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October 7, 2009

HOW FOX NEWS PERCEIVES ITS WORK.... Mike Allen reported yesterday that White House advisor David Axelrod and Fox News president Roger Ailes recently got together for a little chat. According to the report, the meeting occurred two weeks ago, and while it's unclear exactly what transpired, there's no reason to think the animosity between the White House and the Republican cable news network has dissipated.

Time's Michael Scherer followed up and gained some interesting insights.

"The fact that our numbers are up 30 plus in the news arena on basic cable I'd like to think is a sign that we are just putting what we believe to be the facts out on the table," said Michael Clemente, Fox's senior vice president for news, in an interview on Tuesday.

Ezra added, "Most news organizations, in my experience, do not have to qualify the word 'facts' with the words 'what we believe to be.'"

Clemente added that White House frustration with the propaganda outlet is consistent with other recent administrations.

"It reminds me a little bit about what happened to Sam Donaldson when he was covering the White House," said Clemente. "The Reagan White House thought he was enemy number one. He had the same relationship with the Carter White House. They thought he was enemy number one. He thought he was doing his job."

The comparison doesn't make sense, for exactly the reason Clemente mentioned. Reagan and his team thought Donaldson was an attack dog, but Donaldson "had the same relationship with the Carter White House."

In other words, he didn't play favorites, and went after stories with equal enthusiasm regardless of the party in power.

In contrast, Fox News and the Bush White House were two peas in a pod -- the president literally took his press secretary from the network and granted FNC all kinds of exclusives -- while Fox News has deliberately positioned itself as the Obama White House's enemy.

Steve Benen 1:30 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (22)
 
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either re-install the Fairness Doctrine or yank the broadcast license granted to them for use of the airwaves owned by the American People.

it is just a propaganda outlet and should be shut down.

somewhere that german fella is laffing his nazi ass off ....

Posted by: f*** 'em on October 7, 2009 at 1:34 PM | PERMALINK

Clemente added that White House frustration with the propaganda outlet is consistent with other recent administrations.

Excellent! That is how progressives need to refer to Fox from now on: no more calling it a "news" channel. As in "...a spokesman from propoganda outlet Fox said yesterday..." Keep repeating it until it becomes a meme.

Posted by: electrolite on October 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK

Donaldson might have been an attack dog back then, but Fox is sort of a Republican lapdog/pitbull.

I got no problems with a junkyard dog as long as they are equal opportunity junkyard dogs. Lapdog/pitbulls are just a pain in the ass.

Posted by: Ron Byers on October 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

if this society survives FOX News, it will be an interesting study for a ton of PhD dissertations and other research...

Posted by: neill on October 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM | PERMALINK

When with the rational left realize that the nut job part of the right wing (the birther Beck crowd) cannot be persuaded by things like facts.

We sit around and wonder how people can watch Fox or believe Beck, et al. We marvel at the idiocy of it all. But spend some time at the malls in the fly over states and you will realize that too many Americans have given up on thought and rationality. They picked a side years ago and have only listened to that side since. They are too far gone to be brought back and every time some intelligent, well-meaning, left leaning politician or pundit makes a Sarah Palin joke or smiles coyly (I'm looking at you AMC) when mocking the very mockable tea baggers, those people out at the mall just dig their heels in because they might not understand what a public option means but they know when someone is making fun of them.

Fox is only part of the problem, the smug superiority of all those elitists with their college degrees, and facts, and good grammar, they are part of the problem too.

Posted by: Cheebo on October 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

and rescind murdoch's american citizenship and deport him back to his native australia.

that guy is vile and evil.

Posted by: paul joseph goebbels on October 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM | PERMALINK

Pravda = "Truth"
Fox News = "Fair and Balanced"

Posted by: Speed on October 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM | PERMALINK

@Cheebo: the khmer rouge had the same problem as our "flyover" FOX peeps have with the pointy-headed... as i remember it, the KR nipped that problem in the bud...

Posted by: neill on October 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

It's unfortunate but true that one of the inalienable rights we enjoy as enshrined in the Constitution, is the right to be loudly, obnoxiously and consistently wrong. Any attempts to shut Fox up will be rightly met with stiff resistance.
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The only proper remedy is to loudly and obnoxiously and consistently right. And to be sufficiently entertaining in the process that you can compete successfully with the liars.

