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November 2, 2009

DOVER VISIT DRAWS MORE FIRE FROM THE FAR RIGHT.... First, it was Liz Cheney slamming President Obama for honoring fallen troops at Dover Air Force Base. Yesterday, it was Rush Limbaugh criticizing the president for being on hand as flag-draped coffins as they returned home.

Mr. Limbaugh criticized Mr. Obama's trip as part of a broader attack on the president's handling of Afghanistan and his credentials.

"It was a photo op precisely because he's having big-time trouble on this whole Afghanistan dithering situation," Mr. Limbaugh said on "Fox News Sunday." ... "I think he's got an out-of-this-world ego. He's very narcissistic. And he's able to focus all attention on him all the time," he said.

Right-wing leaders continue to find the strangest things to get upset about.

President Obama paid his respects to fallen U.S. soldiers. This doesn't seem like an especially controversial thing to do. President Bush chose not to greet returning caskets during his two terms, and didn't even want journalists to take photographs of the events, but nevertheless went out of his way to advertise private meetings with the families of the fallen. Was this "narcissistic," too?

For that matter, when 16 Americans were killed in an attack on the U. S. Embassy in Beirut, then-President Reagan not only appeared at Andrews Air Force Base to greet the flag-draped coffins, he brought the First Lady and the media, and then talked about his appearance in a weekly radio address. Did that make it a "photo-op"?

The other day, digby summarized all of this nicely: "Any discussion that there's something untoward in the President greeting dead soldiers is wingnut revisionist crap. Kings and leaders have been doing this since time began. It's a sign of respect for the fallen and they do it publicly as gesture on behalf of the people. That these so-called patriots think there's now something wrong with that tells you everything you need to know about their sincerity."

Steve Benen 8:35 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (39)
 
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The wingers are upset because Obama did something admirable and dignified. Dijon Mustard! Bill Ayers! Teleprompter! Kenya!

Posted by: MattF on November 2, 2009 at 8:37 AM | PERMALINK

Mr. Limbaugh said on "Fox News Sunday." ... "I think he's got an out-of-this-world ego. He's very narcissistic.

LOL. Good one, Rush, you tell 'em.

Meanwhile, somewhere out there, another dittohead spontaneously imploded due to cognitive dissonance overload.

Posted by: about time on November 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM | PERMALINK

People that claim to have "talent on loan from God" shouldn't accuse others of narcissism/egotism. Just sayin'.

Posted by: raff on November 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM | PERMALINK

raff: beat me to it.

Posted by: Seth Gordon on November 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM | PERMALINK

Limbaugh's comments are additional proof that EVERYTHING the President does can, in the dream world of right-wing crazies, be subjected to hypocritical criticism.

Remember how Obama was criticized for apparently not saluting the flag, or during the playing of the National Anthem. If he were to be publicly photographed now saluting the flag, Limbaugh, Beck and other hypocrites would probably criticize him for doing so.

Don't waste too much time or too many bytes on these guys. Just give us the historical context, as you did with the reference to Reagan, with which to bludgeon their ditto heads locally.

Posted by: Doran on November 2, 2009 at 8:59 AM | PERMALINK

Rush calling someone narcissistic? How rich is that irony?

Posted by: Stetson Kennedy on November 2, 2009 at 9:03 AM | PERMALINK

"... this whole Afghanistan dithering situation..."

"Dithering"? Hmm what other vile hatemonger has also coined "dithering" recently? Dick something-or-other? If nothing else, kudos to Cheney & Limbaugh for re-introducing an antiquated, nearly dead word back into the public lexicon.

Posted by: raff on November 2, 2009 at 9:11 AM | PERMALINK

Everyone knows that the only "true" patriots in this country are the Repugs. Just ask anyone. They are just so full of shit.

Posted by: chris on November 2, 2009 at 9:13 AM | PERMALINK

The right has been using the "narcissistic" since the campaign and it is nothing more then a dog whistle way to call Obama "uppity".

