Texan once said to me: if the Alamo had had a back door, we'd all be speaking Spanish today.

Posted by: CJColucci on October 7, 2009 at 12:32 PM | PERMALINK

"Glenn Beck IS Sparta"!

Posted by: ckelly on October 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM | PERMALINK

The real lesson of the Alamo is: Don't get distracted by things that divert you from your real goal. Santa Ana stopped to annihilate the Alamo defenders, which he didn't really need to go, but that delay gave the Texian rebels east of San Antonio time to retreat, regroup and counterattack at San Jacinto, near Houston. If Santa Ana had bypassed the Alamo and had not lost all those troopers storming the ramparts, but instead had headed straight for Sam Houston's army, there would have been no Republic of Texas. (But we still probably would have stolen Texas and the Southwest territories in the Mexican American War, which would have occurred under some other pretext.)

In the same way, we shouldn't waste our time with Fox "News." I think Obama has it right: Just ignore them. Democrats should not do anything to legitimize their partisan activity.

Posted by: Jim on October 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

"Hmmm, wrapped in the flag holding a cross, didn't Upton Sinclair say something about that?"

BZZZTT! No, Sorry that was Sinclair Lewis, but thanks for playing...

Heck if I can be that inaccurate, maybe I can make millions from wingnut welfare like Beckerhead....

Posted by: BuzzMon on October 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM | PERMALINK

Actually it was a bunch of back-alley assassins (Bowie), failed drunks (Crockett), cashiered military failures (Austin), slave catchers, bank robbers, cattle rustlers, and thieves

They were rebels and traitors who got what they deserved.

Whoa. Must have missed that in my Texas History class. I always considered them mercenaries, mostly from Tennessee eager to join a fight (for money of course). Kinda like Blackwater.

Posted by: ckelly on October 7, 2009 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK

Beck's Alamo quote reminds me of the scene from "stand by me":

"You going to shoot all of us?"
"No, Ace. Just... you."

Fox is doing fine and so are your listeners, Beck.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on October 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM | PERMALINK

Beck's Alamo quote reminds me of the scene from "stand by me":

"You going to shoot all of us?"
"No, Ace. Just... you."

Fox is doing fine and so are your listeners, Beck.

Posted by: toowearyforoutrage on October 7, 2009 at 1:20 PM | PERMALINK

If Fox News is "the Alamo for truth," doesn't that mean it's the place where the truth gets killed?

Truth? On Fox News? I'd bet a whole paycheck the gargoyles and troglodytes on Fox have never even heard the term.

Posted by: electrolite on October 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM | PERMALINK

To paraphrase: "I know Fess Parker, um Davy Crockett, and you sir, are no Fess Parker, um Davy Crockett." Fess Parker did NOT cry. I watched every episode.
If Beck takes to wearing a coonskin cap, I will be PO'd.

Posted by: jean on October 7, 2009 at 2:44 PM | PERMALINK

Of course, most of the fighters on Texas side were latino, as were most of of the casualties on the Texas side.

Not that anyone seems to remember that when they remember the Alamo.

Posted by: Crissa on October 7, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
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