October 27, 2009
PART OF A MOVEMENT, NOT A DISTRICT.... Next week's special election in New York's 23rd continues to be a fascinating three-way fight between moderate Democrat Bill Owens, a moderate Republican Dede Scozzafava, and far-right Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman. The most notable development, of course, is the deep schism that's developed among Republican establishment types (Gingrich, Boehner) who support the GOP nominee, and right-wing leaders (Palin, Beck, Santorum) who don't,
But while this fight continues to play out among activists, leaders, lawmakers, and media personalities, Hoffman has neglected one minor point: learning what's going on in the district he intends to represent.
The Conservative Party candidate stopped by the Watertown Daily Times the other day for a meeting with the paper's editorial board. Not surprisingly, the editors wanted to talk about local transportation projects and the district's economy. Hoffman, who was chaperoned for some reason by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R) of Texas, was woefully unprepared for easy questions.
A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked. He was, if he had taken the time to read the Thursday morning Times editorial raising the very same questions.
Coming to Mr. Hoffman's defense, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, who accompanied the candidate on a campaign swing, dismissed regional concerns as "parochial" issues that would not determine the outcome of the election. On the contrary, it is just such parochial issues that we expect our representative to understand and be knowledgeable about, if he wants to be our voice in Washington.
Hoffman could have simply picked up that day's newspaper, and read about the interests of the editorial board before chatting with them. But he couldn't be bothered -- his campaign isn't about New York's 23rd; it's about the soul of the national Republican Party and the future of conservative politics.
He can't be bothered with "parochial" concerns such as what's actually important to district residents' daily lives; Hoffman has a movement to worry about.
I'm guessing Hoffman hasn't heard the expressions, "All politics is local"? When a candiate in up-state New York needs a Texan to tell a local newspaper not to care so much about issues important to up-state New York, there's a problem.
—Steve Benen 11:20 AM
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All politics is celebrity here and now.
the local is where reality is, where people really live their lives and try to forge a decent society and care for each other.that has nothing to do with politics.
Politics is power, and money, and that means doing what the corporations want from you. so you come into town as a big bright and shiny thing...
Posted by: neill on October 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM | PERMALINK
He doesn't bother to read the newspaper he is going to visit? At least once? Flunk Electioneering 101!
Posted by: Tigershark on October 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK
In the land of Wingnuttia, elected officials need not be knowledgable or even particularly intelligent, they need only to be ideologically pure. One can only hope that the loons keep driving out the 'moderates'in the GOP, as seems to be the case here.
Posted by: BillFromPA on October 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK
For some reason, I'm reminded of the line in an episode of the TV series M*A*S*H where a general is being grilled by Hawkeye and Trapper: "Gentlemen, this is a press conference! The last thing I want to do is answer a lot of questions!"
Posted by: Mustang Bobby on October 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM | PERMALINK
That really was amazingly stupid of him and it likely cost him any real hope of winning that election, not that he had much in the first place.
What it could do, though, is to ensure that the seat remains Republican, since the Democrat in the race was benefitting from this Republican civil war.
Posted by: PaulB on October 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM | PERMALINK
Sounds to me like Hoffman would be a good candidate in the exact same way Palin would. Zero knowledge of anything regarding governing but a darling of the extreme right-wing of the GOP simple because......oh hell, I have no clue why.
Posted by: Chopin on October 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM | PERMALINK
No wonder Palin supports him. He is just as uninformed and uncaring of the nitty, gritty as she is. Also.
Posted by: Hannah on October 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM | PERMALINK
"What it could do, though, is to ensure that the seat remains Republican, since the Democrat in the race was benefitting from this Republican civil war"
I dont think so, the 20% who support the teabagger candidate are not going to switch because of this
Posted by: jefft452 on October 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK
In a world with a world wide web, I don't know if "all politics is local" is true anymore. The people who are supporting Hoffman are people who think something is seriously wrong with the COUNTRY, not the district (or at least, not just the district). Electing someone not in the establishment is supposed to be their wake up call TO the establishment. I'm sure many potential Hoffman supporters will puss out and vote Scozzafava, but for the ideologically pure of mind and heart (which IS NOT the same thing as being right, lest you think I'm on their particular bus), voting for the person who shares their values will matter most.
Posted by: slappy magoo on October 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM | PERMALINK
This race is the referendum on Obama. If the Democrat wins, the republicans need to shut the fuck up. Take that Cornyn, you dick!
Posted by: Patrick on October 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM | PERMALINK
The "parochial" concerns raised by the editorial board included such things as the St. Lawrence Seaway, and long-planned improvement of US Highway 2, the major east-west thoroughfare through the far north. In other words, regional issues that directly involve the federal government. These are things that any 23rd District candidate should be fully informed of. If he's elected, he'll have to take a lead role on such issues, or risk significantly hurting his own district's interests.