Posted by: Napoleon on November 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM | PERMALINK

Cheney and Limbaugh use their megaphones to damage the families and loved ones of our fallen soldiers. These two represent the repugnant, the cynical, the unAmerican! -Kevo

Posted by: kevo on November 2, 2009 at 9:24 AM | PERMALINK

'Dithering' is routinely used in remote sensing and other forms of data collection and analysis. It's a mathematical process to smooth out 'anomalies' in the graphical analysis and depiction of data.

It's easy to tell the origins of where chairman Cheney got the word and added it to his vocabulary sometime back in the 80s.

Posted by: anomaly on November 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM | PERMALINK

When Robert Gibbs is asked about Limbaugh's comments, I would love to hear him say:

The President is self-confident, but I wouldn't call him narcissistic. At least he doesn't have to make up for his inadequacies by giving his weekly address from behind a large, gold-plated microphone.


Posted by: SteveT on November 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

Does it matter whether it is true? All most people in the US are going to remember is a sensation of criticism that remains unanswered or analyzed by the medium from which they get their "news." "News" being the opiniontainment that the corporate controllers of the major media outlets (and that includes NPR) continually pour into the eyes and ears of their subjects.
What they hope the constant unanswered and unchallenged diatribes will translate into eventually is a sense of unease with BO -- a loss of confidence and loss of votes. Of course, he's helping them by not taking stronger stands on various issues and being "Bush lite" in foreing policy.

Posted by: GReg Worley on November 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM | PERMALINK

Until and unless Obama comes out swinging on behalf of the public option, he's own his own with respect to the Dover visit so far as I am concerned.

BTW: Glenn Greenwald has posted a series of articles in Salon about how Obama is welshing on various civil liberties issues. And Tim Geitner's economic policies are far too cozy for Wall St.

Posted by: Duncan Kinder on November 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM | PERMALINK

Mega meh.

Posted by: NHCt on November 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM | PERMALINK

Rush Limbaugh cannot be truly 'narcissist' because if he peered into a smooth clear stream to see his own image, the water would instantly cloud and winds would roughen the surface. Yep, cloudy and rough to match his thought process.

Posted by: anomaly on November 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

What a shock, Glenn Greenwald is terribly disappointed by other people's lamentable tendency not to be Glenn Greenwald.

Posted by: FlipYrWhig on November 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM | PERMALINK

Well, there they go again.

No matter what Obama does, those who hate him will find something to criticize. If from here on out he only did things that Ronald Reagan did he'd be criticized for it. Especially if he did things that Reagan actually did, since you know, the wingers don't remember what Reagan actually did.

Hate. It's a terrible thing.

So a president takes seriously the sacrifices others make. Shame on him.

A president wants to take time to make a decision which will affect lives and put lives in harm's way and some of those lives will be lost. How dare he take time to make such a decision?

A president sees that there are citizens of this great nation that do not get health care and he wants to address that. How dare he propose socialism?

I could write a book. But thankfully folks like Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter have done it for me so I don't have to. Unfortunately they are serious, I'm being ironic.

Keep on keepin' on Mr. President. You're doing what we elected you to do. Thank you.

Posted by: nerd on November 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM | PERMALINK

If Rushid Al-Imbau ever came across detailed accounts, he would find a way to criticize Obama for the way he takes a leak. And claim it posed a dire threat to the country.

Posted by: Tim H on November 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM | PERMALINK

The visit to Dover provided Obama with a harsh reality check.

What are our soldier's dying for? How many more need to be brain-damaged, unable to function as normal humans?

We are losing the war against extremists all over the planet for the simple reason that armies and navies cannot quell hatred, bitterness, or fanaticism.

Obama is not dithering, he's grappling with the waste of lives that
we have committed ourselves in Iraqistan.

Do we really need these wars?

Haven't we been sent the message that we are occupiers?

