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October 30, 2009

BACK TO THE MACABRE NONSENSE... About a month ago, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) caused a stir when he described the conservative approach to health care: "Don't get sick. That's what the Republicans have in mind. And if you get sick America, the Republican health care plan is this: die quickly."

The GOP and its allies were outraged. Grayson made it sound as if Republican policies are literally life threatening. The remarks, conservatives said, crossed a line of decency. No one, the argument goes, should accuse their rivals of promoting lethal health care policies.

A month later, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ken.) told a conservative radio host that the public option favored by most congressional Democrats and most of the American public "may cost you your life."

Dennis Miller asked McConnell specifically about the state opt-out compromise. The Minority Leader said it didn't matter because a public plan that competes with private plans is inherently dangerous.

"I think if you have any kind of government insurance program, you're going to be stuck with it and it will lead us in the direction of the European style, you know, sort of British-style, single payer, government run system. And those systems are known for delays, denial of care and, you know, if your particular malady doesn't fit the government regulation, you don't get the medication.

"And it may cost you your life. I mean, we don't want to go down that path."

It's a reminder of just how pathetic the debate itself has been over health care reform. After six months of back and forth -- hearings, debates, town halls, reports, committee votes, interviews, analyses -- the highest ranking Republican in Congress still feels comfortable telling a national audience that competition between public and private health coverage "may cost you your life."

Indeed, one of the few constants throughout the process is conservative Republicans on the Hill, unwilling or unable to debate the policy on the merits, trying to convince people that Democratic policies may actually kill them.

What a sad joke.

Steve Benen 8:35 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (22)

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It's idiotic to blame the Republicans for this sort of debate.

They continue to engage in it because there is no effective opposition to such nonsense from the Democrats, and therefore they can convince a few more fence sitters every time they make their claims. A person like Grayson cannot stop this singlehandedly.

Posted by: gregor on October 30, 2009 at 8:52 AM | PERMALINK

See video of Grayson's chart. http://www.autotunethenews.com/ It's very funny.

McConnell has one thing right, the public option will, with any luck, lead to a single payer system. That's what John Edwards hoped for when he included it as part of his plan.

From The Daily Howler 6/23/09: (quoting a Krugman column from 2007) Mr. Edwards is O.K. with that. ''Over time,'' the press release says, ''the system may evolve toward a single-payer approach if individuals and businesses prefer the public plan.”

Posted by: Tom M on October 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

The sad joke is not an attribute of the debate, it is an attribute of Mitch McConnell, who is a lying pig with absolutely no concern for the people of this country,

His loyalty is completely to the corporations that have bought him. He is an awful, vile, corrupt, lying sack of shit -- currently the better of the two senators from the great state of Bourbon.

Posted by: neill on October 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM | PERMALINK

Well, Frank Luntz has given them new talking points according to MJoe. We shall see. The Repub House yesterday was odd. They kept saying look how big the bill is!!!! Okay. What else you got dumby?? Now McConnell ges back to the sure thing. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!! Guvmint hlth ins.

I think a lot of those older guys probably have their Medicare cards already.

Posted by: cat on October 30, 2009 at 8:57 AM | PERMALINK

Hey, Sen. McConnell,

Who's paying the bill for all those elderly Kentucky coal miners with black lung?

You didn't protect them while they worked and now you're ready to pile dirt on their graves.

Shame on you!!

Posted by: pj in jesusland on October 30, 2009 at 9:06 AM | PERMALINK

Well Ol' Mitch best quit his Gubbment health plan 'afore it kills him.

Posted by: John R on October 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM | PERMALINK

Sen. McConnell needs to apologize.

Posted by: Bobo Teh Clown on October 30, 2009 at 9:17 AM | PERMALINK

DITCH MITCH!

Posted by: andyvillager on October 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM | PERMALINK

Mitch got reelected last year. A lot of people thought he could be had but the Democratic powers that be decided not to fight too hard for their candidate.

The Republic is stuck with him for another 5 years.

It could be argued that without Government run Medicare a lot of senior citizens would die at least a decade earlier than they do. Grandma needs to tell Mitch McConnell that she loves her government run health care.

Posted by: Ron Byers on October 30, 2009 at 9:26 AM | PERMALINK

A Repub says something outrageous (McConnell., Backmann, Boner, et al), and it's yawn.

