i wonder if god is as fat as michael moore? voltaire didnt think so, but michael seems to think jezus was...

And how did practicing Catholic Joe Biden become the Vice President?

The Donohue column was StormFront-level hateful. Every time I think the Washington Post editorial office has hit bottom, they find something more awful to publish. I shudder to imagine who will win their "You Could Be Our Next Opinion Writer!" contest.

Donohue isn't talking about practicing Catholics like Speaker Pelosi or Senator and former presidential candidate Kerry, he's talking about Catholics who practice his particular brand of toxic, hate-filled Catholicism.

I get Donohue's creepy obsession with bathhouses -- get me projection, stat -- but dog walkers? WTF?

It's all quite simple: Love one another.

Sorry, Mr. Donohue, it would be a good idea to destroy Christianity. Believing in imaginary friends has brought misery, pain and massive stupidity on the world...

How did Nancy Pelosi become Speaker and Ted Kennedy become the heart of the party?

Because Pope Billy D. has decreed them heretics and banished them from the Land of All That Is Good...

Honestly, part of me hopes that everything I learned in Catholic school is right, becuase Bill will be in for a BIG surprise when he goes to the afterlife...

secular saboteurs have shut down: they're too busy walking their dogs, going to bathhouses and aborting their kids

When will American society wake up to the evils of homosexuality, abortion, and dog-walking?

They know, deep down, that what they are doing is wrong,

Well, yes. That's why it turns me on.

and they shudder at the dreaded words, "Thou Shalt Not."

Shudder, yes. But it's a shudder of delicious pleasure ....

secular saboteurs have shut down: they're too busy walking their dogs, going to bathhouses and aborting their kids

Seriously, does he think "dog-walking" is some kind of euphemism? What on earth is he on about with dog-walking????

>"what on earth the Post was thinking publishing Donohue's enraged invective"

Like the broadcast media, print is following bombast to the bottom.

It sells.

if "practicing Catholics are no longer welcome in leadership roles in the Party," how did Nancy Pelosi become Speaker and Ted Kennedy become the heart of the party?

Because Pelosi and Kennedy were not practicing Catholics.

religious conservatives continue to breed like rabbits

This is the part that most concerns me. While I feel I've done my share in the liberal breeding department, I may have to see if my wife wants to help me "walk the dog,"

I think he means "walking their dogs" instead of having children.

As far as the WaPo publishing Donohue goes, seems to me that that's part of this whole "we need to ge in touch with the political center/common man" philosophy. Basic problem with that is that where the "center" is is a very highly subjective answer that depends very heavily on where the questioner is at the moment. "The Village" confuses a fuzzy and moving target with one that can be precisely targeted and hit.

People like Donohue are living in some sort of alternate universe... I guess. I have no other explanation for his hateful screed.

Does he think he is God, judging what is in people's hearts re their faithfulness to the Catholic faith? Of course, being a Protestant, I'm a heretic in his eyes. Doubly so, I guess, since our denomination just officially sanctioned gay and lesbian clergy who are in committed relationships to serve congregations. I'm just quaking in my boots over what Donohue thinks about that. Not.

BTW, Bill, tomorrow is Reformation Sunday, so look out! (kidding)

Poring, not pouring! Ugh!

Gee, "my" denomination has been welcoming all manner of people, regardless of outer differences, and we don't even have to make a big deal about it(I hope this is not making a big deal about it). What I know is that there is only one power of creation, and it "made" everything. As extensions/aspects of that power, we are the creators of our own universes. And Donahue is also part of that creation. He is acting as a catalyst to this discussion.

I refer you to The Lost Symbol, Dan Brown's latest book. It is going to generate a great deal of discussion on the nature of religion and spirituality, and the origins of our country. Read pages 30-31 for a description of Masonic perspective on religion/spirituality. Very interesting.

I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
peace,
st john

Catholic Donohue, like Baptist Land, is a prime recruiting tool for atheism.

-Keep up the good work, fellas!

Donohue, Benny and their ilk are killing off the Catholic church. I come from a very large Catholic family. Every one of the children looks on the church as an anachronism, and even those who still remain nominally members do it largely for ceremonial reasons, and pick and choose through the despicable theology what they are willing to accept. I don't know about "God," but to paraphtase Nietzsche, "the Catholic Church is dead."

gays and atheists are desperate to destroy western civilization and modern Christianity.