Perpetuawar= endless sorrow for 1,000s of US families.

For what? Oil? Killing for the sake of killing? What is the mission? What defines victory?

Posted by: Tom Nicholson on November 2, 2009 at 9:57 AM | PERMALINK

Wouldn't it be better to ignore Limbaugh et al? Stop taking the bait. If asked, Gibbs should say "who?" - Seriously. Why even acknowledge this idiocy.

Posted by: Mimi on November 2, 2009 at 9:58 AM | PERMALINK

The guy who calls his radio production company Excellence In Broadcasting is accusing Obama of narcissism. Keep flinging your poo Rush. After all, it doesn't all have to stick, right?

Posted by: slappy magoo on November 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM | PERMALINK

Tom Nicholson said:
Obama is not dithering, he's grappling with the waste of lives that we have committed ourselves in Iraqistan . . . . For what? Oil? Killing for the sake of killing? What is the mission? What defines victory?

Lydon Johnson continued and expanded the Vietnam War long after it became clear that we couldn't win, because he didn't want to be the first U.S. President to lose a war.

Now in Afghanistan we're once again in a war we can't win, propping up a corrupt, illegitimate government. I worry that we'll stay there because another president doesn't want to be accused of losing a war.


Posted by: SteveT on November 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM | PERMALINK

Blowhard Limbaugh on "Fox News Sunday"? Er, I thought they do not promote opinions on their news hours? Shouldn't he have been on blowhard Becks show?

Posted by: Dave on November 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM | PERMALINK

When I hear democratic politicians dismiss Rush as "just an entertainer", it makes me wonder why they do that. In what way does Rush's trafficing in hate and piggybacking it on fear mongering fall under the rubric of entertainment?

Posted by: sparrow on November 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM | PERMALINK

What a shock, Glenn Greenwald is terribly disappointed by other people's lamentable tendency not to be Glenn Greenwald.

I take it you concede that what Greenwald is saying is true?

BTW: I don't care whether you agree with me or with Greenwald. On the basis of your comment, I have written you off.

Rather, I question - seriously - what motivates liberals automatically to leap to Obama's defense merely because Rush has said something nasty about him.

Obama rewards liberals for this by his continuing to court Olympia Snowe, etc.

I don't like Rush either; but part of that means I don't let Rush set my agenda.


Posted by: Duncan Kinder on November 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM | PERMALINK

I wonder if any of these asshats that are criticizing the president for paying respect to our fallen heroes ever stops to *think* (I know, stop laughing) about the feelings of the families of these men and women who were met by Obama at Dover. I especially wonder about the family that allowed the arrival of his casket to be filmed.

Rush, Lizzie C, et al are neither patriotic nor humans with consciences.

Posted by: Hannah on November 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM | PERMALINK

"Rather, I question - seriously - what motivates liberals automatically to leap to Obama's defense merely because Rush has said something nasty about him."

Because we live in the real world. We've picked our side and we fight against our enemies on the other side, no matter our internal disputes.

What do you propose we do when our enemies attack?

Posted by: Cash on November 2, 2009 at 11:14 AM | PERMALINK

Rather, I question - seriously - what motivates liberals automatically to leap to Obama's defense merely because Rush has said something nasty about him.

I question, seriously, what motivates self-styled lefty gadflies to hop up and down in outrage over everything all the time, and automatically to leap to criticize Obama because it feels righteously delicious.

(Actually when Greenwald is being a single-issue civil libertarian I find him kind of annoying in style... but principled and thoughtful. It's his belief in Obama's secret perfidy on health care that has me lowering him a peg, along with Hamsher, Sirota, and Aravosis [would that there were a peg low enough]. There's 'speaking truth to power' and then there's just being a dick.)

Posted by: FlipYrWhig on November 2, 2009 at 11:30 AM | PERMALINK

Until and unless Obama comes out swinging on behalf of the public option, he's own his own with respect to the Dover visit so far as I am concerned.