Posted by: Paul Dirks on October 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM | PERMALINK

Benen: It's not Fox News. It's Fox "News".

Posted by: JW on October 7, 2009 at 1:46 PM | PERMALINK

Has anyone ever considered the fact that Fox has the largest cable TV news viewing audience due to the fact that the majority of sane and intelligent people have better things to do than sit in front of a TV for 5 straight hours a night?

Just a thought.

Posted by: citizen_pain on October 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM | PERMALINK

I'm extremely skeptical of "ratings" anyway. I participated in the Arbitron ratings 2 years in a row, and when they called the third year, I declined. Why would my listening pattern change much at all? No wonder some stations get top ratings year after year if the same people are doing the rating. Who knows what manipulating, incentives, or target groups might be involved. Interesting topic for investigative reporting.

Posted by: ML on October 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM | PERMALINK

All is not lost. Pretty soon though it will be. As "support" for FOX's brand continues to grow intellectual curiosity smeens to shrink. Us "pointy heads" used to have equal numbers in the GOP. I seem to remember that the Nazis were a regional party to begin. Goering made NAZI a household name. FOX needs only a last letter:"I". FOXI.

That network is building the Base, not Palin. It will become the next political party, probably headed by a Palin-like individual who will manifest after Palin's failed bid for the Presidency in 2012.

You read it first here. Nauseating...

Posted by: Stevio on October 7, 2009 at 1:54 PM | PERMALINK

Lets see how Fox treats undercover videos at gun shows. Seems identical to the ACORN videos with some selling guns illegally while others not doing so. I call for a full investigation of the NRA and all gun manufacturers, all members, any politician who have given a speech to an NRA audience or accepted a contribution or dealth with both in any capacity, and any lawyer involved with either in a legal case. They must be guilty of something, perhaps even as simple as an association.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910070013

Posted by: Dave on October 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM | PERMALINK

There's a simple math reason Fox News does so well in the ratings: It's the only right-crazy network out there. If people had to choose between only CNN and Fox, the numbers wouldn't look so good. But the non-fanatic viewership is spread throughout the rest of the cable and broadcast spectrum.

Posted by: Bobo on October 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM | PERMALINK

putting what we believe to be the facts out on the table,"

Yes, but, his fingers were crossed behind his back, so by Fox's grade school 'rules' they were telling the truth. . .

Posted by: DAY on October 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM | PERMALINK

A note to f*** 'em -

Neither of the solutions you propose would work here. The Fairness Doctrine and FCC licenses apply only to networks that broadcast over the airwaves, because the government controls the limited broadcast spectrum that is available. Fox News is a cable channel, and therefore not subject to FCC regulations on matters like this. Fox, the broadcast network, has almost no news presence outside of the low-rated "Fox News Sunday" program.

For that matter, if we liberals get into the business of censoring operations we disagree with, we fulfill the wettest dreams of people like Jonah Goldberg. I think the Obama Administration's handling this pretty well - point out FNC's inherent bias and don't feel pressured to bring your ball to their court and play by their rules. We report, you decide, indeed.

Posted by: Daniel on October 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM | PERMALINK

either re-install the Fairness Doctrine or yank the broadcast license granted to them for use of the airwaves owned by the American People.

Faux News is a cable channel.


Posted by: Gregory on October 7, 2009 at 2:50 PM | PERMALINK

Fox News is like those skeptical of the local gossip. She knows and passes along the local news before the general public sees, hears, or reads it and we give her an insincere smile and go about our business. Then in less than two weeks her "gossip" is the LOCAL NEWS. She was right. It is published and some reporter gets the glory for uncovering the truth. BEWARE.

Posted by: Janice on October 7, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

The main difference that was not spelled out...

...FoxNews with malice and aforethought lies all the time and seems to direct its staff to do the same.

Posted by: Blue Shark on October 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM | PERMALINK

Hey f'em, Fox News does not have or require a license to use the public airwaves. They are a cable station, distributed over private lines.

And as to broadcast stations, the only thing reintroduction of the Fairness doctrine would do is make Air America as untenable as it would the right-wing talkers.

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on October 7, 2009 at 8:27 PM | PERMALINK

What are you people afraid of? The truth? Or the fact Fox has the highest ratings... you people are a joke....

Posted by: McCarthy on October 7, 2009 at 9:07 PM | PERMALINK
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