Let's start with just how much of what we consider "western civilization" owes its existence to gays and atheists - or perhaps it would be more accurate to say "non-religious" instead.

Then let's consider that "modern" Christianity is actually what's destroying our civilization.

Nobody in all of human history has dropped a single bomb or fired a single bullet in the name of love - gay or straight. But countless bombs have been dropped and bullets fired to the strains of "Onward Christian Soldiers."

The BooMan has already sent a letter to the Post's ombudsman (not that that usually has much effect on the brain-dead editorial folks at the paper) pointing out that Donahue's claim that Catholics are no longer welcomed in Congressional leadership posts is a giant pile of warm horse crap. He even provides the ombudsman with lists so their fact checkers won't have to do it themselves. Oh wait...I guess they don't actually use fact checkers as evidenced by their running Donahue's piece:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/10/21/95344/254

Indeed, practicing Catholics are no longer welcome in leadership roles in the Party....

He's right. Other than Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Assistant Senate Majority Leader Dick Durbin, Secretary of the Conference Patty Purray, Vice President Joe Biden, 2004 Presidential nominee John Kerry, etc. etc., there are very few prominent Catholics in the Democratic leadership.

As a Catholic myself, let me urge Tom Donohue to help himself to a piping hot cup of shut the fuck up.

Whoops, I see BooMan is already on it, and in more detail.

Donohue, of course, would insist that none of those are real Catholics because they ignore the Church's doctrine on abortion.

Of course, Donohue and his kind don't care that Republican Catholics ignore the Church's teachings on the Iraq War and the death penalty, but clearly, Donohue is a better Catholic than the Pope.

Roddy, I'm not going to disagree with you that terrible wrongs have been done in the "name" of Christianity. Those people were and are flat out wrong.

There are countless numbers of us now who are trying to follow Jesus' call to love our neighbors, empowering people, feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, educating children, working for peace and for protecting the environment. We are well-read and celebrate science. We are millions of regular citizens and clergy, of many denominations, whose national bodies have taken official positions in these areas. You would be wise not to discount us. Thanks for considering it.

Levada complains about secular people walking their dogs because he thinks it's their Christian duty to be changing diapers to further the faith.

Opps. Levada and Donahue complain about secular people walking their dogs because orthodox Catholics thinks it's their Christian duty to be changing diapers to further the faith.

Donohue is disgustsing, and anyone who considers anyone's "breeding like rabbits" to be a good thing is a destructive wretch. BTW I want all that child tax credit money back.

Oh I don't know Bill Donohue seems to have me all figured out. I'm not certain where the bath house is (maybe it's the hot tub place in Hayward) and I have cats but otherwise I definitely despise the church. With "leaders" like dear Donohue, what's not to despise? I believe in what I can see, thanks, not what you want me to see. All I'm seeing right now is what I've been seeing all of my life, socially acceptable psychosis with a purported lake of fire for the neerdowells and a dash of fuming nitric acid (for the smoke effect).

"There are countless numbers of us now who are trying to follow Jesus' call to love our neighbors, empowering people, feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, educating children, working for peace and for protecting the environment. " Hannah @2:45 PM

Bless you, Hannah, for being a caring, kind member of the human race. Why does Jesus- or ANY 'religious leader' need to be a part of your treatment of others?

Hannah, at what point did I discount people of faith who do not use their religion as an excuse to hate and kill?

The 'dog walking' reference may have something to do with the fact that Catholic dogs don't go to heaven. The pope has said so. Really.

The dog walking reference has something to do with homosexuals walking the Manhattan streets with homo dogs like Poodles, Lhasa Apsos and Shi Tzus on their leashes--see the movie "Best in Show" for further information.

Well, if by "practicing Catholics" Donohue means "Catholics that agree with me," which he almost certainly does, then he is right. They are not welcome in the Democratic party, or any other nominally civilized organization.

He meant to say "man ON dog", not "man WITH dog".

And to the list of names (of practicing Catholics in Dem leadership) y'al have mentioned above, I'll add Tim Kaine. Not much of a leader,'tis true, but a titular head of the DNC nonetheless.