Organizing for America had over 300,000 people call Congress to demand healthcare reform. I get an e-mail from them pretty much every single day telling me actions I can take to pressure Congress to pass it. Maybe you should get involved in some actual activism instead of spending your time bitching and moaning on the internet about what other people aren't doing on your behalf.

I'm sorry that Obama is not acting like the king you want and forcing half-baked laws through like the last guy did, but that kind of imperial presidency is what I voted against last November. He is not an emperor. He is not a kaiser. He is the president, and his powers are -- and should be -- limited.

Posted by: Mnemosyne on November 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM | PERMALINK

"I think he's got an out-of-this-world ego. He's very narcissistic. And he's able to focus all attention on him all the time," he said.

Irony alert: Rush Limbaugh said that referring to someone else.

Posted by: Gregory on November 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM | PERMALINK

"I think he's got an out-of-this-world ego. He's very narcissistic. And he's able to focus all attention on him all the time,"

Project much, Rush?

Seriously, as somone who tunes into Rush every once in a while, it's amazing that someone who is the very definition of narcassastic personality disorder keeps accusing Obama of being egotisitical and arrogant. This is coming from someone who has spent 15 hours a week for over 20 years talking to himself on the radio???

Posted by: zoe kentucky on November 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM | PERMALINK

Maybe you should get involved in some actual activism instead of spending your time bitching and moaning on the internet about what other people aren't doing on your behalf.

FYI: I have called both my senators and congressmen on numerous occasions. Not that I owe you any accounting or explanations with respect to that.

If you were as serious about I'm sorry that Obama is not acting like the king you want and forcing half-baked laws through like the last guy did, but that kind of imperial presidency is what I voted against last November. He is not an emperor. He is not a kaiser. He is the president, and his powers are -- and should be -- limited.then you would be taking Greenwald's criticisms of him more seriously. But apparently you do not.

Posted by: Duncan Kinder on November 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM | PERMALINK

"I think he's got an out-of-this-world ego. He's very narcissistic. And he's able to focus all attention on him all the time," he said.

Limbaugh would certainly be the designated expert on all of this.

Posted by: TCinLA on November 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM | PERMALINK

Photo op? Remember two words, "Mission Accomplished".

Posted by: ComradeAnon on November 2, 2009 at 1:12 PM | PERMALINK

Cheney and Limbaugh are just repugnant, who cares what they say.

Posted by: Montana on November 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM | PERMALINK
Rather, I question - seriously - what motivates liberals automatically to leap to Obama's defense merely because Rush has said something nasty about him.

Well, personally, I leap to anyone's defense when someone blatantly lies about him and his actions. What would you have me do instead?

Posted by: PaulB on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM | PERMALINK

Well, personally, I leap to anyone's defense when someone blatantly lies about him and his actions. What would you have me do instead


Then you must do a lot of leaping.

But here's the latest headline article from Huffington Post:
Maria Cantwell: I'm "Not Sure" Why Geithner Still Has Job (VIDEO):

"I'm not sure," Cantwell responded, "because David Gregory had him almost -- trying to get a straight answer out of him. What the Treasury Secretary basically said was, yes, banks should take more risks and we should continue the loopholes and that is really appalling because, right now, we know that lack of transparency has caused this problem with the U.S. economy and Wall Street is continuing, one year later, continuing the same kind of loopholes. And so if the Treasury Secretary doesn't come down hard against these loopholes and advocate for closing them, then we're going to have a tough time closing them in Congress. So the Treasury Secretary is dodging the issue."

Now let's get real. This pro-Wall Street stuff is Obama. And when you leap around defending Obama, this is what you are defending.

Posted by: Duncan Kinder on November 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM | PERMALINK

"That these so-called patriots think there's now something wrong with that tells you everything you need to know about their sincerity."

Exactlly. Well said.

Posted by: Marnie on November 2, 2009 at 8:45 PM | PERMALINK
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