Posted by: jvwalt on October 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM | PERMALINK
Your morning aphorism
All politics for Republicans is divide and conquer.
It is how they ran the country while in power.
It is how Fox News treats the US population in general.
It is how they treat each other if they can find a way to gain power by it.
Posted by: koreyel on October 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK
Reminds me of the old Pace Thick and Chunky Commercials except with the roles reversed.
"We'd, um, I'd like to ignore all the upstate NY Local Problems and focus on what a bunch of wingnuts from Texas want us to do."
"Texas?!? Only two things come from Texas..."
Good like with that Dick Armey.
Posted by: Former Dan on October 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK
That really was amazingly stupid of him and it likely cost him any real hope of winning that election, not that he had much in the first place.
They never expected to win. They're a) going for the national publicity and b) setting him up for the next election.
Posted by: shortstop on October 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM | PERMALINK
By the way, are we certain that Armey didn't specifically coach this guy to remain as ignorant as possible of all issues -- as a way of endearing him to the teabagging base, that is?
Posted by: shortstop on October 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK
That should be "upstate" not "up-state". And some of us even like it capitalized, as in "Beautiful Upstate New York." (It usually gets capitalized when it's just "Upstate".)
Thanks!
Posted by: Simon St.Laurent on October 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM | PERMALINK
Oh, he's Palin with a dick.
Posted by: hells littlest angel on October 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM | PERMALINK
I have a question. If this guy Hoffman wins, what are the chances that the "Conservative Party" goes national?
Wouldn't it be good for the progressives' side if there was a more substantial amd cohesive right wing third party than the current ineffectual mix of parties like the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, plus even smaller, loonier local parties?
Posted by: Snow Camp on October 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK
>>should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked
Don't I recall howls of protest and indignation when people thought--wrongly--that Obama knew one question that would be asked at a presser?
Now this guy wants a whole list of all potential questions?
Posted by: RSR on October 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM | PERMALINK
I can't wait until 2010 when they unleash an entire nationwide slate of imbeciles.
Posted by: SaintZak on October 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM | PERMALINK
It's actually quite refreshing to see a candidate admit that he isn't running to actually represent the people in his district, but to further his own interests and those of his party and contributors. Why someone would find that attractive and actually vote for him is the mystery.
Posted by: qwerty on October 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM | PERMALINK
I can't wait until 2010 when they unleash an entire nationwide slate of imbeciles.
The fun part is that they have to keep topping each other in hyperbole and bizarre behavior. By 2010, publicly soiling one's self in an access of outrage will be the threshold for serious conservative candidates.
Posted by: Dennis-SGMM on October 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM | PERMALINK
Of course it's no surprise that Doug Hoffman is ignorant of local issues in NY-23: his whole campaign has been an exercise in idelogical purity and Dem-bashing on a national scale. He's been pushed forward as a representative of Greater Wingnuttia, not some New York locality: and we'll see where this gets them....
Posted by: Jay C on October 27, 2009 at 12:52 PM | PERMALINK
Reading? What's that?
Local issues, schmocal schmissues.
We don't need no stinking concern or understanding of your petty local issues bitches. We got bigger fish to fry. We need someone who can go to the floor of the house and deny global warming and the legitimacy of Hussein's presidency.
Which one of them (Hoffman or Armey)was wearing the "I'm with stoopid" shirt.
Posted by: Winkandanod on October 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM | PERMALINK
He can't be bothered with "parochial" concerns such as what's actually important to district residents' daily lives; Hoffman has a movement to worry about.
That's what Jim Rogan thought and why he decided to be a House manager for the Clinton impeachment while neglecting constituent services. And that's why Adam Schiff is our representative today instead of Rogan.
Posted by: Mnemosyne on October 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM | PERMALINK
Most apt headline ever. Truly, these guys are a part of a movement.
Posted by: doubtful on October 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM | PERMALINK
No wonder Palin and Bachmann think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Posted by: T-Rex on October 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM | PERMALINK
How many voters are in NY District 23? Surely the majority of them care more about what happens in their District than in DC.
Out of work voters may need rides to the polls. But they will vote Democratic if given the chance.
Posted by: anonymous on October 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM | PERMALINK
It's not too likely that the Conservative party will go national. You see, in NY we have something called "fusion voting", where a candidate can appear on more than one party line on a ballot. This has led to a number of more-or-less stable, though small, third parties in NY. Usually the Conservative party seconds the GOP line and the Working Families Party seconds the Democratic line, but not always.
Posted by: Mike Jones on October 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM | PERMALINK