Since when does the DIVORCED Donahue become the official Catholic representative of Jesus's teachings?

As far as the important study goes, what do people lie about more, sex or religion?

Donahue said:
"The culture war is up for grabs. The good news is that religious conservatives continue to breed like rabbits, while secular saboteurs have shut down"

Good! Then it will be mostly the grandchildren of religious conservatives that suffer the full scale of horrors awaiting with our carbon caused climate change. They'll be dying like rabbits in another 20 years. Me too.

Hannah and TR: Right on! And thank you!

Roddy: I know it's sort of nitpicking, and I don't disagree with your overall point, but it's really not actually accurate to say that nobody in history has "fired a single bullet in the name of love, gay or straight." What about crimes of passion where, for instance, a man shoots another man because they're both in love with the same person? I mean, it's inaccurate to say that never happens, is all I'm saying.

I would like to speak up in defense of dog walking.

I usually do it twice a day. I have six or seven street and wooded routes ranging from a half mile to a mile.

Walking the dog is when I see my neighbors. Often I walk with them for half a mile and catch up with them and their families. Today I learned my neighbor's boy had his appendix out this week so I'm going to get him a small recovery gift.

Along the way I take stock of the number of deer in the woods, how far the foxes are ranging, whether the streams are full, where the invasive plants are spreading. Walking the dog under a full moon after a few inches of snow have fallen is a real treat.

Sometimes I take my dog to the store to get groceries, which helps stem global warming. And did I mention that I believe in God and go to religious services every Sunday? I even teach Sunday school.

It's great to get out and stretch my legs. Oh, and my dog really appreciates getting out and running around. So why does Mr. Donahue hate my dog? Does he hate me, too? Is it because I am doing something I like or because I'm not off crusading with him against gay secularists?

I think Mr. Donahue needs to get a dog and do some dog walking.

A new canonical entity will allow Anglicans 'to enter full communion with the Catholic Church while preserving elements of the distinctive Anglican spiritual and liturgical patrimony,'

Sully, I'm not sure about Kennedy in regards to Catholicism (I'm talking about when he was alive, of course), but Pelosi is a practicing Catholic.

Ted Kennedy seems to have been a regular communicant (and a true believer as opposed to a cultural Catholic) after he married Vicki. Pelosi and Biden are well-known for regular attendance. I loved that Biden's sweet lil ol' mama still asks him if he went to mass on holy days!

I'm not sure what crazyman is on about with the dog-walkers. I guess he's trying to throw in a "liberals practice bestiality" inference here (because he's batshit crazy), but the rest of it is probably "has dogs instead of kids" and "walks the dog instead of going to church".

"...religious conservatives continue to breed like rabbits..."

You know you're in seriously strange territory when the above quotation is meant as a COMPLIMENT.

On a related God note, a number of U.S. women in Catholic religious orders are under heavy scrutiny by order of the Vatican for the sin of independent thinking. Too bad the church wasn't as stern and vigilant about pedophile priests as it is about intelligent Catholic sisters. The church is bankrupt, all right.

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_13555625

About that "breed like rabbits". That reminds me that the two largest generations in recent (or American history), the Baby Boomers/Jonesers (1946-1964) and the upcoming Millenials, are both children of conservatives, and both generations are very, very liberal. America is still shaking from the aftershocks of what the Baby Boomers have done, and the Millenials are even more liberal than the Boomers. Also, there's a lot of conservative kids who run like bats out of hell from the fun denying and authoritarian right wing teachings once they start living on their own.

So Donahue is going to be very, very, disappointed if he lives long enough.

"Catholics were once the mainstay of the Democratic Party"

"The Roman Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, Del., has been hit with so many lawsuits related to sexual abuse by members of the clergy that it had to file for bankruptcy."

Oops.

"punishing little kids for painting a picture of Jesus"
I almost spit my coffee. I was slapped on the knuckles for drawing a picture of Jesus! It was buy a nun in Chatachism. I was not paying attention to "the word of DOG!~" Told my mom the story, she stored off the parish, chewed out the Mon "Seen-Yore" and pulled us all out. That was my last day as a "Papist".

So, what do you get when you combine an agnostic, a dyslexic and an insomniac? Someone that sits up all night wandering there is a DOG!