October 22, 2009
GIBBS SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT.... Following up on an earlier item, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was asked this afternoon about Dick Cheney's criticism of President Obama on U.S. policy in Afghanistan.
"What Vice President Cheney calls 'dithering, President Obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform and the American public,'" Gibbs said. "I think we've all seen what happens when somebody doesn't take that responsibility seriously."
That's a pretty good response, actually.
Now, if you watch the whole clip, you'll notice that Gibbs repeatedly references a request for additional troops and resources for the conflict in Afghanistan from Gen. David McKiernan in early 2008 -- a request that Gibbs argues Bush/Cheney put off for the next administration to deal with.
Is that what happened? Pretty much, yes. Jason Zengerle pointed to this Rajiv Chandrasekaran piece from a few weeks ago, which noted McKiernan's request: "A military official familiar with McKiernan's thinking said his request for 30,000 troops last fall was tempered by a belief that the Bush White House would reject it outright if he asked for more. As it was, Bush tabled the request, leaving it to Obama."
Here's hoping the press doesn't respond to Gibbs' pushback against Cheney by comparing the White House to Nixon again.
—Steve Benen 3:00 PM
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Obama's tendency to think things through and formulate strategy just proves he really IS just like Hitler.
/snark
Posted by: fourlegsgood on October 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM | PERMALINK
I think the White House should play it this way: Obama being compared to a corrupt REPUBLICAN? Why do they keep wanting to compare him to a corrupt REPUBLICAN? That really sounds more like something a corrupt REPUBLICAN would do. CORRUPT REPUBLICAN CORRUPT REPUBLICAN CORRUPT REPUBLICAN on and on and on. Republicans won't like it that every single time they turn on the TV there's another bold reference to Republican corruption and eventually they will be forced to shut their mouths.
Posted by: Limbaughs Diabetes on October 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM | PERMALINK
God damn Dick Cheney's shit-filled soul to hell.
Posted by: neill on October 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK
Good governance is unusually straightforward these days. Ask yourself what the previous administration would have done and do the opposite.
Posted by: FC on October 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM | PERMALINK
it is interesting to listen to Major Garrett (is that who it is?) repeatedly change the statement that Gibbs made about "taking a responsibility to men and women in uniform and the American public" seriously to "taking a troop request seriously" etc etc. These are sloppy (or devious) people.
Posted by: bdbd on October 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM | PERMALINK
How DARE this Obama fellow blame Bush and Cheney?
Why, if he was the true, patriotic American you Dems say he is, he would have run for president in 2000, and we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. . .
Posted by: DAY on October 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM | PERMALINK
I think Gibbs should end each response with the request he made once in this briefing: (Paraphrased)"I don't know, why don't you ask Cheney?"
The outragous statements made by mad man Cheney demand scuiteny. How anyone can expect Obama to finish in 8 months (One month after a trrop request) what was neglected for 7 years is a mystery. These reporters are asking shameful inquiries leveled at the wrong people. They should be hounding Darth not Obama.
Oh, wait. Never mind. They would first have to sign a pledge form before even getting close to what is left of that madman. Nauseating...
Posted by: stevio on October 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM | PERMALINK
Neill, that bargain (his soul for the world) was made long ago.
Posted by: FC on October 22, 2009 at 3:34 PM | PERMALINK
As it was, Bush tabled the request, leaving it to Obama.
Imagine that. That petulant little son of a bitch starts a war, makes hundreds of thousands of enemies of the U.S., then kicks the whole can down the road for someone else to deal with as he waltzes off to a career giving "motivational" speeches. I wish I could live for another 200 years just to see and read what historians will ultimately make of that sorry excuse for a human being. Short of that barbarian Rick Perry getting elected to the Presidency*, I don't doubt Shrub will go down as the worst president in the history of the Republic.
*(A Halloween thought guaranteed to freeze even the hardest soul in terror!)
Posted by: electrolite on October 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM | PERMALINK
If Cheney had known the right policy for Aghanistan, that war would be over by now. That there is a question about us still needing more troops is a clear sign that Cheney doesn't have any authority to talk about policy there. If the Bushistas had been competent, our troops would be home by now.
Posted by: biggerbox on October 22, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK
My god, Dick Cheney is such an asshole. This guy is in serious need of a muzzle or a good blowjob, I don't know which. Maybe both, with the order of appearance depending on whether he is on the giving or the receiving end.
Posted by: rbe1 on October 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM | PERMALINK
Folks, you just don't get it.
Cheney's making a gadzillion dollars with his Bush era wars, known as perpetuawar.
Why shouldn't we keep a good thing going?
"Victory" has already been achieved, untold billions into bank accounts of the kings of kill.
God, I love Dick and his ilk.
Perpetuawar, the best fleecing of the American publics' monies money and the weapons of war can buy. (oh yeah I forgot Wall Streets' antics)
Posted by: Tom Nicholson on October 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM | PERMALINK
"What Vice President Cheney calls 'dithering, President Obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform and the American public,'" Gibbs said. "I think we've all seen what happens when somebody doesn't take that responsibility seriously."*************************
Ummm, that's "EX-V.P. Cheney". There is a current one, for the record, and his heart aint' a piece of hardened shit from Mephistopheles' anal opening, so it's easy to tell the difference b/t the two.
Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on October 22, 2009 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK
"That there is a question about us still needing more troops is a clear sign that Cheney doesn't have any authority to talk about policy there. "
POint on Biggerbox, point on!