A Dem dares to use hyperbole to make a point ("Die Quickly") and they wind up with a cover story in the New York Review of Books. (Grayson: the left's wingnut.)

Posted by: DAY on October 30, 2009 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

Perhaps I'm dreaming it...but I seem to recall a time when the idea of a FREE PRESS was to have an opportunity for fact checking and information providing to be made available that wasn't partisan or driven entirely by PROFIT. When the corner was turned and media became "corpritized" and consolidated then focused on presenting personality "breaking news" and refereeing the ginned up WARS between the political parties, WE THE PEOPLE lost any real potential for being able to learn what we needed most to know for deciding what aspects of our government would serve all of us best! I'm not sure there is another corner to turn in the future...this appears to be the scenario we are stuck with...and add to it the successful "dumbing down" of our electorate...it is NOT a pretty picture! It's why it is so easy for LIES from REPUGS to get and retain traction.

Posted by: Dancer on October 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

Plus..the British system is not a single payer system. It is a national health service. The physicians work for the government (as they do in the Veterans Administration hospitals). Medicare is single payer system, it retains private sector physicians but provides a single payment source, the government. To lump all European systems is misleading as well (but as we know, on this issue, when it isn't Canada, Europe is the enemy).

Give me the old U.S. system in which delays and denial of care are nonexistent, right Mitch. I'm surprised he didn't mention Canadian hip replacements.

Either McConnell is lying or stupid to state what he stated. It is always difficult to decide which.

Posted by: Mudge on October 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM | PERMALINK

Either McConnell is lying or stupid

Don't limit him, it can be both ya know.

Posted by: Bobo Teh Clown on October 30, 2009 at 9:49 AM | PERMALINK

Commenters beat me to it -- dishonest and/or stupid on so many levels!

Posted by: Go, Sestak! on October 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM | PERMALINK

Mitch is just bitter, it's hard to get anybody to sleep with you with his appearance and demeanor, much less Dennis Miller.

Posted by: Trollop on October 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM | PERMALINK

I have written to McConnell telling him he should be ashamed of his comments on the British healthcare system, as a British born person I lived with it most of my life, my husband had an aortic anurism & surgery in England, his care was superb, he had lots of treatments -cost was nil. Also McConnell has medicare, which being a government program - he says could kill you, what a hypocrite!

Posted by: JS on October 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM | PERMALINK

What amazes me is the power of imagination these Republicans display. They can conjure up the most fantastical visions of gloom and doom that will happen if we head "in the direction" of something. One thing "could lead" to another thing, which "might" encourage something else, and then, and then, pretty soon someone is dead.

It's like when they were kids the only song they heard was about the old woman who swallowed a fly.

"I think, that if you leave your house today, you're going to be stuck outside, and that could lead in the direction of mandatory wilderness-style, you know, sort of Bedouin-style outdoor nomadic living. And those kind of systems are known for dirt, and yak milk, and you know, if your camel isn't carrying a bathtub, you don't get a bath. And if you have a bad skin condition, that may cost your life. I mean, we don't want to go down that path."

No-sir-ee, we sure don't!.

Posted by: biggerbox on October 30, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

Normally I would insert my constant rant that IT'S ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS OKAY IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN, but I'm taking comfort in the fact that a majority of real Americans favors a public option in spite of the BS being shoveled by the GOP.

Posted by: Lifelong Dem on October 30, 2009 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

As far as Health Care Reform goes, the politicians in a bipartisan way have skewered American Taxpayers for the politicans love of money from big corporations, financial institutions , pharmacy corporations and insurance behemoth's.Max Baucus sits in the senate with Wellpointe lobbyist right behind him. E.Byah's wife is employed by Wellpoint These men should have been recused for conflict of interest. Baucus should not have been made chairman of the committee that weilds so much power.

Posted by: MLJohnston on October 30, 2009 at 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

"[I]f your particular malady doesn't fit the government regulation, you don't get the medication."

That part's true. You'll have to pay for it yourself. And in some cases the policy can lead to a fate, at least in the opinion of the victims, worse than death.

Granted, this is the sort of thing that supplementary co-op insurance would suit.

Posted by: Forrest on October 30, 2009 at 4:00 PM | PERMALINK

I'm still waiting for one person to tell me a single thing repubs have for the good of the people...just one in the past 12yrs. They only exist to obstruct democratic progress.

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