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October 21, 2009

LAY OF THE LAND, PART I.... There's been plenty of activity on the Hill since late yesterday on health care reform, so let's take stock of where we are now. We'll tackle the Senate first, and the House in the next post.

The Reid/Baucus/Dodd negotiations continue, with updates for the rest of the Senate Democratic caucus, though everyone involved is being tight lipped about developments. By most indications, the discussions are focusing on the easier elements first -- providing a foundation of measures that everyone seems to agree on -- and working their way up to the more contentious provisions.

During a press briefing in the afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) kinda sorta made some news.

Asked Tuesday whether the talks were leaning "toward or against" a public option, Reid picked option 3. "We're leaning toward talking about a public option," he said. "We have -- no decision has been made. We had a -- not a long discussion last night on public option. I've had a number of meetings in my office dealing with Democrats and Republicans on the public option aspect of it. And when the decision's made to send this on to the [Congressional Budget Office], I will have made a decision as to what we're going to do with the public option. It's not done yet."

The notion that Senate leaders are "leaning toward talking about" the idea generated some chuckles, but it may be more encouraging than it appears. As Ezra explained, "The negotiators can do one of two things with the public option. Figure out a compromise to put in the bill during the negotiations phase, or ignore the issue completely and let it get decided on the floor. In other words, they can talk about it or they can decide against talking about it. This quote suggests that they're leaning towards figuring out the issue in negotiations rather than leaving it to the floor. That's a big win for public option advocates. If they get something in during negotiations, opponents will need to muster 60 votes to remove it on the floor. If the public option has the 52 supporters that Sen. Tom Harkin estimates, then that's impossible."

There remains plenty of optimism in some corners. Harkin told MSNBC last night, "I'm telling you, we're going to have a public option in this bill." Salon's Mike Madden added that "momentum ... seems to be shifting toward the public option, even if it's shifting slowly."

Elsewhere in the Senate, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, the chamber's most conservative Democrat, who has been strongly opposed to a public option, signaled a willingness to support the measure if it were watered down a bit, with either an opt-out or a trigger.

Colorado Sens. Mark Udall (D) and Michael Bennet (D), meanwhile, also spoke up yesterday, urging senators to commit to letting the Senate vote, up or down, on a reform bill with a public option. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) of Vermont, who caucuses with the majority, also continues to push this message: "I would hope that [President Obama] would remind every member of the Democratic caucus that the function of the Republican Party -- which the American people are very clearly seeing -- is obstructionism and is saying no in the midst of a terrible, terrible health care crisis. So what the president -- and all of us -- should be asking is every member of the Democratic caucus to vote yes to stop Republican filibusters."

Steve Benen 8:00 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (6)
 
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I see , and boys should stop being boys ?
The purity of the conservative neocon republican insists that pigtails be pulled , and that straps be snapped , its the law 'pardner' .

Posted by: FRP on October 21, 2009 at 8:14 AM | PERMALINK

Even if there's a public option, I'm not sure it will mean anything. There's not much point in having a public option if Congress puts restrictions on who can join. I've heard proposals that would include a public option, but only those people who currently don't have insurance can sign up.

Keep up the pressure on your Congresscritters.

Also, can someone explain when in the process a filibuster can be used? Can it stop a bill from being brought to the floor of the Senate? Can it stop individual amendments? Can it stop the amended bill from being voted out of the Senate? Can it stop a final bill that's been reconciled the the House version from being voted on? Details mean everything.


Posted by: SteveT on October 21, 2009 at 8:33 AM | PERMALINK

SteveT,

There was a good front page peice over at the Great Orange Saten (Daily Kos) the other day running through all those issues. I think it was from Paul W.

Posted by: Napoleon on October 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK

"Elsewhere in the Senate, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, the chamber's most conservative Democrat, who has been strongly opposed to a public option, signaled a willingness to support the measure if it were watered down a bit, with either an opt-out or a trigger."

These "watered down" versions would give us a choice between a shit sandwich on rye or a shit sandwich on wheat.

Quality, affordable health care for ALL, means exactly that. We don't need no more stinkin' compromises (the H.E.L.P. committee bill IS the compromise).

Posted by: Chris on October 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM | PERMALINK

or or and. I might be overly pessimistic, but I interpreted Nelson as saying he would accept a public option with a trigger *and* an opt out provision.

And frankly, I don't think it is possible to be overly pessimistic if the question is "will Ben Nelson make trouble and get attention or will he behave himself."

What FRP said. Boys will be boys. Ben will be Ben.

Posted by: Robert Waldmann on October 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM | PERMALINK

So now Ben Nelson is going to dictate what the Senate bill will look like? Why is Harry Reid even majority leader? He very clearly has no idea how to lead.

Posted by: Rian Mueller on October 21, 2009 at 5:20 PM | PERMALINK
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