Also, Cheney should have to account, to the American People, just how much his net worth has increased as a direct and indirect result of the wars he promoted during his reign of terror. Then, future earning potential that he and his family could likely accrue should be projected. THEN we might get a good look at some of the real motivation behind Dickless' and Liz-ard's behavior as of late. War-profiteering is UNAMERICAN, immoral, inhumane, and just plain sick!
Posted by: In what respect, Charlie? on October 22, 2009 at 4:21 PM | PERMALINK
That's pretty impressive chutzpah on Cheney's part - accusing Obama of 'dithering' on Afghanistan for taking a few months to think things through properly, when Bush/Cheney's 7 years of neglect of the war they pretended they'd already won was what resulted in Obama's having this mess dumped in his lap to begin with.
Good to see Obama's people calling him out on this.
Posted by: low-tech cyclist on October 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM | PERMALINK
I thought criticizing the Commander-in-Chief during wartime was borderline treason? Funny having a "D" after your name changes that equation.
Posted by: bikelib on October 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM | PERMALINK
I was dismayed that the constitutional grounds over-stepping, political grandstanding, low pool numbered Dick Cheney would be on my tee vee early this morning, engaged in his usual, tired, worst-on-record fearmongering stik.
What nerve. He is clearly on a revisionist history tour criticizing our president. A simple google search reveals what failures enveloped since his administration was up front and center
the last eight years. Let us all be reminded of mismangagement and security flaws of the last administration.
Good lord, the American troops under the Cheney watch lacked basic body and vehicle armor.
All the money going to Cheney's energy company Halliburton, and their subsidiaries??
Recall the National Guard member questioning Rumsfield 12/8/05 and desperately saying our vehicles aren't armored. We're digging up rusted scrap metal to put on our vehicles to take into combat. We don't have proper armament vehicles to carry with us north.
And what was Rumsfield's answer?--he told the soldier you go to war with the army you have, not the one you might want or wish to have.
Recall disillusioned John Perkins reporting the opportunism, authoring a book, out on a limb, telling how Iraq, with its coastline, with its strategic location being perfect as a vast market for our technology and engineering expertise, sitting atop one of the most extensive oil fields.
The nerve of Cheney indicating the troops under Obama are in danger.
Recall Clark Ervin, Cheney administration whistleblower on security flaws, being shown the door.
Recall wide spread detainee abuse in Gitmo uncovered by the Red Cross.
Gitmo--that anti-american recruiting tool--endangering the troops for years.
Recall the class action suit by soldiers reacting to Cheney's devastating stop loss orders.
His disparaging comments about Obama, along with those by his attention-seeking daughter Liz, belong on late night Fox News shows--that right wing arm of the Republican Party.
Recall departing press secretary to Cheney's administration, Scott McClellan, marked his dissension with that crowd by telling the world that the Cheney/Bush white house routinely supplied Fox their talking points for the day.
And for the NPR reporter Ms Marcus to doubt that shows she needs booted out out of that job.
Posted by: far thinker on October 22, 2009 at 4:48 PM | PERMALINK
No one who has read the many accounts of the runup to the Iraq invasion can fail to come away with the sense that the Bush administration DELIBERATLY failed to plan for the post-war -- or Phase IV -- part of the invasion that eventually erupted into looting and insurgency.
The reason for this failure to plan for the peace is easy enough to understand: if you try to account for all that might go wrong you have to admit that things could go wrong, and that was an unacceptable obstacle to the quick war that the neo-conservatives wanted. And so proper planning was deliberately sacrified to empty spin about an invasion being a walk in the park.
The Bush administration did not simply try and fail to properly prepare for the war in Iraq. They didn't even try, and by design.
Given this record it is beyond obscene that Dick Cheney is lecturing anyone on how to run a war.
Posted by: Ted Frier on October 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM | PERMALINK
Ron Reagan asked a good question today--why was Cheney so reluctant to get the job done in Afghanistan, instead diverting to Iraq, and himself never adding troops in Afghanistan, if needed when he was at the helm, and why was convicted felon perjurer and chief Cheney aide Scooter Libby just honored with Cheney, at the right winger tuxedo wearing event where the former vice president spoke his poisonous dribble about Obama and the troops, as we recall highly esteemed investigator Patrick Fitzgerald summarizing with Libby's indictment there remained a dark cloud over Cheney.
I paraphrase, but way to go, Ron.
Posted by: far thinker on October 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM | PERMALINK
Just another attempt by Cheney to rewrite history and deflect attention from his screw-up
Posted by: W.B.N. on October 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM | PERMALINK
this is worse than Cheney trying to rewrite history, instead, he's trying to dictate policy. It is completely reprehensible on so many levels. But what I object to most is the fact that the mainstream media covers every utterance of Vice President Cheney as if it's news. It's like he's still in the White House. No other vice president in history has gotten this kind of differential treatment. It would be different if he had something new to say but he never does. He says the same garbage over and over again. The mainstream media makes me want to puke.
Posted by: ecthompson on October 22, 2009 at 11:11 PM | PERMALINK
or...
gibbs could have quoted the previous vice president and told cheney to...
go f*ck himself...
Posted by: mr. irony on October 23, 2009 at 5:39 AM | PERMALINK
I thought criticizing the Commander-in-Chief during wartime was borderline treason?
Funny - I asked this exact question on yesterday's Cheney thread after it was invaded by dozens of cons directed in from (I think) Powerline.
The answer? Deafening silence. They must not have a prepared talking point for this one yet.
Posted by: DH Walker on October 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM | PERMALINK